why is ursaluna B? is it really as bad as some people make it out to be? why is torn-t B+?
just cause I haven't seen anyone else ask, why did corv make it into B+ when it can't defog on things anymore thanks to ghold
regarding Ursaluna: While yes, it does have good damage output and bulk, it needs way too much support from its team and lacks durability due to having to be burned and not having a recovery movewhy is ursaluna B? is it really as bad as some people make it out to be? why is torn-t B+?
This is a solid starting list. Certainly matches my play experience 99% thus far.
I do find Gliscor being alone in S tier is a stretch. I’d argue there is no way it is more splashable than Gambit. I think Gambit is easier to fit on teams, meta defining, and more useful overall than Gliscor.
Gambit alone in S. Gliscor can join his criminal friend Dhengo in S-.
Basically yes it’s the only way to hazard remove in front of a ghold also it’s just better dragon danceIs Maushold B- rank becaus of tidy up?
Using weavile is kinda cooking and three results doesn’t equal an aI would like to discuss about a forgotten OG that, in my opinion, is CRIMINALLY underrated in the current meta:
This boi over hereB --> A
Now when it lost knock off it obviously was a RUBL mon, there was no way this thing could be relevant with a 70 base power dark STAB. Now weavile got knock off back and let me tell you that saying I'm having success with it would be an understatement. On The ladder I am about 3 standard deviations above my mean (considering the logarithmic scale of the ladder). For the first time ever I am above 1900 and this statistically abnormal massive increase in elo happened exactly when I introduced weavile in my team (pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/dfd52976c2ab0852).
To complete the team I tried a number of fast hard hitting mons as this was the role I felt I needed to fill somehow. Among my experiments I tested some of the strongest folks including:,or. I got decent results but nothing spectacular. With some of them I was able to get slightly better results but never anything close to the jump weavile allowed me to do. I'm gonna be 100% honest: I think it has little to nothing to do with my quality of plays, it's just that weavile is THAT good in the current meta.
Reasoning:
I) Power: In most of my matchups on the high ladder I feel like weavile just has little to no switchins. Seriously Dark/Ice STAB is incredibly tough to deal with. Furthermore weavile got access to lowkick making it able to OKHOand deal massive damage to mons that wall ice/dark that you can occasionally see like. Now think about it: what OU mon is switching to band weavile? Other than corv there isn't really anything that can switch in without being severely punished.can take hits very well from but it is going to lose heavy-duty-boots which is a huge loss for that mon.
II) Speed: Weavile speed tier has not been powercrept this gen. 125 base speed remains insanely good even in gen 9 as the faster mons were (rightfully) banned. Weavile also got access to a great priority that massively helps to deal with its speed rivaland finish weakened booster ,. These are the only faster mons than weavile and they have a very bad time taking its hits. Furthermore a popular strong priority userhappens to be weak to ice shard and will be unable in most cases to use its own priority, being KOed before it can do anything else. The speed and priority make weavile arguably one of the best late game cleaners of the current OU metagame. Weavile speed combined with its power also create very nice situations like being able to OKHO with a high chancewith a band knock off (over 100% chance with tera dark). This can of course be extremely useful if you have an hazard intesive team.
Flaws: Weavile has no forms of bulk. Furthermore Ice/Dark is as good offensively as it is terrible defensively. Tons of weaknesses and hazards absolutely ruin your day, especially in this meta hazard weakness is deffinitely a limiting factor. The only good defensive property of weavile is that it is able to not get folded in half by a kingambit sucker punch, which is something interesting that can be useful but lets be honest: bro is made out of paper.
Considering the pros and cons I think weavile should at least get to A- tier. Considering my experience I would even propose A tier but I'm certainly biased towards it. Still looking at it objectively I think it is better than some of the folks that are in A- tier.
Below you can find some screenshots of recent matches were weavile was absolutely essential to the vicotry, most of the times it fills the role of late game cleaner. You can see it standing proudly in front of the teams he knock offed/ice sharded to oblivion:
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I suggest Shaymin goes into C tier
I second as wellI second this notion I tried it it genuinely isn't terrible
I would like to discuss about a forgotten OG that, in my opinion, is CRIMINALLY underrated in the current meta:
This boi over hereB --> A
Now when it lost knock off it obviously was a RUBL mon, there was no way this thing could be relevant with a 70 base power dark STAB. Now weavile got knock off back and let me tell you that saying I'm having success with it would be an understatement. On The ladder I am about 3 standard deviations above my mean (considering the logarithmic scale of the ladder). For the first time ever I am above 1900 and this statistically abnormal massive increase in elo happened exactly when I introduced weavile in my team (pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/dfd52976c2ab0852).
To complete the team I tried a number of fast hard hitting mons as this was the role I felt I needed to fill somehow. Among my experiments I tested some of the strongest folks including:,or. I got decent results but nothing spectacular. With some of them I was able to get slightly better results but never anything close to the jump weavile allowed me to do. I'm gonna be 100% honest: I think it has little to nothing to do with my quality of plays, it's just that weavile is THAT good in the current meta.
Reasoning:
I) Power: In most of my matchups on the high ladder I feel like weavile just has little to no switchins. Seriously Dark/Ice STAB is incredibly tough to deal with. Furthermore weavile got access to lowkick making it able to OKHOand deal massive damage to mons that wall ice/dark that you can occasionally see like. Now think about it: what OU mon is switching to band weavile? Other than corv there isn't really anything that can switch in without being severely punished.can take hits very well from but it is going to lose heavy-duty-boots which is a huge loss for that mon.
II) Speed: Weavile speed tier has not been powercrept this gen. 125 base speed remains insanely good even in gen 9 as the faster mons were (rightfully) banned. Weavile also got access to a great priority that massively helps to deal with its speed rivaland finish weakened booster ,. These are the only faster mons than weavile and they have a very bad time taking its hits. Furthermore a popular strong priority userhappens to be weak to ice shard and will be unable in most cases to use its own priority, being KOed before it can do anything else. The speed and priority make weavile arguably one of the best late game cleaners of the current OU metagame. Weavile speed combined with its power also create very nice situations like being able to OKHO with a high chancewith a band knock off (over 100% chance with tera dark). This can of course be extremely useful if you have an hazard intesive team.
Flaws: Weavile has no forms of bulk. Furthermore Ice/Dark is as good offensively as it is terrible defensively. Tons of weaknesses and hazards absolutely ruin your day, especially in this meta hazard weakness is deffinitely a limiting factor. The only good defensive property of weavile is that it is able to not get folded in half by a kingambit sucker punch, which is something interesting that can be useful but lets be honest: bro is made out of paper.
Considering the pros and cons I think weavile should at least get to A- tier. Considering my experience I would even propose A tier but I'm certainly biased towards it. Still looking at it objectively I think it is better than some of the folks that are in A- tier.
Below you can find some screenshots of recent matches were weavile was absolutely essential to the vicotry, most of the times it fills the role of late game cleaner. You can see it standing proudly in front of the teams he knock offed/ice sharded to oblivion:
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why is ursaluna B? is it really as bad as some people make it out to be? why is torn-t B+?
Why is Torterra ranked? Even if it does get Shell Smash it seems like it kinda can't really do much since it still get outrun by anything even remotely fast with scarf or basically any paradox mon with booster energy after a Smash unless it wants to lose a lot of power going Jolly
Greninja | S- |
Was intended to be A-; Greninja isn’t a top 5-10 Pokémon lolFinchinator i need answers regarding your vr slate
Greninja S-
it's mainly due to the extremely effective defensive core.I’m surprised you got to the 1900s with 0 Boots and your only form of hazard removal being Corv (and we all know how great Corv is as a Defogger, right?)
Just to clarify on the explanations regarding Clefable since thats already been touched on: Did I get it right that there isnt a specific Clefable set that stands out right now but its rather the mix of the plethora of sets such as magic guard + rocks or unaware set-up that justify its current ranking? Personally I feel like it gets 2hkod by a lot more stuff than it used to in past gens which makes its job a lot more difficult (eg. Moon Acrobatics, Ivy Cudgel, Gambit with a few dead allies and Unburden Sneasler even if you tera out of the stab weakness etc.)
Could you also elaborate a bit on Garganacl in B+? The utility Garg set feels kinda dead due to the prevalence of Magic Guard Clefable and Gliscsor but I feel like the setup sets might be a bit overlooked rn, since the aforementioned mons are complete set up fodder and will lose in the long run unless they run set up of their own. Garganacl kinda always gets stronger the less common it is cause fewer teams are prepared for it. Covert Cloak is basically gone and a lot less mons run Substitute nowadays than they used to during the Garg high time. This allows it to break through defensive cores while also providing an answer to stuff like Dnite, Pult, Moth unless it teras etc.
no problemAlso thanks to Finch for all the hard and thankless work so far
I've ran Weavile on similar structures, and while it is decent, I feel that CB Roaring Moon always provides more due to its better power, lack of Stealth Rock weakness and better movepool (which includes key options like U-Turn. Its certainly feels much easier to play since it has less risk in switching in due to the better bulk and taking less chip damage from hazards. It can also emergency check stuff like non-Tera Kingambit better due to the better bulk. I will admit, the Ice STAB on weavile is extremely nice. I could see a rise to B+, but A rank seems too high, especially since Roaring Moon feels drastically better than Weavile to me due to having more spots it can safely switch in.I would like to discuss about a forgotten OG that, in my opinion, is CRIMINALLY underrated in the current meta:
This boi over hereB --> A
Now when it lost knock off it obviously was a RUBL mon, there was no way this thing could be relevant with a 70 base power dark STAB. Now weavile got knock off back and let me tell you that saying I'm having success with it would be an understatement. On The ladder I am about 3 standard deviations above my mean (considering the logarithmic scale of the ladder). For the first time ever I am above 1900 and this statistically abnormal massive increase in elo happened exactly when I introduced weavile in my team (pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/dfd52976c2ab0852).
To complete the team I tried a number of fast hard hitting mons as this was the role I felt I needed to fill somehow. Among my experiments I tested some of the strongest folks including:,or. I got decent results but nothing spectacular. With some of them I was able to get slightly better results but never anything close to the jump weavile allowed me to do. I'm gonna be 100% honest: I think it has little to nothing to do with my quality of plays, it's just that weavile is THAT good in the current meta.
Reasoning:
I) Power: In most of my matchups on the high ladder I feel like weavile just has little to no switchins. Seriously Dark/Ice STAB is incredibly tough to deal with. Furthermore weavile got access to lowkick making it able to OKHOand deal massive damage to mons that wall ice/dark that you can occasionally see like. Now think about it: what OU mon is switching to band weavile? Other than corv there isn't really anything that can switch in without being severely punished.can take hits very well from but it is going to lose heavy-duty-boots which is a huge loss for that mon.
II) Speed: Weavile speed tier has not been powercrept this gen. 125 base speed remains insanely good even in gen 9 as the faster mons were (rightfully) banned. Weavile also got access to a great priority that massively helps to deal with its speed rivaland finish weakened booster ,. These are the only faster mons than weavile and they have a very bad time taking its hits. Furthermore a popular strong priority userhappens to be weak to ice shard and will be unable in most cases to use its own priority, being KOed before it can do anything else. The speed and priority make weavile arguably one of the best late game cleaners of the current OU metagame. Weavile speed combined with its power also create very nice situations like being able to OKHO with a high chancewith a band knock off (over 100% chance with tera dark). This can of course be extremely useful if you have an hazard intesive team.
Flaws: Weavile has no forms of bulk. Furthermore Ice/Dark is as good offensively as it is terrible defensively. Tons of weaknesses and hazards absolutely ruin your day, especially in this meta hazard weakness is deffinitely a limiting factor. The only good defensive property of weavile is that it is able to not get folded in half by a kingambit sucker punch, which is something interesting that can be useful but lets be honest: bro is made out of paper.
Considering the pros and cons I think weavile should at least get to A- tier. Considering my experience I would even propose A tier but I'm certainly biased towards it. Still looking at it objectively I think it is better than some of the folks that are in A- tier.
Below you can find some screenshots of recent matches were weavile was absolutely essential to the vicotry, most of the times it fills the role of late game cleaner. You can see it standing proudly in front of the teams he knock offed/ice sharded to oblivion:
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