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NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER
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Like for the POE thing, wasn't that D1? Where Asek was basically a no show? Like, both scum were pretty missing from d1 from what I can currently remember so of course my POE would be mostly townies.
poe full of townies
Asek missing from it ??
shades MS
I swear FH's eod1 looks so bad
I need to sit down and go through his iso more methodically since I might have missed things including what made him get off Asek's case
Two days left to lynch, 2 chances and I felt fairly confident with my POE of 2. Plus, your arguments against LW were really strong and good + LW was making himself look absolutely horrible
Afk slots usually end up in people's poe
Also yes I do flip flop a lot. Primarily because my thought process is to try and consider every situation (which yes, if fairly WIFOMy but eh, it's how my head works) which as a result tends to be flip floppy as a result because I'm considering so many things. Like I'll be confident on one aspect, but then I'll think of another aspect which makes me doubt the first one. But then the first one makes me doubt the second one, etc.
If it's any consolidation, that's like my one town tell that I'm aware - I'm far more confident as scum because I'm working with an angel compared to town me who doesn't
If it's any consolidation, that's like my one town tell that I'm aware - I'm far more confident as scum because I'm working with an angel compared to town me who doesn't
Okay
What about those arguments did you think was good ?
What about those arguments did you think was good ?
So ngl, I have no idea of the context of that post so I'm mostly guessing + using what I vaugely recall (and I might add more when I do my ISO's and reread the context). But I'm guessing well, the first two are obvious. Texas and Hawkie for pushing proph. You and leet.....I honestly don't remember. But I had you two on both and non of the serial idlers (Empoof/LW) there so maybe I was just doing people who were slightly more active but not posting really meaningful stuff at that stage? but ngl I don't remember
Man, this is not the night to ask me to make highly logical arguments or statements that need memory. But let's see iirc.
I do remember you posting that one LW post for me to look at. and I didn't really catch it at first but you pointed out a line to look at. And that was a bad line that painted LW really poorly (oh, I think it was his whole reversal stuff on leet?). From then, you just kept making points about him that I liked. Then LW would counter (poorly) usually using WIFOM or fallices against you and you pointed that out and rebutted well and in part I remember liking them because we had some mind meld.
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Too tired to run isos now will get back to it later
AMA
Too tired to run isos now will get back to it later
AMA
Oh yeah. Here's one I wanted to respond to. The yeti point.
Now yeah, that's a decently good argument. Like I can totally understand where that point of view comes from and I probably would have thought the same thing if our positions were reversed. But there is a caveat to that. Obviously that scum hunting tactic really only works when there have been opportunities where that person was the best kill but didn't die. And there are plenty of games out there where that hasn't been the case and someone who was nearly confirmed town makes it all the way to LYLO and sometimes becomes the deciding vote (for example, Animal mafia where Proph and Jalmont made it to LYLO despite Proph basically being universally since he and I joined the game).
Anyways, this game
N1 Hawkie killed - honestly don't know about this one. I think it's a fair argument I was one of the better choices to kill that night but then again, like yeti pointed out hawkie had a correct solve with AG and asek (I think it was those 2 he solved on...).
N2 Texas - Mason kill. At this point it probably was my fault (though I still am mildly annoyed at texas for trying to pressure me after I figured that out so blame texas for getting himself outed).
N3 Yeti - Probably a 50/50ish here because I doubt yeti was killed for being a mason (I certainly didn't suspect it). At this point iirc Yeti and I were probably the two most TR so yeah. but at this point Yeti was also much more active in game solving while I have my usual more limited activity.
N4 Leet - Mason claim
N5 KOC - Probably would have been a 50/50 if LW hadn't tried to shade me.
So yeah. IDK, I personally just think up to N3 it was always me in a larger pool and I just never got picked. Post N3 it makes sense why I'm alive. But meh, this argument is also super WIFOM but I'm probably scum helpful in WIFOM. Like my win rate in WIFOM isn't that great as town and on the otherside I'm known to have a good scum game (which is also something I didn't quite like about your argument, it's kind of something I would expect scum to use as it's something they can set up and would be most aware of due to them setting that up). So yeah. but yeah. Wow my brain isn't at 100%
Now yeah, that's a decently good argument. Like I can totally understand where that point of view comes from and I probably would have thought the same thing if our positions were reversed. But there is a caveat to that. Obviously that scum hunting tactic really only works when there have been opportunities where that person was the best kill but didn't die. And there are plenty of games out there where that hasn't been the case and someone who was nearly confirmed town makes it all the way to LYLO and sometimes becomes the deciding vote (for example, Animal mafia where Proph and Jalmont made it to LYLO despite Proph basically being universally since he and I joined the game).
Anyways, this game
N1 Hawkie killed - honestly don't know about this one. I think it's a fair argument I was one of the better choices to kill that night but then again, like yeti pointed out hawkie had a correct solve with AG and asek (I think it was those 2 he solved on...).
N2 Texas - Mason kill. At this point it probably was my fault (though I still am mildly annoyed at texas for trying to pressure me after I figured that out so blame texas for getting himself outed).
N3 Yeti - Probably a 50/50ish here because I doubt yeti was killed for being a mason (I certainly didn't suspect it). At this point iirc Yeti and I were probably the two most TR so yeah. but at this point Yeti was also much more active in game solving while I have my usual more limited activity.
N4 Leet - Mason claim
N5 KOC - Probably would have been a 50/50 if LW hadn't tried to shade me.
So yeah. IDK, I personally just think up to N3 it was always me in a larger pool and I just never got picked. Post N3 it makes sense why I'm alive. But meh, this argument is also super WIFOM but I'm probably scum helpful in WIFOM. Like my win rate in WIFOM isn't that great as town and on the otherside I'm known to have a good scum game (which is also something I didn't quite like about your argument, it's kind of something I would expect scum to use as it's something they can set up and would be most aware of due to them setting that up). So yeah. but yeah. Wow my brain isn't at 100%
I know that feel man.
As for questions for you. idk. Right now if I had to vote at this moment I would still vote for epik and atm, pending more digging into the thread to see that it's likely you are mason I'm tempted to softly believe it (as it does solve the quandry of Yeti/Texas D1 and my main reason for suspecting there's not a mason, ie Texas's Asek line D2 is sort of eh because of the fact he dumped that for MS wagon so quickly.)
So let's see. What are your thoughts on Epik atm?
Do you think my Night kill assessment is accurate
idk, oh sure why not. Do you think a scum epik would have been more active since subbing in
and yeah that's all I got for right now
At work atm will be posting upon return; finished reading over the thread with a focus on moody and im bordering on believing the mason claim rn. Phoneposting is lame though. I still need to do one more readover of the thread focusing solely on scum interactions and see where that takes me
Sooo about those posts
Can't really give a meaningful answer to any of these questions
Like yes if Epik wants to win as either alignment he should be a lot more active ?
Wish people had been more proactive (and reactive too, there weren't nearly as many reactions to the 1v1 with Lightwolf as I expected) day 5
I could get into detail about the wifom implications of the Knights kill but I'm not sure it's worth the effort
either way this thread has been dead for about 24 hours 3P1K Former Hope
I don't think there's much of a point in me isoing Texas when he had both of you as tr
A very moody iso begins now (or at least a partial one)
(also side note, this will be a very brief or partial ISO as I need to sleep soon)
"moody popped in and their contributions seemed largely to be going along with the flow. their posts seemed innocent enough but i didnt really get any impression / read from them." Asek initial read of Moody - interesting but vanilla
Proph SR'd him for what it's worth. Said his alignment would be easier to be figured out as the game goes along so we'll see if he was right.
Though he brings up the wagon hopping. Which hm. If there was any one reason to scum read moody it would probably be his wagon hopping this game. Besides whatever Proph is referring to, there's the one with MS and ....? I think there was one more time? Or was it just with MS, idr anymore. But yeah, like I've said previously at least wtih MS I don't think it's alignment indicative. and hrm, well I guess I'll just look out for that and see how I feel about it at the end.
Asek calls attention to wanting to interact with moody more. Doesn't follow up on it at all.
Agrees with the two town wagons and a put me off. Though sort of like this where he pointed at me, this frankly just seems to be a case of "yeah these people are scummy" and so I guess it's NAI.
Texas nulls moody.Nothing of super note.
Asek pushes back and spars with moody. Doesn't feel like svs to me.
Kind of eh with at least the last part - but I'm just not personally a fan of people intentionally sheeping (though I'm a bit of a hypocrite on that at times).Anyways, besides that the rest of it seems fine. and where I'd expect town to be in terms of considering the people who weren't just being total idlers.
I don't know what 'utr' means but texas shades moody as town here after previously saying he was going to keep him null until later in the game.
This is a really good post for Moody. D2 comes around and Yeti starts to suddenly green shade texas. Supports what he said happened.
Another good post for moody's argument. WIFOMing here but I feel like Texas would have been more pissed and more "why did you do that" if he didn't know moody's alignment.
and that ends d2 (for my record, I'm on page 60)
So far it looks pretty good for moody. Like the connections are certainly there and 100% yeti's flip from pushing moody and texas d1 into day 2's shading of texas is hella good (and also want to give props to moody, reading back you did a really good job of backing up texas without drawing a lot of attention to yourself. (or you are just scum and set that up ridiculously well and got lucky) but I'm still more inclined to believe you and your claim, even if it sucks getting it at LYLO. Not going to put a vote down yet as I want to still finish this ISO and do one on DLE/epik...but there'll come a time for that later.
Preferably
Not super signifigant. But so far in this game (end of page 16) the Texas/Moody connection seems fairly legit. Like, Texas has made a few posts where Moody was basically just "yeah, I agree" and like this reads post seems to suggest putting texas on the town side, but also trying to distance a little and not make it obvious, which is what I would expect at this stage.
(also side note, this will be a very brief or partial ISO as I need to sleep soon)
"moody popped in and their contributions seemed largely to be going along with the flow. their posts seemed innocent enough but i didnt really get any impression / read from them." Asek initial read of Moody - interesting but vanilla
At first this post seemed weird to me. But then it kind of clicked that with no team chat this is moody asking texas to please distance a bit. Reads pretty good.
Texas pushes back. I guess agreeing? idk, though tbf I was in agreement that moody's earlier post fell under the radar too easily.
Proph SR'd him for what it's worth. Said his alignment would be easier to be figured out as the game goes along so we'll see if he was right.
Though he brings up the wagon hopping. Which hm. If there was any one reason to scum read moody it would probably be his wagon hopping this game. Besides whatever Proph is referring to, there's the one with MS and ....? I think there was one more time? Or was it just with MS, idr anymore. But yeah, like I've said previously at least wtih MS I don't think it's alignment indicative. and hrm, well I guess I'll just look out for that and see how I feel about it at the end.
Asek calls attention to wanting to interact with moody more. Doesn't follow up on it at all.
Agrees with the two town wagons and a put me off. Though sort of like this where he pointed at me, this frankly just seems to be a case of "yeah these people are scummy" and so I guess it's NAI.
Texas nulls moody.Nothing of super note.
When asked to review Moody by Proph who was SR'ing him. It's kind of frusturating that he does this too because it's also kind of null, and worse WIFOMy to get into his head. Because I could see this post coming from a "I already slipped that I'm a mason I don't want to do that again" or well....what he actually said.
Asek pushes back and spars with moody. Doesn't feel like svs to me.
Kind of eh with at least the last part - but I'm just not personally a fan of people intentionally sheeping (though I'm a bit of a hypocrite on that at times).Anyways, besides that the rest of it seems fine. and where I'd expect town to be in terms of considering the people who weren't just being total idlers.
I don't know what 'utr' means but texas shades moody as town here after previously saying he was going to keep him null until later in the game.
This is a really good post for Moody. D2 comes around and Yeti starts to suddenly green shade texas. Supports what he said happened.
Another good post for moody's argument. WIFOMing here but I feel like Texas would have been more pissed and more "why did you do that" if he didn't know moody's alignment.
and that ends d2 (for my record, I'm on page 60)
So far it looks pretty good for moody. Like the connections are certainly there and 100% yeti's flip from pushing moody and texas d1 into day 2's shading of texas is hella good (and also want to give props to moody, reading back you did a really good job of backing up texas without drawing a lot of attention to yourself. (or you are just scum and set that up ridiculously well and got lucky) but I'm still more inclined to believe you and your claim, even if it sucks getting it at LYLO. Not going to put a vote down yet as I want to still finish this ISO and do one on DLE/epik...but there'll come a time for that later.
unrelated but i feel
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