For all you tennis fans out there this is a thing now so hooray? ig. lmao At the time I'm posting its postgame for mens semis. Idk what else now lmao. Anyways happy posting tennis fans!
WTF not true at ALL. I was watching and I agree it WAS sexist to do that and BTW I'm not a Serena fan. Unfort as well that Delpo lost. He failed to convert SO much gucci in Set 2 and went on to die in Set 3. What a sad way to end. But he IS on Peak form so we could see him continue this form no doubt.Serena and her apologists are just embarrassed that she lost to a 20 year old so they're making a huge deal out of an umpire applying the rules lmao.
Sexist to apply the rules..?WTF not true at ALL. I was watching and I agree it WAS sexist to do that and BTW I'm not a Serena fan. Unfort as well that Delpo lost. He failed to convert SO much gucci in Set 2 and went on to die in Set 3. What a sad way to end. But he IS on Peak form so we could see him continue this form no doubt.
Oof I misread. Oof. I thought you said something else that I now can't remeber. I'm bad.Sexist to apply the rules..?
yeah when is the last time you saw a player get penalized for coaching at any level in tennis, lmao, good luck digging up an incident. also osaka's coach was coaching her every point, she looked up at him before and after every point. shes fucking 20, she should be allowed to imo.Serena and her apologists are just embarrassed that she lost to a 20 year old so they're making a huge deal out of an umpire applying the rules lmao.
You do realise that was her third strike? They were past the warning stage.yeah when is the last time you saw a player get penalized for coaching at any level in tennis, lmao, good luck digging up an incident. also osaka's coach was coaching her every point, she looked up at him before and after every point. shes fucking 20, she should be allowed to imo.
and then you have every male (and female) pro tennis player coming out and siding with serena and being like 'I've said way worse shit and just gotten the warning'
im 100% certain ppl posting about the rules being applied have never played professional racquet sports, have never refed a game between professionals, but have a hard-on for a story about an angry black woman. Ironically, after her victory, presumably Osaka's 'fans', changed her ancestry on wikipedia to erase her Haitian descent.
I'm no serena apologist, I just dont put my head up my ass for the thrill of it.
I'm 100% certain that nobody is more qualified to call out incessant whining than regular posters on a forum home to overly competitive manbabies who can't stand losing at a competitive children's game.im 100% certain ppl posting about the rules being applied have never played professional racquet sports, have never refed a game between professionals, but have a hard-on for a story about an angry black woman.
Yeah statiscally it isn't true apparently. BTW Davis Cup America vs Croatia doubles was fire. All played extremely well and if Croatia kept up a bit more momentum in the last set it coulda gone either way
Dunno about the coaching but racquet abuse itself can cause harm to players, officials, spectators and even courts. It also can lead to time delays and is just poor sportsmanship.Serena was in the wrong just as everyone else who abuses match officials or breaks their racket is wrong whether or not they are punished. Regardless of other examples in which similar incidents were punished or not, that sort of behavior shouldn't be acceptable from anyone. It's tiring how accepted it is in sports in general where everyone thinks it's ok to shout and abuse refs when things don't go their way. I guess it's entertainment or something but I think it sets a really bad example where everyone thinks it's ok to do that at all levels of play (which it's not and shouldn't be, obviously).
I think the entirety of the issue stemmed from a lack of communication. From what I've read and heard, it seems like Serena probably didn't know she had received the first code violation? Ramos could've have done a lot better job of making sure she understood she had a violation, which likely would've prevented the entirety of the episode. Good refereeing involves making sure you are understood and it seems like that was lacking wrt Serena, which is a shame, because it took the spotlight away from the tennis on a great final and incredible moment for Osaka.
Frankly, I don't really understand the "no coaching" rule (or why you can't smash your racket for that matter???) but I guess that's a tennis thing.
No, a large contingent of both fans and players need to realize that the rules don't just magically stop existing for situations of some arbitrarily high level of importance or players of some arbitrarily high level of fame.rule one of reffing is you definitely don't make match-shifting calls like that in big games
when the rules aren't actually enforced with consistency as many people throughout the tennis world have admitted outright this notion of hiding behind "following the rules" rings hollow, especially in the case of the game point penalty where the rule he was judging on is by nature discretionary and it's not like he's calling a ball in vs. out. i don't think it's at all unreasonable to say that in such instances a ref should use better judgment and not rush to insert themselves into a match, particularly given that players are always going to be energized at big moments. it'd be one thing if she was doing something meant to negatively affect her opponent or she'd been threatening him or even swearing at him but by no means was her calling him a thief worthy of a game point infraction, and acting as though reffing can occur, has ever occurred, or should ever occur in any sport without attention to these realities makes no sense.No, a large contingent of both fans and players need to realize that the rules don't just magically stop existing for situations of some arbitrarily high level of importance or players of some arbitrarily high level of fame.
Just so you do know, the umpire in question has always been consistent like this, and is known for handing out penalties (though other umpires seem not to want to).when the rules aren't actually enforced with consistency as many people throughout the tennis world have admitted outright this notion of hiding behind "following the rules" rings hollow, especially in the case of the game point penalty where the rule he was judging on is by nature discretionary and it's not like he's calling a ball in vs. out. i don't think it's at all unreasonable to say that in such instances a ref should use better judgment and not rush to insert themselves into a match, particularly given that players are always going to be energized at big moments. it'd be one thing if she was doing something meant to negatively affect her opponent or she'd been threatening him or even swearing at him but by no means was her calling him a thief worthy of a game point infraction, and acting as though reffing can occur, has ever occurred, or should ever occur in any sport without attention to these realities makes no sense.
all that said, i'm more interested in talking about what's actually occurring at this very moment than rehashing the talking points of an already stale match so i'll stop there. if anyone knows the best sites and twitter accounts for wta/general tennis coverage please hit me up. really need more than the articles on the wta website :( also lmk if you have a bootleg stream for this osaka v. pliskova game because i'm not tryna catch the post-game highlights on youtube. also realized one other thing i forgot to give props to which is all the low key celeb sightings in the stands at the us open. when i saw the camera pan over anna wintour during one match i was shook.
in speaking of consistency i wasn't speaking to ramos's personal record but to a general pattern in the tennis world. i've read plenty about him though, none of which has changed my mind about the call being a mistake, though it sounds like i wouldn't like his reffing style generallyJust so you do know, the umpire in question has always been consistent like this, and is known for handing out penalties (though other umpires seem not to want to).
So the solution to the lack of consistency is...more inconsistency? Abusing match officials is a penalty but only if you haven't received any previous violations and the match is in the quarterfinals of the US Open or the semifinals of Wimbledon. Etc. I think you can see the problem with what you're essentially suggesting. Serena received a game point penalty because she broke the rules twice prior. It is not the onus of the referee to police players and let them know they are toeing the line (especially in the professional setting where the players should know the penalties!!!) You are right that the game is not about the referee, but at the same time, that doesn't mean the players have the liberty to act out of control simply because they are playing an important match. What you are suggesting only further makes inconsistent the enforcement of the rules. Should the rules themselves be different? Probably (I think so). But whatever they are, they should and need to be enforced especially as the match becomes more significant.when the rules aren't actually enforced with consistency as many people throughout the tennis world have admitted outright this notion of hiding behind "following the rules" rings hollow, especially in the case of the game point penalty where the rule he was judging on is by nature discretionary and it's not like he's calling a ball in vs. out. i don't think it's at all unreasonable to say that in such instances a ref should use better judgment and not rush to insert themselves into a match, particularly given that players are always going to be energized at big moments. it'd be one thing if she was doing something meant to negatively affect her opponent or she'd been threatening him or even swearing at him but by no means was her calling him a thief worthy of a game point infraction, and acting as though reffing can occur, has ever occurred, or should ever occur in any sport without attention to these realities makes no sense.
all good, and i appreciate your post. let me try and clarify, because "Abusing match officials is a penalty but only if you haven't received any previous violations and the match is in the quarterfinals of the US Open or the semifinals of Wimbledon. Etc." is not at all what i'm suggesting.Sorry I know you aren't interested in talking about this but I want to respond to the points you make in your post(s) because I think it's an important discussion.
So the solution to the lack of consistency is...more inconsistency? Abusing match officials is a penalty but only if you haven't received any previous violations and the match is in the quarterfinals of the US Open or the semifinals of Wimbledon. Etc. I think you can see the problem with what you're essentially suggesting. Serena received a game point penalty because she broke the rules twice prior. It is not the onus of the referee to police players and let them know they are toeing the line (especially in the professional setting where the players should know the penalties!!!) You are right that the game is not about the referee, but at the same time, that doesn't mean the players have the liberty to act out of control simply because they are playing an important match. What you are suggesting only further makes inconsistent the enforcement of the rules. Should the rules themselves be different? Probably (I think so). But whatever they are, they should and need to be enforced especially as the match becomes more significant.
No matter how unfortunate it is that Serena lost a game in the finals of a major tennis tournament or how perhaps the official could've handled things differently, we can't and shouldn't normalize abuse of referees. It's really not as discretionary of an issue as you might think. The issue with Serena wasn't even necessarily that she called him a thief (although arguably just that alone probably should be a violation). It's that she repeated the comment publicly in front of her opponent in a provocative manner. That is a textbook definition of official abuse. She is insinuating that the referee is biased and attacking his integrity. That is unacceptable. You wouldn't act in the manner in which she did in other workplace situation - why should this be any different?
(As an aside I think that the issue of coaching being an "inconsistent" penalty is less chair umpires ignoring coaches coaching than not noticing it happening).