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lol @ the Minnesota/Calgary game, 2 PP goals waved off.

I was at that game. 2 pp goals in a row, to be exact. The first one wasn't even reviewed, we were about ready to riot. It was insane I don't think I've seen the dome more pissed off in my life. They were within like 20 seconds of each other too, it was completely unreasonable as both goals should have bee reviewed at the very least.

On a good note, the flames played like a team that wants to be in playoffs. They were defensively good and they were tenacious on offense.


So I've been hearing about fighting in hockey alot, 60% of canadians think it should go. Other than the entertainment, I was thinking about what it really adds to the game. I then saw an interview with Jarome Iginla who had some amazing insight on it: It keeps people accountable. If you remove fighting, there is not really much of a self-check for alot of the other violent or dirty things out there since the refs miss penalties on every single shift. I am of the opinion that sending guys out to goon should be disallowed, but if a fight happens it is generally because someone was being a dick and needs to be checked. Opinions?
 
I just think people are overreacting about fighting. It should've occurred to the people that some time around something like this might've happened, but since it didn't, people are going overboard and saying that fighting should be banned over 1 accidental death. I know it's sad, but Don Cherry said it best when he said that people are using this to their advantage to get fighting out of the game. Now they're trying to control fights (lol), which basically is making it more of a boxing match.

However, I am in favor of Mike Brophy's (lol) rule, which basically gets rid of the players who can't play for shit (Boogaard). To elaborate, if someone fights and their average ice time is below 10 (I think it should be more around 7), than they get a 10 minute/game (can't remember lol) misconduct.
 
Fighting has to stay, but at the same time, the bullshit that happens at the beginning of a faceoff needs to go...which is what they are trying to get rid of as far as I know.
 
"Staged" fights, like those that clown Carcillo keeps pulling, are awful for the game.

Clean fights that are done in response to dirty hits, not clean hard hits, are wonderful as they (should) keep players accountable and aware of their actions in a fast paced, physical sport.

The main danger with fighting seems to always come down to one thing: player takes off his helmet, player falls to ice, player's head hits ice, player takes severe damage to his head. And as much as the league and / or the coaches might desire it, the players don't like beating their hands on the helmets, so asking them to keep them on during a fight sounds almost unreasonable.

I'm hoping that with material engineering making such impressive advancements, we might have another solution: "softer" helmets. More efficient at absorbing shock but also less rigid. This would also be beneficial to help curb the concussion problem, as "softer" pads would cause less of an impact to opposing players' heads.

I would really be sad if the NHL had to curb its physicality if there was an engineering solution to all of it ^_^
 
In to say I love staged fights from the face-off and the energy a guy like Derek Boogard can bring to a crowd.
 
I really dont care either way about the staged fights and even throughout my college season I tried to start like a bajillion of those but still, they are the ones that usually result in the injuries too
 
So in fantasy news, the consolation bracket ended up just like it "should have." 7, 8 got a bye, 9 beat 10, 11 beat 12. Round 2, 7 beat 9, 8 beat 10, 11 beat 12 in their final match. Now it is between 9 and 10 and 7 and 8 seeds to keep up the string.

Championship bracket ended up a little different. In the consolation game you have yours truly paired off against gr33n, and in the big game, Teifu and LOLdaron. In any case, last week harbored the closest match I have ever seen between myself and Teifu and I thought that I might have been in the finals, but alas, Mike Greens 18 shots on goal for a defenseman beat out any two of my non San Jose forwards put together. What an amazingly hard fought week though, and there is no one I would rather go down to than my best bud and especially in that close of a game.

In any case, good luck gr33n, and hopefully you can provide another hard fought week. Also good luck Teifu and we have previously discussed this possible matchup so I wont say anything to blatant here!

Happy last week of fantasy fellas.
 
"loldaron"

Anyway, I do not wish you good luck Teifu. Because I will sorely need it.

Good luck to myself.

In other fantasy news, I am in the championship matchup in 3 out of 4 leagues, and I'm in the 3rd place on the last one. Pretty solid year ^_^

It's cool being in the championship rounds in a public league, however, because if you win you get an invite to a winner's league the next year, which is way more competitive (and hence fun) than a normal league.

This year I'm in the championship round for the winner's league, so I have a question: Does anyone know if there is anything beyond the winner's league? If you win a normal league, you get an invite to a winner's, so I was wondering if you win a winner's league if you get an invite to something else.

Anyway, good luck gr33n. I hope you beat this random.
 
I'm in the finals in my league! I think I'm gonna lose though...

My Team:
Code:
C - Shawn Horcoff
C - Jonathon Toews
C - Rich Peverley
C - Mikko Koivu
C - Anze Kopitar
LW - Ryan Smyth
LW - Alex Tanguay
LW - Todd Bertuzzi
RW - Devin Setoguchi
RW - J.P Dumont
RW - Jamie Langenbrunner
RW - Claude Giroux
D - Chris Pronger
D - Jay Bouwmeester
D - Sami Salo
G - Ryan Miller
G - Cam Ward
G - Brian Elliot
Opponent's team:
Code:
C - Sidney Crosby
C - T.J. Oshie
C - Sam Gagner
C - Derek Roy
C - Mikhail Grabovski
C/LW - Keith Tkachuk
LW - David Perron
LW - Sean Avery
LW - Vaclav Prospal
RW - Joffery Lupul
RW - Corey Perry
RW - Teemu Selanne
D - Kevin Bieksa
D - Sergei Gonchar
D - Sheldon Souray
D - Dion Phaneuf
G - Carey Price
G - Roberto Luongo

He'll most likely grab the goalie categories, but I still have a chance in offensive categories. He doesn't have any moves left, but I have 9, so I guess I can use that to my advantage...
 
Luongo is great, but Price is shaky. Miller is returning to form, Ward is on a tear, I'd say you have the edge in goalies.
 
Classy as always, aldaron.


I would definitely say the edge goes to your opponent, CaptainKishimoto, but the nice/terrible thing about HtH is that is really only so important. Between my two publics my better team lost to a team it was much better than and my lesser team beat a team it was a great deal worse than, so anything can happen. Plus it's kinda tough to eye ball since I know you're playing by at least slightly different rules than we are. That'd be a pretty intimidating 16 man roster, even, dropping Oshie and Grabovski though, sheesh. Good luck!



Speaking of publics I'm sorry, Carl, you'll have to go on without me. :( My team's epic collapse was almost rectified but alas, Backstrom just HAD to let that second goal in, lol. For reference(kind of hard to read since it doesn't center and I'm too lazy to screenshot):

NAME LOL _G _A +/- PIM PPP SOG W GAA S% SO
SILVER SN 07 21 -5 036 011 136 04 2.15 .935 1
the legend 14 25 04 016 009 112 06 2.09 .927 1

that skater performance really didn't deserve to win much, but damn, 1 more goal against for him or one less for me and I'd have won the week (4-5, as it was). Frustrating to a lose a 1/4 there, especially since I hadn't lost a stat (29-0-1) in the last 3 weeks of the regular season... bad time for the offense to fall asleep. Ah well, on to the finals with my shit team, where the team I was horribly afraid of(who got 2nd in spite of getting bored and taking 2 months off) got tossed round 2 as well, so after winning as the 4 in that 4/1 I get to play the third in the finals, who I 4-4-2ed twice in the regular season. Probably another nailbiter...

This brings me to an interesting (to me...) point, though. I normally intentionally draft teams I expect to be playoff teams because I feel like they play harder when they aren't eliminated during the fantasy playoffs. Statistically it's been almost the other way this year so far, since high standing teams like Detroit, New Jersey, San Jose, Washington, Philadelphia, Calgary, and Chicago, the top 8 teams in the league right now, are all a little over or under .500 over the last 10 games - not what that train of thought would have predicted. Similarly, a lot of teams I consciously avoid for being shit teams are really hot right now like Ottawa (7-3), Atlanta (7-3), Columbus(6-2-2), Nashville(5-1-4), and St. Louis(7-2-1). I wonder if the hot/cold is contributing to the upsets in my leagues this year - of the 3 HtHs I'm in, 1st only beat 4th once, and 2nd only beat 3rd once. I wonder if that is a trend.
 
Despite playing for a championship in 2 of 3 leagues, this season is still a flop for me because I didn't get to defend my title for smogon league. Though my skaters were top 5 at least for all stat totals, the h2h records are what matter and most are around .500 for w/l. Meanwhile, the disaster that has been my netminding ranks dead last so that made it extremely difficult to win on any given week. I plan on drafting a bit differently next year so hopefully I won't shoot myself in the foot as much like I did this year by investing so heavily in goalies so early. I assumed Giguere and Turco would be locks for strong seasons but not so much.

That's not to say goaltending isn't important, though. I'm playing for the championship in the public league teifu and I joined together (as a 3 seed no less just like in smogon last year so I hope that's a sign of the outcome) and my netminding has been absolutely stellar. Brodeur, Steve Mason, and Cam Ward have been so good that I just straight up dropped Carey Price the other day (Brodeur had been sitting on my IR and created a bit of a log jam when he came back). The shutout factor these guys have gives such a nice edge. My skaters in this league are much better as well, but considering this whole team was autodrafted I can't really pat myself on the back too much. I made solid pickups but considering this league was pretty inactive that wasn't tough to do.

Anyway, best of luck to everyone in the final weeks.. I'm already excited about next years fantasy season. Luckily there's still the real playoffs to look forward to!
 
Classy as always, aldaron.

This brings me to an interesting (to me...) point, though. I normally intentionally draft teams I expect to be playoff teams because I feel like they play harder when they aren't eliminated during the fantasy playoffs. Statistically it's been almost the other way this year so far, since high standing teams like Detroit, New Jersey, San Jose, Washington, Philadelphia, Calgary, and Chicago, the top 8 teams in the league right now, are all a little over or under .500 over the last 10 games - not what that train of thought would have predicted. Similarly, a lot of teams I consciously avoid for being shit teams are really hot right now like Ottawa (7-3), Atlanta (7-3), Columbus(6-2-2), Nashville(5-1-4), and St. Louis(7-2-1). I wonder if the hot/cold is contributing to the upsets in my leagues this year - of the 3 HtHs I'm in, 1st only beat 4th once, and 2nd only beat 3rd once. I wonder if that is a trend.

On the first note, as per usual and you can't expect much at this point after this whole season, BUT...on the second note, I think that has a lot to do with it too. No offense to any of the guys in our leagues, but I think the top 6 teams were definitely the best teams and contain a lot of players from the aforementioned good teams. Now the consolation is falling exactly as the rankings say it should and I wonder if that too isnt because of the fact that they have players from those other teams. But yeah, it is interesting that those "shitty" teams are having good stretches and possibly upsetting the better paper wise teams.
 
Can't take a joke, huh.

Anyway, whoever is in the finals / 3rd place matchup in other leagues, post your rosters. I'm curious to see what some other successful teams look like.
 
Can't take a joke, huh.

Anyway, whoever is in the finals / 3rd place matchup in other leagues, post your rosters. I'm curious to see what some other successful teams look like.
That was one hell of a knee slapping joke then....guess the punchline went right over my head...?Also how odd is that that all of the matchups were either close 5-4 or 6-3....?
 
Alright let's see if I can do this from memory..

For the public league my roster looks like this:
C - Mike Richards
C - Nick Backstrom
C - Tim Connolly
LW - Ilya Kovalchuk
LW - Mike Cammaleri
LW - David Booth
RW - Daniel Alfreddson
RW - Bobby Ryan
RW - Phil Kessel
D - Dan Boyle
D - Sergi Gonchar
D - Marek Zidlicky
D - Tobias Enstrom
G - Martin Brodeur
G - Steve Mason
G - Cam Ward

Then the other league is one that pookar and some of his friends did and they needed an extra person. It only has 6 people so don't be shocked by the talent on this roster.. Its also changed a lot depending on what players are hot thanks to the depth of FA.

C - Ryan Getzlaf
C - Marc Savard
C - Jeff Carter
C/LW - Henrik Zetterberg
C/LW - Patrick Marleau
LW - Zach Parise
C/RW - Johan Franzen
RW - Corey Perry
RW/LW - Shane Doan
D - Dion Phaneuf
D - Sergei Gonchar
D - Sheldon Souray
D - Shea Weber
G - Martin Biron
G - Martin Brodeur
G - Tim Thomas

The first team is a 3 seed in the finals and the second is a 1 seed in the finals (against pookar!!).
 
My publics

*4. Longshot 130-82-18

C Henrik Sedin
C Nicklas Backstrom
LW Patrik Elias
LW Simon Gagne
RW Teemu Selanne
RW Alexei Kovalev
D Andrei Markov
D Bryan McCabe
D Kris Letang
D Mathieu Schneider
LW Sean Avery
RW Bill Guerin
C Steve Ott
G Tomas Vokoun
G Marc-Andre Fleury
G Jean-Sebastian Giguere

How did this team get to the finals? I made a bad trade in the middle of the season when Theodore and Giguerre were sucking because I was just losing too many points every week in net (that was essentially Alfredsson/Theodore for Fleury) which looked really good, then really bad, and now really good again because my skaters toasted the #1 offense in my league and Fleury is playing very well. Probably going to drop Giggy for Hiller during the finals.

1. SILVER SNAKES 122-43-25 .708

C Scott Gomez
C, LW Henrik Zetterberg
LW Zach Parise
LW Simon Gagne
RW Ales Hemsky
RW Teemu Selanne
D Dion Phaneuf
D Rob Blake
D Kimmo Timonen
D Ryan Whitney
C Mats Sundin
C Sam Gagner
RW Dustin Brown
LW, RW Shane Doan
G Roberto Luongo
G Nicklas Backstrom


How did this team not make the finals? One goal against away... skaters collapsed in the last week, but seriously .708? Really frustrated this team's best hope is third. Better beat me Carl, even though we aren't actually going at it, if I fail to win the league by one goal I'll hurt someone. I'd been using Kreicji over Gagner but dropped him for the playoffs since he hasn't scored a goal in about twenty years and assists aren't usually competitive.
 
Carl has 4 first rounders on his public league team ~_~

EDIT: Here are my rosters:

The Yahoo Public Winner's League (this the league I "want" to win):

C - Olli Jokinen
C - Marc Savard
C / LW - Patrick Marleau
LW - Simon Gagne
LW - Dany Heatley
LW - Chris Kunitz
RW / LW - Shane Doan
RW - Devin Setoguchi
RW - Phil Kessel (but I dropped him yesterday)
D - Sheldon Souray
D - Kyle Quincey
D - Marc-Andre Bergeron
D - Cam Barker
G - Marc-Andre Fleury
G - Thomas Vokoun
G - Ilya Bryzgalov

^This team was ridiculous in the middle of the season, but it has cooled off significantly. I barely managed to get by in the past two rounds. The championship matchup looks really close on paper and will probably come down to whether Ilya and Vokoun show up for me.

Yahoo Public League Normal:

C - Marc Savard
C - Niklas Backstrom
C - Todd White
LW - Rick Nash
LW - Chris Kunitz
LW / RW - Kris Versteeg
RW - Jarome Iginla
RW - Marian Gaborik
RW - David Backes
RW / LW - Alexander Semin
D - Cam Barker
D - Joe Corvo
D - Tobias Enstrom
D - Ed Jovanovski
G - Tim Thomas
G - Ilya Bryzgalov

^This team is probably my best team. I am pretty much guaranteed to win this league.

You guys know my Smogon league team, so here is my other custom league. Note this league splits PPP into PPG and PPA, and counts SHP and FaceOff Wins for skaters, and counts Saves for Goalies. I'm only playing for 3rd here:

C - Marc Savard
C - Daniel Briere
C - Tim Connolly
C - Mats Sundin
LW / C - Henrik Zetterberg
LW - Ray Whitney
LW - Alex Ponikarovsky
LW / RW - Kris Versteeg
RW - Ales Hemsky
RW - Bobby Ryan
D - Cam Barker
D - Pavel Kubina
D - Ed Jovanovski
D - Mark Streit
G - Chris Mason
G - Steven Mason
G - Carey Price
G - Ilya Bryzgalov

^Yea only playing for 3rd here =( Lost 7-7 last week with the other guy having more goals =(

I just realized that other people might not know my Smogon League team, so here is the supreme underdog in the championship match!

C - Olli Jokinen
C - Daniel Briere
C - Andy Mcdonald
LW - Alexander Ovechkin
LW - Rick Nash
LW - Sean Avery
RW / LW - Shane Doan
RW - Martin Havlat
RW - Bobby Ryan
D - Ed Jovanovski
D - Filip Kuba
D - Kyle Quincey
D - Tim Gilbert
G - Nikolai Khabibulin
G - Ilya Bryzgalov
G - Chris Mason

I think is a pretty solid team...but if you guys take a gander at Synre's you will see why I feel I am the underdog, lol. He pulled a trade in the middle of the season where he got Daniel Sedin, Daniel Alfredsson and Marty Turco for Scot Hartnell, Alexei Kovalev and Nabakov ._.
 
Where in god's name do you get your information from? lol


I missed this, sorry. It is flames club policy to remove people who are 'unplesant in the locker room', hence the head scratchingly stupid trades of Savard and St.Louis, both were guys that everyone could plainly see had alot of potential. This also happened when the flames had Brett Hull- they traded him away for apparently getting sloshed with vernon all the time and they had to pick to seperate the duo.

Source: living in calgary and local newscasts and press releases etc
 
aldaron I won a winners league, there is nothing beyond that sadly :(
I always start out the year in a public and smogon and then I realize that smogon is more competitive than a winners league so I may very well not bother even playing the other league, so I dont.

In other news:
C Brad Richards, who returned from a broken wrist on March 21 in San Jose, broke his other hand in that game. He is out indefinitely.
(Yahoo! Sports)
That sucks.
 
I think the draft order for my public was Kovalchuk then Richards then Alfie as the first 3 picks. I had the 10th pick. The only explanation for how I got Alfie so late that I can come up with is that the draft was after the NHL season started by about 2 or 3 weeks. Brodeur got injured right after the draft and the idiot that had him dropped him lol so I used my high waiver and stuck him on my IR. Gonchar was a FA even the week before he was going to come back so I grabbed him for free as well. I got pretty lucky for sure.
 
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