I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, but I went through the haxtower twice with a wondertomb, and haven't been attacked once. It's all been status inflicting, stat downers/uppers or weather moves. A Mantine used rain dance three times in a row, togetic used follow me all turns it was out, I've been charmed/growled/screeched etc. countless times and they always put up reflects and safeguards. Now wether this means they know your ability, or wether their attacks will be ineffective or not, I no idea, but I DO know that wondertomb can own the shit out of the haxtower :D
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The AI in the haxtower knows your ability?
- Thread starter TyphlosionEXplOsIOn
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So it's all coincidence? I still haven't been attacked yet, save for a Hitmontop that only had attacking moves and counter. An Electabuzz used rain dance several turns in a row too and so did a Sudowoodo, except with sandstorm.
1. you cheat so don´t brag that you own the battle tower
2. others have tried the same as you and got badly beaten by fire fang (which hits always through wonderguard)
3. of course the AI knows you team and your movesets and everything (my opisnion)...that´s why you almost always lose if you´re 1-2 down and they bring out their last poké out after you, in the majority of occasions it´s a counter (at least type-wise)
2. others have tried the same as you and got badly beaten by fire fang (which hits always through wonderguard)
3. of course the AI knows you team and your movesets and everything (my opisnion)...that´s why you almost always lose if you´re 1-2 down and they bring out their last poké out after you, in the majority of occasions it´s a counter (at least type-wise)
I'm not bragging about anything, stop being so defensively paranoid. I just thought I could bring this up as a possible explanation as to why the AI is so cheap. But if it's common knowledge, then my bad.
To be fair, he's not saying that he owns it, but rather that wondertomb does.
it's the same thing pretty much, nobody cares how well a poke with a hacked ability or moveset does against the battle tower, certainly not people like peterko and myself
anyway i can't say for sure whether the AI uses moves in direct advantageous (for them) response to your current pokes' ability since most of the pokes i've used either have one ability or a second one that didn't matter. when i used a lead bronzong back in like august 07 i did never get EQed but i dont know how much of a conclusion we can draw from that
the ai considers spiritomb weirdly anyway, for some reason they've excluded it from their own pool of pokemon
anyway i can't say for sure whether the AI uses moves in direct advantageous (for them) response to your current pokes' ability since most of the pokes i've used either have one ability or a second one that didn't matter. when i used a lead bronzong back in like august 07 i did never get EQed but i dont know how much of a conclusion we can draw from that
the ai considers spiritomb weirdly anyway, for some reason they've excluded it from their own pool of pokemon
Without a doubt they know your ability. They will never attempt an Earthquake on a Levitating Bronzong but will against a Heatproof one.
I don't think they know your item. If your Pokemon holds one of the type damage reducing berries, the CPU will still use an attack of that type even if a different attack would do more damage. When the CPU has an attack that can OHKO your Pokemon, they will use it almost without exception. They still do this when your Pokemon holds a Focus Sash and is technically two hits to kill.
It's too hard to say if the CPU is aware of any other things about your Pokemon.
I don't think they know your item. If your Pokemon holds one of the type damage reducing berries, the CPU will still use an attack of that type even if a different attack would do more damage. When the CPU has an attack that can OHKO your Pokemon, they will use it almost without exception. They still do this when your Pokemon holds a Focus Sash and is technically two hits to kill.
It's too hard to say if the CPU is aware of any other things about your Pokemon.
the tower ai always knows your team, above 21 battles the ai often send leads that counter your own lead (at least a counter typing or with a good counter attack), also being surpassed 1-2 is really bad, because you kill the second poke and the third one is gonna be a counter, it happened to me in almost every battle. So you need to avoid 1-2 situations or leave to the last one a really good poke with attacks that counter the counter pokes.
I have had a similar experience with Bronzong. I wanted to test something like this a while ago for my personal enrichment, and I have come to the rather (in my opinion) unscientific conclusion that the AI does, in fact, know your pokemon's ability, but not its item.
I also did a different, but I think, complimentary, test to the observations that Jumpman stated:
I used to use a Tyranitar (with boltbeam), sceptile (choicescarf), and DD Dragonite team in the battle tower.
Tyranitar initially had a focus sash, but then I put that on Dragonite. My reasoning behind this was because Dragonite had DD and Outrage, and did a lot more damage subsequently, but would frequently get one hitted. I also noticed I was losing to a lot of typhlosions with focus blast (out of 35 recorded uses in four days, the AI missed 1 time). So I placed a chople berry on Tyranitar.
I do not know the full set on Typhlosion, but I am almost certain that it had a more damaging move than focus blast (factoring in sandstorm) and the AI always chose to use focus blast even though after the chople berry it did less than 50% damage (somewhere between 40-49% iirc [I havent used this set in 6 months, minimum), and I know that I took more from a STABed overheat or fire blast.
I don't know what conclusions you want to draw from this, but I think that it tends to corroborate the already articulated point, particularly the feeligns espoused by our colleague, TRE, who I consider a very learned source on the battletower (sorry if that sounded sycophantic).
Also, an event that I encounter frequently:
I use choice specs gengar (a lot) in the battletower. After battle 21 I face a very high number of torterra for some reason (this is a consistent occurence). Even though I am certain that torterra could kill my gengar (who has a paltry 123 HP at lvl 50 XD) with either wood hammer or some some other attack, the torterra always tries to neutralize my levitate with worry seed. This turns what would be an almost certain death for the little imp into a free kill every time without fail (I can't provide exact damage calculations, but typically with ~244 spAtk after cspecs it does between 94-100% damage so sometimes [1 out of every 4or5] I'll OHKO the torterra).
I don't know how much my schtick adds to to the topic at hand, but I hope I can expound upon some of the points already articulated.
I also did a different, but I think, complimentary, test to the observations that Jumpman stated:
I used to use a Tyranitar (with boltbeam), sceptile (choicescarf), and DD Dragonite team in the battle tower.
Tyranitar initially had a focus sash, but then I put that on Dragonite. My reasoning behind this was because Dragonite had DD and Outrage, and did a lot more damage subsequently, but would frequently get one hitted. I also noticed I was losing to a lot of typhlosions with focus blast (out of 35 recorded uses in four days, the AI missed 1 time). So I placed a chople berry on Tyranitar.
I do not know the full set on Typhlosion, but I am almost certain that it had a more damaging move than focus blast (factoring in sandstorm) and the AI always chose to use focus blast even though after the chople berry it did less than 50% damage (somewhere between 40-49% iirc [I havent used this set in 6 months, minimum), and I know that I took more from a STABed overheat or fire blast.
I don't know what conclusions you want to draw from this, but I think that it tends to corroborate the already articulated point, particularly the feeligns espoused by our colleague, TRE, who I consider a very learned source on the battletower (sorry if that sounded sycophantic).
Also, an event that I encounter frequently:
I use choice specs gengar (a lot) in the battletower. After battle 21 I face a very high number of torterra for some reason (this is a consistent occurence). Even though I am certain that torterra could kill my gengar (who has a paltry 123 HP at lvl 50 XD) with either wood hammer or some some other attack, the torterra always tries to neutralize my levitate with worry seed. This turns what would be an almost certain death for the little imp into a free kill every time without fail (I can't provide exact damage calculations, but typically with ~244 spAtk after cspecs it does between 94-100% damage so sometimes [1 out of every 4or5] I'll OHKO the torterra).
I don't know how much my schtick adds to to the topic at hand, but I hope I can expound upon some of the points already articulated.
Wondertomb isn't the point of discussion, so no need to blurt your righteous gaming morals here.
*goes to siggy*
Doesn't Focus Blast do 240 damage (120BP × 4x effective / 2 due to Shuca Berry) to Overheat's 105 (140BP × 1.5 due to STAB / 2 due to resistance)? Are you sure you're remembering right?
I am almost certain, I tried again last night, because I was genuinely interested in the answer and I discovered that even with a critical hit focus blast, my tyranitar with 169 health (at lvl 50) only took ~87% damage after the chople berry. I subsequently faced another typhlosion, and there was no critical hit, it did ~58% damage, which was was slightly less than the overheat (~60%) that I subsequently took from the same typhlosion three rounds later.
However, I think that we need further testing on this because we can't control for lurking variables in this "experiment" due to things such as imperfect IVs and the difference in spAtk and spDef. It is important to note that my tyranitar only has 133 spDef.
I think that we should be hesitant to extrapolate a conclusion from a few small tests, but my gut instinct is that the AI does indeed know the ability of your pokemon. I also think that you should be skeptical of the facts presented in this post because I'm not the greatest statistician.
However, I think that we need further testing on this because we can't control for lurking variables in this "experiment" due to things such as imperfect IVs and the difference in spAtk and spDef. It is important to note that my tyranitar only has 133 spDef.
I think that we should be hesitant to extrapolate a conclusion from a few small tests, but my gut instinct is that the AI does indeed know the ability of your pokemon. I also think that you should be skeptical of the facts presented in this post because I'm not the greatest statistician.
