Guerin IS a tough guy <.<
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Guerin should have dropped them before Crosby (I haven't seen any replays so I can't judge if he had a chance, it sounds like Crosby kinda jumped Ballard).
Sabres need to win final 3 games, have Rangers lose last two and Florida lose at least one. Hello, early summer vacation.
Sabres need to win final 3 games, have Rangers lose last two and Florida lose at least one. Hello, early summer vacation.
From NHL.com rulebook, "An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria: distance traveled; gloves off first; first punch thrown; menacing attitude or posture; verbal instigation or threats; conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season."
The aggressor call could have really been called on either of them. Ballard droped the gloves first, and you could argue the distance traveled for Crosby.
Sidney Crosby should in no way have gotten 19 minutes...are you kidding? If you could, break down each penalty he would be assessed to him and why.
Also, to the people talking about Guerin not fighting: If you were watching the game, Crosby beat him to the punch (ie Crosby got there first).
"Some obvious fanboy"-I didn't know I wasn't allowed to talk about players on the team I watch without being labeled a "fanboy".
"criesby", "cindy", and "crapsby" are not witty at all.
Fit in? He has a whopping 1 goal and 4 points since we acquired him. He's an average penalty-killer and throws a decent hit now and then, that's IT. Of course the only winners in the trade would be Edmonton, Kotalik went pointless for 6 games before getting 4 in one game and has been hot ever since.
Buffalo just can't win. In any sport, ever.
5 for fighting, that one is completely obvious
2 for instigating, since he travelled across the ice and picked the guy out completely
2 for unsportsmanlike conduct- visor, since it's a penalty for not removing your helmet when you get into a fight and have a visor unless you are the one getting jumped
10 misconduct for it being so blatant and pretty much uncalled for on a legal hit
Savvy?
I agree with everything but the 10 minute misconduct penalty and the 2 for instigating. It was not uncalled for, when you see a persons head be where his skates should be. Sure, the hit looked a lot worse real-time then it did after they showed multiple replays. You're not going to get a 10 minute misconduct for that type of fight....Yea, he travelled across the ice but Ballard did drop the gloves first.
looks like you got owned son
EDIT: wow you kept going
It is an instigator basically every time when someone completely uninvolved in the play comes over and starts a scrum that ends up in a fight. That is a gimmie call, even without the misconduct or the unsportsmanlike that would have been called. You aren't allowed to run over and start a fight when your guy gets hit, clean or otherwise, and not take an instigator penalty for it. This situation is exactly why this penalty exists, to punish teams for trying to start shit after their guys get hit clean, to keep hitting in the game. Thanks for, as usual, helping to "pussify" the game, Mr. Crosby, even when you're trying to be a tough guy. Impressive!
The misconduct is pretty much a gimmie too but that's so referee subjective it's hard to form an argument, but I sure know I'd have called it on a play like that for most of the reasons mentioned above... you just can't get away with that stupid shit.
In other news, man the NHL is weird right now, lol. 9-0-1 in their last 10 for the Hurricanes, sheesh! Playing even better than the Caps were at this time last year, they're going to be a nightmare for whoever gets stuck with them round one (probably the Flyers so I don't feel too bad). Pretty shock the Blues (7-2-1 in the last 10 but seriously they have to be about 24-6-? in their last however many at this point) are as hot as they are too, would not be the least bit surprised to see them and Anaheim dump San Jose and Detroit in round 1, as good as those teams are. Lots of teams on the bottom playing amazing hockey right now...
EDIT: wow you kept going
MouseTrap said:
It is an instigator basically every time when someone completely uninvolved in the play comes over and starts a scrum that ends up in a fight. That is a gimmie call, even without the misconduct or the unsportsmanlike that would have been called. You aren't allowed to run over and start a fight when your guy gets hit, clean or otherwise, and not take an instigator penalty for it. This situation is exactly why this penalty exists, to punish teams for trying to start shit after their guys get hit clean, to keep hitting in the game. Thanks for, as usual, helping to "pussify" the game, Mr. Crosby, even when you're trying to be a tough guy. Impressive!
The misconduct is pretty much a gimmie too but that's so referee subjective it's hard to form an argument, but I sure know I'd have called it on a play like that for most of the reasons mentioned above... you just can't get away with that stupid shit.
In other news, man the NHL is weird right now, lol. 9-0-1 in their last 10 for the Hurricanes, sheesh! Playing even better than the Caps were at this time last year, they're going to be a nightmare for whoever gets stuck with them round one (probably the Flyers so I don't feel too bad). Pretty shock the Blues (7-2-1 in the last 10 but seriously they have to be about 24-6-? in their last however many at this point) are as hot as they are too, would not be the least bit surprised to see them and Anaheim dump San Jose and Detroit in round 1, as good as those teams are. Lots of teams on the bottom playing amazing hockey right now...
I think if every team plays at their best no one can beat San Jose, I've been pretty terrified of them since about game 10, but they haven't looked as good entering the playoffs as they did entering the season and as much as they (and Detroit, Washington, Boston, NJ, etc.) probably have it on auto-pilot you can't just flick a switch and be on your game for the playoffs. Marleau being out hurts even though he'll probably be back for the playoffs, Blake has missed some time recently too... I don't know, I just wouldn't be totally surprised to see them not play like they should play, especially since disappearing in the playoffs is pretty much what that franchise does best.
I think if I were a betting man I'd pick the Canucks right now though, since they'd win me a lot more money if they won than my Wings or Caps. I could totally see anyone in the playoff picture right now pulling it off though, should be real interesting this year.
I think if I were a betting man I'd pick the Canucks right now though, since they'd win me a lot more money if they won than my Wings or Caps. I could totally see anyone in the playoff picture right now pulling it off though, should be real interesting this year.
teifu, the flames have the best record in the league against them IIRC and that last loss they outshot san jose like 35-20 or something. I'd say they have a shot at it if they can stop losing to idiot teams.
Good call about the instigator definition there teifu. If he agrees with the 2 minutes for the visor then he has to agree with the 2 minutes for the instigation automatically. The 10 minutes I'd say is primarily because it was so very obvious and blatent that any reasonable ref would have assigned it.
Speaking of nightmares, columbus is shaping up to be more than a handful for whoever gets them...hopefully the flames, since the blackhawks wrecked our shit consistently this season.
Good call about the instigator definition there teifu. If he agrees with the 2 minutes for the visor then he has to agree with the 2 minutes for the instigation automatically. The 10 minutes I'd say is primarily because it was so very obvious and blatent that any reasonable ref would have assigned it.
Speaking of nightmares, columbus is shaping up to be more than a handful for whoever gets them...hopefully the flames, since the blackhawks wrecked our shit consistently this season.
10 minute misconducts are also insanely biased (i.e. Grabovski got 10 mins on a clean hit, it was thought they gave it to him so he wouldn't be hunted).
They can be yes.
Jesus I just looked at the hurricanes, man that is how to be successful in the playoffs; go in fighting and and keep on truckin!
if you're referring to MouseTrap with that enjoy comment, Psycho, I will be forced to think you are a crosby fanboy. Being lumped in with that group of 40 year old hockey moms that thought their kid was the 'next great one' but wasn't and 9 year olds that cheer for teams like Tampa and have nothing better to cheer for than crosby is almost universally bad...
Most hockey fans, hell even Vineon, probably agree that crosby is good but not as good as he or some people like to think. Not to mention that he's a total bitch, just look at the aforementioned fight to demonstrate his bitchness; all he did was grab arms and basically turtle while standing.
Of course, if you aren't a crosby fanboy then I'll just let you on your way with a warning :D
Most hockey fans, hell even Vineon, probably agree that crosby is good but not as good as he or some people like to think. Not to mention that he's a total bitch, just look at the aforementioned fight to demonstrate his bitchness; all he did was grab arms and basically turtle while standing.
Of course, if you aren't a crosby fanboy then I'll just let you on your way with a warning :D
I hate it how everyone acts that you can either hate crosby or being a crosby fanboy.
Start thinking outside the box.
Start thinking outside the box.
Haha no, you took the comment a tad to literally. I really dont HATE Crosby but he really isnt great by any means. I wont say that he is bad, or that he isnt a top player, but he isnt THE top player. I enjoy digimon avatar user simply because of his ridiculous comments that really dont even pertain to anything other than: "You are insulting Crosby so therefore you are stupid, or he is a great player." That is more or less what I enjoy, especially with the penalty minute comment you made! Ha!
Crosby is a great player, he may not be the game changing player that ovechkin is but he and malkin are a dangerious pair. When you say he isnt the top player it depends what your talking about, do you mean the single player that is going to make the biggest impact on the game than no he's not the best player but I think that he is the best playmaker in the game, he sets up his teamates like no other
cause your opinion is almost always different from mine :P
I am personally rather interested to see what kind of a player crosby will be once he's older and the razzledazzle of him being great before he's even done anything with his career wears off a bit.
You mean the clean hit that drew a 5-minute major? Okiedoke.
Amen.
I have to agree that Crosby isn't as great as people make him out to be. People call him 'Criesby' and such because he's a 'bitch', but people also seem to forget that the Great One was like that too.
And it was agreed by several people that it was a clean hit (also Markov turned on the hit).
And it was agreed by several people that it was a clean hit (also Markov turned on the hit).
if I win my public league it will be thanks to cam ward so I'm jumping on the carolina bandwagon! I'd love to see them wreck the flyers round 1.
my point about guerin watching and not fighting was more a jab at crosby because he should "know better" and let other players be the enforcer. the penguins do in fact need crosby if they expect to get anywhere in the playoffs and he shouldn't be fighting in that situation. yeah malkin took a rough hit but let the players who are on your line to throw their weight around do just that.
my point about guerin watching and not fighting was more a jab at crosby because he should "know better" and let other players be the enforcer. the penguins do in fact need crosby if they expect to get anywhere in the playoffs and he shouldn't be fighting in that situation. yeah malkin took a rough hit but let the players who are on your line to throw their weight around do just that.