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The NHL Thread
- Thread starter Shichiro
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Wow, quadruple OT. That must've been quite a game. I went to bed at midnight when the score was 3-2 for the Canucks and the 2nd wasn't over yet iirc.
Anyway, my Wings are up 4-0 right now with 12 minutes to go and holding strong. My prediction to friends at school today was 4-1, looks like I'm awfully close.
Detroit has played amazingly so far this game. If they play like this for the entire playoffs, they will be an unmatched force. They are playing the puck so well, not allowing any chances, taking as many shots as they can, and what really surprises me is being physical. Detroit has had so many awesome checks from even the smaller forwards that you wouldn't expect it from. I'm hoping they can keep this attitude up.
Anyway, my Wings are up 4-0 right now with 12 minutes to go and holding strong. My prediction to friends at school today was 4-1, looks like I'm awfully close.
Detroit has played amazingly so far this game. If they play like this for the entire playoffs, they will be an unmatched force. They are playing the puck so well, not allowing any chances, taking as many shots as they can, and what really surprises me is being physical. Detroit has had so many awesome checks from even the smaller forwards that you wouldn't expect it from. I'm hoping they can keep this attitude up.
Reading everyone, I must be the only person that really dislike the play-off multiple overtime periods format then.
When it gets in OT, you know from there its going to take a long while, even if there's been 12 goals in 3 periods before. The players are now tired and will play extremely cautiously and the refs wont call penalties.
Anything more than a full 20 minutes of OT is too much. Granted I love every second of some of those OT periods but a game that finishes in 4th OT period is ridiculous. That would be similar to a baseball serie match ending in the 20th+ inning. Thats insane and it happened way too much in recent years
That cannot help the NHL get play-off TV deals. But I dont think there's anything to be done about it as we'll most certainly never see shootouts during the play-offs.
I wouldnt be one to vote against them though.
When it gets in OT, you know from there its going to take a long while, even if there's been 12 goals in 3 periods before. The players are now tired and will play extremely cautiously and the refs wont call penalties.
Anything more than a full 20 minutes of OT is too much. Granted I love every second of some of those OT periods but a game that finishes in 4th OT period is ridiculous. That would be similar to a baseball serie match ending in the 20th+ inning. Thats insane and it happened way too much in recent years
That cannot help the NHL get play-off TV deals. But I dont think there's anything to be done about it as we'll most certainly never see shootouts during the play-offs.
I wouldnt be one to vote against them though.
about to do that right now thanks for reminding me ;-)
I just copied someone else... don't blame me. >_>
Edit: hahahaha, I just noticed it was you I copied. XD
The Isles have a chance now, I think. DiPietro's been cleared to play. Of course, it's not the goaltending that's the problem, but maybe his retrun will provide some sort of spark.
I dislike four overtimes happening, but I definitely agree with the vein of thought that shootouts ruin outcomes. Look at what it did to the World Cup, handing Germany a loss in a shootout, then having fucking Italy (boooo) win in a shootout. This is an argument that will never really be settled, but, how fair is it to end 60 minutes of effort with a 2 minute shootout when it matters this much? :(
Wow. Sabres. Wow.
I've been a huge fan of Campbell ever since the start of last season right after the lockout: there was just something about his style of play that caught my eye. I remember being really pissed when Ruff scratched him for 3 games... he hasn't missed a game since. He's a great defenseman, throws MONSTER hits, and his offensive presence is on the level of Bourque or Lidstrom. After he scored that first goal, he was on fire, and like they pointed out in the intermission the other guys kept setting him up for shots all the time because his scoring slump ended and he had his confidence back... and he got a second goal. Fucking awesome.
I've been a huge fan of Campbell ever since the start of last season right after the lockout: there was just something about his style of play that caught my eye. I remember being really pissed when Ruff scratched him for 3 games... he hasn't missed a game since. He's a great defenseman, throws MONSTER hits, and his offensive presence is on the level of Bourque or Lidstrom. After he scored that first goal, he was on fire, and like they pointed out in the intermission the other guys kept setting him up for shots all the time because his scoring slump ended and he had his confidence back... and he got a second goal. Fucking awesome.
Having shootouts after a full 20 minutes of OT seems reasonable for the play-offs to me. Maybe have the whole 20 minutes played 4 on 4 like they do during the regular season for that one period although I was never convinced 4 on 4 increases offense.
As for ruining the game, it doesnt at all for me, so I'd tend to disagree, although every hockey purist think the same as you, which is that shootouts shouldnt decide a 60 minutes of game play. As for myself, I never complained about a shootout finish in olympic hockey. If it's part of game, the teams would need to be ready for perhaps having to come down to it.
Purists should stfu and realise they need to sell the game and make it profitable... and shootouts are a fantastic on the edge of your seat moment, it never hurt to have them when it comes to ratings and wont ever.
What I do know though, 7 periods matches hurt the game a whole lot and there need to be a solution brought up to end them. I dont see what else than shootouts could.
I understand your argument and where you're coming from, but I think multiple-overtime hockey games are the most amazingly exciting sports events in the world. Also, I do believe that 4 on 4 hockey is more offensive, because it opens up the ice for more odd-man rushes.
I would break something if shootouts were ever introduced in the playoffs, not because of purity, but because it takes the team element out of it. Also, keep in mind this recent 4th OT game was the sixth longest NHL game ever. There is no way they occur often enough to make fans 'bored' or something dumb like that.
SO HOW BOUT THEM ISLANDERS?
(realistically, I don't see them winning more than one more game, especially the way they almost blew the game)
(realistically, I don't see them winning more than one more game, especially the way they almost blew the game)
You talk like that was one off game. 6th longest ever yes, probably 4 of those 5 other games happened within the last 10 years too. And thats only when you go as far as counting the extremes, it is sad enough there has actually been 5 games that were even longer than that one. That is not counting the numerous 3 OT games that happened recently that are also pretty damn bad.
seriously, do bar that theres-no-way-they-occur-often-enough because it really did happen a shitload in recent years. They definitely happen too much to be a problem right now in my opinion. I swear these days, easily half the games that go in OT will need at least 2 periods of them.
I didnt cry over the fact I had to go to bed eventually and missed the end of that match... and fans getting tired and leaving the arena is maybe only a small issue.. I think the biggest one is to actually try to secure TV deals for a sport that has all the troubles in the world to. What is the excuse you can give when games end up lasting 5 hours instead of 3 and when it happens frequently.
As for shootouts ruining the team element, yeah thats the actual reason shootouts wont ever be accepeted in hockey during the playoffs and I do agree it certainly sort of does. If someone could come up with a better way to end overtime marathons without shootouts, that would be fantastic.
Its a team sport yes, but when a goal is scored in 4 OT against your team and you are on the bench at that moment, I assume you feel as powerless about it as you are watching the shootouts.
I'm saying the problem is actually big enough to warrant doing something about it, even if the cost is taking out a part of the team element of hockey.
also. Shootouts should also have 5 shooters, never understood why they use 3 during the season.
on a side note, penguins sure made a fantastic return tonight! :D I assumed the Sens would roll all over them after watching the 1st match.
After 1 Period of OT teams should go into a powerplay match. for example:
team 1 goes on powerplay
team 2 defends
if team 1 scores team 2 goes on powerplay
if team 1 doesnt score team 2 is given a chance to go on powerplay
(if team 2 scores the game is over)
if team 2 scores team 2 wins for scoring shorthandedgoal
assuming if team 1 doesnt score and team 2 doesnt either you repeat the powerplay match or whatever
team 1 goes on powerplay
team 2 defends
if team 1 scores team 2 goes on powerplay
if team 1 doesnt score team 2 is given a chance to go on powerplay
(if team 2 scores the game is over)
if team 2 scores team 2 wins for scoring shorthandedgoal
assuming if team 1 doesnt score and team 2 doesnt either you repeat the powerplay match or whatever
That is a pretty good suggestion goofball!
Vineon, I do not mean it as a hockey purist, really. For instance, the U.S. college fooball overtime system is pretty ridiculous, but I love it (each team has 25 yards and both teams get a chance until one scores a TD or FG and the other scores either just a FG or nothing). If hockey could come up with something like that, fine, but to make it entirely about chance is just such a lame duck ending. It is like losing a pokemon match you were about to win to a critical hit!
Vineon, I do not mean it as a hockey purist, really. For instance, the U.S. college fooball overtime system is pretty ridiculous, but I love it (each team has 25 yards and both teams get a chance until one scores a TD or FG and the other scores either just a FG or nothing). If hockey could come up with something like that, fine, but to make it entirely about chance is just such a lame duck ending. It is like losing a pokemon match you were about to win to a critical hit!
I kind of like Goof's idea, it is reminiscent of college football's OT system which I think is far superior to the NFL's.
I don't think there's any real threat of fans getting bored of multi-overtime games, because while a lack of scoring tends to make those a tad less interesting in points, the threat of the game's end being impending keeps the excitement up. The main thing I don't really like about it is the sheer length of the games - in what could already be a punishing 7 game series, having to essentially play two consecutive games really limits the chances of a team that played in one of those extremely long games going on and winning their next series, which is not really the reward I like to see given to a team that stuck it out to a win a 6-7 period game.
However
This is also a fairly major problem I think. I'm not sure how big of a deal it would be in the US since pretty much the only channel that would air hockey is ESPN and games end late enough that all that is left on ESPN is the late night loops of Sportscenter/generic NHL/NBA/MLB programs, but if 2+ period overtimes were happening a few times per series I think that pretty much any broadcasting company would have a fairly major problem with it.
That said, I could be horribly wrong but I'm pretty sure they aren't quite that frequent, at least they haven't been in the handful of series I actually get televised here.
I don't think there's any real threat of fans getting bored of multi-overtime games, because while a lack of scoring tends to make those a tad less interesting in points, the threat of the game's end being impending keeps the excitement up. The main thing I don't really like about it is the sheer length of the games - in what could already be a punishing 7 game series, having to essentially play two consecutive games really limits the chances of a team that played in one of those extremely long games going on and winning their next series, which is not really the reward I like to see given to a team that stuck it out to a win a 6-7 period game.
However
Vineon said:
This is also a fairly major problem I think. I'm not sure how big of a deal it would be in the US since pretty much the only channel that would air hockey is ESPN and games end late enough that all that is left on ESPN is the late night loops of Sportscenter/generic NHL/NBA/MLB programs, but if 2+ period overtimes were happening a few times per series I think that pretty much any broadcasting company would have a fairly major problem with it.
That said, I could be horribly wrong but I'm pretty sure they aren't quite that frequent, at least they haven't been in the handful of series I actually get televised here.
Every time I'm about to say that, I remember that it was the Sabres who lost the game, rather than the Islanders who won it.
Don't expect to see another flat performance like that from Buffalo again.
The Red Wings completely dominate yet another game against Calgary. Seriously, it's so one-sided, Calgary hasn't shown up to play at all. The only thing that kept today's game at only 3-1 was Kiprusoff's stellar play.
I wouldn't go that far. Calgary showed up in the second period of game two. And gave the Wings some shit.
As for that series in general I'm very glad Datsyuk has shown up with a pair of goals and I can't remember how many assits plus loads of other scoring chances. That's something we were missing last year around this time when he wasn't 100%.
2-1 Canucks in OT. Eat it Dallas!