Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

[Vall]

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Technically this would be a meritocracy, not a democracy.

Aside from that, I'm ultimately not too surprised by the result, though I would've thought action would've been taken in the end. Now I think the most important thing is to take action against some of the worst offenders in the tier to start stabilising the Meta - mons like Chi-yu & Ape.

 

[the best worst]

however, I consider it uncompetitive because it can effectively mean a team of 6 is fighting against a team of 7 or 8.

I feel like in theory you’re playing 6v7 but since the revival blessing users aren’t the best and it respawns at half hp, it’s fine

 

[tr8orsrequiem]

shame tera wasn't restricted in any way- it's clearly unhealthy the way it is now, even if i don't think it's as unhealthy as other presences in the meta. oh well, at least now we can finally get to banning chi yu and potentially ape.

 

[jackuzzler]

I think that a big reason it wasn't majority action is because people are scared to change something so major early into a meta. But it does make it frustrating knowing we could have acted on Chi-yu/ape/cyclizar etc before this suspect that ultimately changed nothing. I think another suspect after Home could result in action.

 

[Cheryl.]

Hey, at least Chi-Yu's getting banned... sigh...

 

[Herv]

bbeeaa Star Faites quelque chose je vous en supplie

 

[yNot Mence]

Terastallization remains fully legal in Scarlet & Violet Overused!

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-1-voting.3713751/#post-9457245

59.26% bruh, this gotta be the closest shit ever. Well whatever, I was hoping for the reveal during team preview but I'm okay with the current status quo. Except for Chi-Yu and Chien-Pao. Those things are broken.

 

[zyzzyva]

As Finch said in the announcement, had Action been taken it would have just been Tera Team Preview. As a No Action voter myself, I wouldn't have minded that at all--frankly, I don't think it would have changed much of anything. But I'll enjoy this victory nonetheless. Looking forward to what the OU Council cooks up now regarding Bans and Suspects since as we all know, there are a lot of unbalanced elements of the meta game that have outstayed their welcome thanks to the Tera suspect.

 

[Garrett]

I cannot wait for half the SPL signups for SV OU to magically disappear. Anyways, the decision is ultimately whatever to me. I've been disappointed with tiering results before but I always refuse to get reqs, so that's on me. Chi-Yu should be gone immediately since we don't have a new metagame to pretend would influence Chi-Yu's (soon-to-be lack of a) place in OU.

 

[SinnohEevee]

Should have probably been a supermajority of 55%.
And I do believe we need to show Tera Types at team preview, especially since that's what the VGC forces you to do.

 

[Low-Key]

59.26% bruh, this gotta be the closest shit ever. Well whatever, I was hoping for the reveal during team preview but I'm okay with the current status quo. Except for Chi-Yu and Chien-Pao. Those things are broken.

I consider Chi-Yu to be far more broken than Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu practically kills everything in its hindsight. It is still manageable sure but it is actually very difficult to even try that. Don't think about it #BanChiYu

 

[Karmagisax]

Why do they listen to the fcking 40% that wanna keep it..? Its so close they shouldve just ban/restricted it. Anyways, no reason to keep up with SV OU anymore. Gotta play Old Gen OU until Gen 10 comes out ig

 

[Kyo]

I personally am in favor of whichever decision makes the most people immediately mald post in the metagame discussion thread

 

[VTMagno]

can we at least get a chi yu qb please

 

[alephgalactus]

So over 200 voters supported action on Tera and found out that their votes didn’t count because their voices were drowned out by a vocal minority, and now competitive is dead until the Council decides to retest it. Perhaps it’s time to make our voices known through more effective means. I suggest that anyone who voted for tiering action should boycott OU until a retest happens. The meta isn’t worth playing in its current state anyway, so you won’t lose anything of value by not playing it.

 

[Critaquil]

Should have probably been a supermajority of 55%.
And I do believe we need to show Tera Types at team preview, especially since that's what the VGC forces you to do.

vgc only makes you do this for tournaments, on ladder its still hidden tera types, + this was only done to minimalize the benefit of scouting your opps team to cteam them

 

[yNot Mence]

I consider Chi-Yu to be far more broken than Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu practically kills everything in its hindsight. It is still manageable sure but it is actually very difficult to even try that. Don't think about it #BanChiYu

I absolutely agree, Chi-Yu is definitely the most problematic thing in the current metagame by a mile. But lately I've been noticing how strong Terastallized Banded Chien-Pao is, and considering how popular this set is getting I wouldn't be surprised if people started calling for it to get banned as well. Those two and Rage Fist are the only bans I really support right now.

 

[nimzowitsch]

I voted for Action but I can also understand the arguments of people that want to keep Tera intact in its full form. There's artistry and creativity in how Scarlet and Violet's generational gimmick can be applied both in teambuilder and in battle. The result is what it is, and I think we should focus on moving forward and trying to create the most competitive metagame possible. Let's get Chi-Yu out of here ASAP and maybe start suspecting some problematic mons (Annihilape comes to mind) in the coming weeks. I think the pro-Action people will be a lot happier if the best Tera abusers were dealt with. I think a big part of why many want to restrict Tera are the Tera users themselves. Tera is nowhere as overbearing in UU as it is in OU.

 

[alephgalactus]

Cry some more dude!

You’re called the “No Action” camp for a reason

 

[gabraltar]

So over 200 voters supported action on Tera and found out that their votes didn’t count because their voices were drowned out by a vocal minority, and now competitive is dead until the Council decides to retest it. Perhaps it’s time to make our voices known through more effective means. I suggest that anyone who voted for tiering action should boycott OU until a retest happens. The meta isn’t worth playing in its current state anyway, so you won’t lose anything of value by not playing it.

"boycott ou" yeah like that's gonna happen lol

 

[Arcticblast]

I diagnose the Tera haters with an acute case of skill issue

Should have probably been a supermajority of 55%.
And I do believe we need to show Tera Types at team preview, especially since that's what the VGC forces you to do.

VGC is open team sheet for tournaments because there’s currently no way in game to lock a battle box. Were that function in the game, I don’t think tournaments would be open team sheet.

 

[LORD SAGIS]

So over 200 voters supported action on Tera and found out that their votes didn’t count because their voices were drowned out by a vocal minority, and now competitive is dead until the Council decides to retest it. Perhaps it’s time to make our voices known through more effective means. I suggest that anyone who voted for tiering action should boycott OU until a retest happens. The meta isn’t worth playing in its current state anyway, so you won’t lose anything of value by not playing it.

Go ahead then

Edit: I'm personally happy that Smogon is taking the risk and moving foward with this mechanic and hope the council takes this vote to heart.

 

[Nyurgh555]

You’re called the “No Action” camp for a reason

It's not like Tera was magically going to be banned if 1% more voted for action. Tera preview is the least obstructive of the options, which shows a genuine sentiment that players believe that it's too soon to ban the mechanic outright.

 

[Excalibuwrath]

I'm actually pretty curious about the "on the radar" section now (assuming Chi-Yu gets quickbanned). I assume Ape is the next thing to get looked at, but after that, there are so many directions to go, so many things that are at least a little bit of a problem. I'd probably put Chien-Pao (gen 8 Weavile but stronger) and Volcarona (a 6-0 machine that basically forces Skeledirge, Clodsire or CM Blissey) as my personal priorities, but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for putting Cyclizar as their highest priority.

 

[Melbelle]

And I do believe we need to show Tera Types at team preview, especially since that's what the VGC forces you to do.

so true ou also needs no sleep clause, item clause, legendaries like moltres banned, and levels limited to 50
/s