Resource SV OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers Thread

[sims796]

Not really, there's niche options like Clef or Jirachi but Clef loses a lot of utility by running wish tect and Jirachi is not really used. you seem to be leaning towards bulky offense with Scizor and Rotom W, given that they don't have recovery, but bulky offense doesn't usually fit wish pass. bulky offense prefers a faster tempo to pressure the opponent and wish passing gives up a lot of momentum. if you would like a form of healing for your team, you could consider healing wish. it doesn't give up much momentum and it lets you completely restore one of your mons, so it's usually a better fit than wish pass. of course this is just advice, you could make a bulky offense team that really focuses on the bulky aspect.

I was shooting more for balance (hazard stack volt turn), but I admit i cant tell the difference between the two playstyes. I wanted to give Pain Split Rotom a try s I keep momentum flowing

 

[Eeveeto]

Ok, another question, thanks for the excellent answers (gonna go AV on it). I want to utilize Rotom in some fashion, and unless a case can be made for the other forms I'll most likely be using Wash. That means I problems won't use Alo.

Is there any other Wishpasser worth their salt that isn't Alo?

During Wcop, I didn't end up playing SV OU, but got to build. The 3 Wishers that I managed to make kind of work are:
-Pdef Rocky Helmet with Wish, Morning Sun, Psychic Noise, Copycat Espeon with Tera Bug. Most of the time is not an actual passer, but Copycat sometimes does allow to pivot. The main feature though is Magic Bounce. Espeon can deny Hazards against many Mons and also do funny stuff with Copycat like a Ruination to a Ting Lu (who never 2HKOs with EQ even when no Tera, unless it's offensive of course).
-Also Pdef Rocky Helmet Illumise with Wish, Roost, Encore and U-Turn, Tera Ghost (Extreme Speed immunity). Pure Bug allows Illumise to easily switch into most Tusks and Zamazentas, among other things. Prankster Encore sabotages all non-Dark set-up and when Illumise is about to die, it can still use one last priority Wish.
-Offensive Latias with Wish, Roost, Ice Beam and Aura Sphere, still Rocky Helmet (goated item) and Tera Steel. Levitate + Tera Steel is an amazing combo that allows to wall big threats, like Glimmora, Kyurem, Gliscor and most Enamorus. Since it's the anti-Gliscor, Ice Beam (pre-Tera) and Aura Sphere (post Tera) are the offensive moves, I wish Latias got Psychic Noise vs slower teams, but only Latios gets it unfortunately.

All of these 3 Mons appear on this Savouras post about our Wcop teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...-2025-sv-ou-discussion.3764281/#post-10630984

They are all niche, but serve their purpose. Alomomola does not pair well with both Scarf Samurott and AV Primarina, since they are all Water types. That is a problem for the Water starters, since they are both trading usually (killing one opponent at the expense of their own HP). Alternative Wishers solve this by allowing them to stick around longer. AV Okidogi also likes Wish, because like Primarina, he is a trader in most match-ups.

Basically, if you cover Waterpon well and don't need offensive Waters yourself, use Alomomola, it's a proven Mon, easy to use and works. Otherwise, there are alternative Wishers that can do the job better.

 

[treeshhhh]

Coming back to OU after a while (like 6 months).
Few questions. Why are people saying dnite is broken now (its always been in the tier and while espeed was annoying iirc it wasnt a very big problem)? Also I sorta get gweez but why is TORNADUS in OU? More specifically what sets allowed these 2 to rise? Also smaller explanations on scizor, pecha, deoxys, heatran would be appreciated.

 

[1LDK]

Why are people saying dnite is broken now

A lot more sets have been explored and use, a lot of users express discomfort regarding set variety, the biggest innovations have been regarding Encore and Tera Blast

Encore always gets ran with Jolly, to maximize the amount of things you can maximize the things you encore, allowing you to get to +2 easily
Tera Blast, on the other hand, lets you have Flying STAB, and there's surprisingly few physical fly resists, so having this option is cool, but the most common one is fairy, this is because you know take enemy dragons, and escape the ice weakness, especially considering Great Tusk frequently uses Ice Spinner and Zamazenta sometimes uses Ice Fang for dragonite and gliscor. Then, you add more unorthodox sets like tera ground earthquake + stone edge to bait and KO moltres and raging bolt, tera fire + fire punch for corviknight and skarmory, the usual tera normal extreme speed, moves like roost. And with double removal support, you can include items like the tablets for more tblast damage, covert cloak for garganacl, leftovers for easier multiscale recovery, loaded dice for scale shot fun. And you can see why people have troubles with it.

People who argue against dragonite ban will argue that dragonite cannot do all these things at once, and that, being able to check its set early on based on educated guesses + plays made in the game, damage calc and hazard damage can help in guessing the set and act accordingly. While also being not instantly threatening due to its rather low speed

Also I sorta get gweez

defog against dengo :thumbsup:

Weezing-Galar @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Neutralizing Gas
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpA
Bold Nature
- Strange Steam
- Defog
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp

but why is TORNADUS in OU? More specifically what sets allowed these 2 to rise?

It is a dedicated balance breaker that basically vaporizes all defense either by Knock Off + U-turn or by Nasty Plot + 3 attacks, some people like to use AV on double removal teams alongside partners like Hatterene, Cinderace or Great Tusk, that allows it to take extra hits and retaliate

scizor

CB Bullet Punch is good vs cheese mons like Kyurem, Enamorus and Iron Valiant

pecha

The best Zamazenta check in the tier, zamazenta cannot break unless multiple crunch defense drops, this is also a decent ogerpon-w check, dnite check and spin blocker since it can potentially outspeed tusk, or tank a headlong rush, busted pivot move with parting shot, reliable recovery, broken ass Malignant Chain. Tera dark with Foul Play to deny physical sweepers, and this thing has Nasty Plot too for some reason

deoxys

fastest mon in the tier and has a shit ton of moves and sets

heatran

Stealth Rock user that beats Galarian Weezing, Corviknight and Cinderace 1v1

 

[treeshhhh]

defog against dengo :thumbsup:

0 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar: 440-522 (131.7 - 156.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
are people not using mir ghold anymore or smth?

anyway thats about the only question i have thanks for answering

 

[Heatraneater]

0 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar: 440-522 (131.7 - 156.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
are people not using mir ghold anymore or smth?

anyway thats about the only question i have thanks for answering

While geezing can't directly switch into it, neutralising gas means that defog cannot be blocked by gholdengo, which is something other defoggers like corviknight cannot do. Geezing also shuts down gliscor really hard as even if it has earthquake (and a good amount do not), then it's not getting it's poison healing. It also means you can wisp Garg, stop regen on mola/glowking and lots of other neat tricks like being able to set up tspikes against hatt (though that is rarer).

 

[Soiramio3000]

how exactly does the viability system work?
who decides which pokemon are viable or niche and which are neither?
what do the rules say about who can suggest and who can't suggest a change.


no I don't have any suggestions for any changes, I am just asking out of curiosity.
it is weird that one guy managed to make it number 2 on the ladder one time with probopass yet probopass never made it to the lowest tiers of the viability list.

 

[veti]

how exactly does the viability system work?

Everyone on the VR council can vote on what rank they want a mon to be, and then it gets averaged.

who decides which pokemon are viable or niche and which are neither?

VR council, at the top of the VR thread

what do the rules say about who can suggest and who can't suggest a change.

Anyone can suggest in the thread

it is weird that one guy managed to make it number 2 on the ladder one time with probopass yet probopass never made it to the lowest tiers of the viability list.

Ladder results are pretty meaningless and Probopass is not a Pokemon you're going to be consistently winning with at a high level, if every pokemon that could get high ladder was on the VR then everything would be on the VR, even stuff like Flittle and Pikachu

 

[56NIGHTS]

Hi everyone! I'm pretty new to learning competitive battling and I made this team that I've been laddering with. I've watched alot of Blunder and Aim's videos so I've gotten to see what mons are meta.

I wanted to get some feedback from more experienced players on what the team needs to improve. Banded Tusk puts in that work but I've struggled with Samurott-Hisui leads... can't expect myself get the lead matchup right every time lol.

Looking forward to hearing what better players think, and getting more ingrained in the community here!