The Most Influential Person in History.

So I was in my Reading Class in my County College, and I was asked who I believe was the most influential person in History. In a "non religious" kind of way, I have to say Jesus as he started a major religion that would change the World forever. Who do you think affected the World the most? Instead of just a name, try to give a reason.

If this thread already exists I'm sorry, I didn't see it when looking.
 
So I was in my Reading Class in my County College, and I was asked who I believe was the most influential person in History. In a "non religious" kind of way, I have to say Jesus as he started a major religion that would change the World forever. Who do you think affected the World the most? Instead of just a name, try to give a reason.

If this thread already exists I'm sorry, I didn't see it when looking.

So did L Ron Hubbard. :P I also don't know how much you can say that Jesus the man was influential, because the religion was really a product of his followers, and not him per se.

Actually, isolating a single person as most influential at all is pretty difficult, since people rarely do everything by themselves and there have been so many people to do influential things.

I think a list of possibles could include:
- Francis Bacon
- Isaac Newton
- William Shakespeare
- Charles Darwin
- Adolf Hitler
- Al-Kwarizmi
 
I realize I am being blunt about this, and I know it is hard to discern one person out of what billions, trillions of people. And I was pretty forward about it being "Just" Jesus. I'm only saying that so many things would be different. Including the middle ages, how America was formed, etc. Though there definitely are much more influential people who may not have existed if not for what Jesus (and of course his followers) did. And of course there are people before Christ that, had they done even a tiny thing differently, would make it so even Jesus hadn't existed. I know there is no one person in History who made all the difference, I'm just trying to hear intelligent responses as to why someone in history is important. And to get people's brains working ;)
 
Genghis Khan. Thinking about this from a mathematical perspective anyone who had lot of offspring along time ago (BC) is pretty much related to everyone on the planet so their genes have had a great impact, notably Charlemaigne and Genghis Khan. BTW i got this from QI which is pretty reputable.
 
Aristotle - One of the greatest scientist ever, and taught a little kid named Alexander.
Copernicus - Heliocentrism? Yes please.
Sun Zi - The Art of War perfected.
Confucius - If you mention Jesus having an impact, than you have to mention Confucius and ...
Siddhartha Gautama - Better known as Buddha

and, unfortunately ...

Hitler - I hate the man with a passion, but he did have a gigantic input on history.
 
God.

Ok, from a non-religious viewpoint, William Gilbert was the man who first discovered electricity and published his findings. This was the stepping stone for our current technological era. All modern inventions work with electricity, computers, telephones, cars, planes, trains, televisions, radio, everything humans are now relient on. He was probably the biggest impact on the present. But the person to impact all of history the most I would have to say one of the main religious figures, Jesus or Muhammad probably.
 
Well, I'll think of it this way:

lets make it a given that if X hadn't discovered Y, then Z would have. aka I'm not going to pick an inventor.

lets also look at it in terms of the modern world: if you go back centuries and centuries and centuries its difficult to say any action at that point had real influence, even if it appeared to be so.

with this in mind I will say: whoever fired the "shot heard round the world" aka the first shot fired in the American revolution. Imagine if no independent America or Britain ever existed; would WWI have happened? I mean, with one major entity in Europe going through a completely different course of history its very possible in my mind that its influence would have swayed history in a different direction. What about WWII? The Cold War? If WWII hadn't happened, would anybody have invented the nuclear bomb? Would the War on Terror be happening if there wasn't a United States to be bombed, or to start the War on Terror, or to lead it?
 
Going by the actual definition of the word 'influential' I'll have to go with Jesus Christ as well.

Going by influential, in terms of, literally, influencing things greatly and not just in great numbers, I'd say Winston Churchill, man saved the world *_*
 
Please folks, I'm a Catholic but Moses was primo religious figure numero uno. No Moses, no Jews, no Jews, no Jesus, no Jesus, no Christianity.

I sincerely doubt the Jewish traditions would have gained much traction were it not for Moses' rebellion against the Egyptians and leadership in the desert. Exodus is where the rubber meets the road for Judeo-Christendom.
 
Jesus Christ is a wonderful choice, but everyone is forgetting the important point made MrIndigo made: assuming JC actually existed (and I believe he did, just not in any supernatural way), he didn't write the Bible. I really don't think it's proper to attribute present-day Christianity to him any more than you can attribute present-day nu-metal to BB King.

Crunchatize makes another good point; if X hadn't done Y, Z would have shortly after. If Martin Luther King, Jr. hadn't galvanized the Civil Rights Movement, I believe some other leader of the black community would have stepped up and done so (Malcolm X? Medgar Evers?). It's nigh impossible to name an accomplishment that is one person's and theirs alone.

That said, my pick would have to be someone who did very terrible things, things that the average person doesn't contemplate... someone like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. It's not an easy leap of logic to say that if Hitler hadn't attempted to exterminate the Jews, some other German would have in his stead.
 
Deck makes a good point. Even taking the mystical aspects out of the story, assuming the rest is reasonably accurate historically, Moses led a total revolution out of slavery.
 
Aristotle was a horrible scientist, his misconceptions fooled the world for centuries.

He was good with formal logic and wasn't an awful biologist, but he had no scientific method and so his physical sciences were abysmal; profoundly religious.
 
Deck makes a good point. Even taking the mystical aspects out of the story, assuming the rest is reasonably accurate historically, Moses led a total revolution out of slavery.

Well why should we assume that it is historically accurate? As far as I know there hasn't been much/any historical evidence for the event. I haven't seen any archeological evidence that a mass exodus from Egypt really occurred. You would expect to at least find some evidence of camps (pottery, tools, etc...) considering it was supposedly a group of 1.5 million.

Edit: I'm not saying that it didn't actually happen. I am just saying that I personally haven't seen any documented evidence that it happened, so I remain skeptical. If anyone has some feel free to pm me or whatever. I'd be interested in reading it.

Also I'll cast my vote for the inventor of the wheel, because I can't think of a better answer right now.
 
I've never heard anyone ask "what would Moses do". Maybe it's because I live in a predominantly Christian country, but Jesus himself has a huge influence over the lives of many people I know, thousands of years after his death. Moses on the other hand, maybe in some situations some people might think about him briefly?

If you accept the question, then you cant really count the influence of Jesus toward Moses just because Moses was first, at least not all of it anyway. And I'd say Jesus was influential enough to win this one.

Have a nice day.
 
hmm muhammed( i know that was mispelled) inventor of Islam. as christainity/judaism are mostly peter and paul anyway. islam is all muhammed
 
I'm pretty sure the most influential people in history were the first h. sapiens. Hooray for evolution.

Well why should we assume that it is historically accurate? As far as I know there hasn't been much/any historical evidence for the event. I haven't seen any archeological evidence that a mass exodus from Egypt really occurred. You would expect to at least find some evidence of camps (pottery, tools, etc...) considering it was supposedly a group of 1.5 million.

*gasp*
You mean parts (e.g. all) of the Bible might not be literally (read: at all) true?
 
There is a book out about this subject. It divides people who have influence into two types, doers, and organizers (or something I forget the other type.) Jesus was a doer, and Paul was the organizer behind Xianity. Muhammad was both for Islam, so in the opinion of the author (and in mine) Muhammad had a larger impact because he was both, whereas Xianity was done by both individuals.

However, Confucius had a huge impact as well, and I'd place him up there.
 
This seems like a really pointless and unanswerable question. Obviously, the more ancient the personality, the more impact he or she had on history. Society is, at a macroscopic scale, a chaotic system. Change some minor event 30,000 years ago and we might be riding flying cars or horses right now, speaking in the various offspring of long-extinct languages and looking at a radically different world map. Closer to now, remove Julius Caesar from the equation and for all we know the Roman Empire would have fallen, Europe would be Celtic and Christianity would never have taken off. Remove Gutenberg and the progress of literacy and science in Europe would have been stalled for as much time as it would have taken for someone else to do the same thing - perhaps decades, in which case it would have been critical - perhaps no time at all, because most inventions are incremental improvements over contributions that were made by numerous people before then, and are more or less "waiting" to be discovered (thus why many discoveries are made by several people at the same time).

At large, we could assess the "influence" of someone by how much of current society they "directed", as in, what their legacy is, notwithstanding the kind of "butterfly effect" everybody has. In that sense, Jesus Christ, a character of dubious authenticity and whose story has certainly been heavily romanced, is a poor choice, because so to speak he'd be remembered the same regardless of what he did. Christianity, as any religion, seems to be a team effort, so I doubt we can trace back anyone in particular as a major influence - somebody had to write it, many people had to spread it. The American revolution, which I believe has a great legacy, also seems to be overdue and a team effort, so it's difficult to meaningfully assign influence. Most technological advancements are extremely incremental (even when they do not appear so), so influence has to be accordingly split. It is difficult to tell at this point how influential Hitler was - Israel, scaring Europeans into uniting themselves, and what else? I'm not sure what Stalin did that was influential besides slaughtering people.

"Whoever" invented the wheel was probably thousands of people in all cultures through all of early history - due to a lack of communication between tribes, most early inventions were probably made everywhere independently. The "first" Homo Sapiens does not exist - that's meaningless and it's just not how it works. We don't go from one Homo to the other from a unique mutation, it is a gradual process for which the ingredients are brewed during a long time.

In the end, I got nothing :)
 
I've got possibly the most influential person you've never heard of: Lawrence G. Roberts, leader of the time that invented ARPANET, the predecessor of the internet.
 
... And what invention would that be...?

As for most influential: I don't think we'll ever know. Just poll a fraction of a percent of every country (same percentages, though) and you can find out.

However, I'm going to say that ... China has the most people, right? Whoever made the first big decision for China (or last could work) had the most influence.
 
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