Well, I'm not doing this for any of those reasons...I'm doing it to improve my team. I don't like the Bears at all, and I don't even like Matt Forte; he's just an improvement. If I was doing it just cuz he was on my favorite team or because I liked him, I would be trading Tom Brady and Jordy Nelson for like Victor Cruz or something.
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The Official "Complain about being beat by Seattle Defense" Thread
- Thread starter WaterBomb
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Hmm. In my main league, someone is offering me injured Matt Forte for BJGE. I'm thinking about doing it, but I'm concerned because if I trade BJGE and either
(a) Forte is out for a month or more (high ankle sprain makes me think this is the cause), or
(b) Alfred Morris gets benched (this is very likely too),
I'm screwed. However, the possible outcome is great. Should I do it?
(a) Forte is out for a month or more (high ankle sprain makes me think this is the cause), or
(b) Alfred Morris gets benched (this is very likely too),
I'm screwed. However, the possible outcome is great. Should I do it?
BJGE just ran for almost 100 yards against one of the best run defenses for the past several years. He's the #1 guy on a run first offense that plays Cleveland twice and Miami once over the next five weeks. His value is only going to go up over the next several weeks. Hold off on the trade; you're risking a lot going with a Shanahan back as a starter with no one behind him.
In my opinion, trades should only be vetoed in the case of "trade rape" and collusion. Trades can and should be made based on how the owners involved value the players involved. If I think Percy Harvin is going to be a top 5 fantasy WR from here on, who are you to judge me sending Marshawn Lynch or Cam Newton for him? Just because you think one end of the deal is better than the other (hint: they usually are) does not mean you should veto.
For the record, "trade rape" involves trading someone the wrong Adrian Peterson, or someone who was just put on IR, or whoever the Colts' fifth receiver is, for anyone starter worthy. It is not just a trade that is unbalanced, it is a trade that is extraordinarily unbalanced.
In my opinion, trades should only be vetoed in the case of "trade rape" and collusion. Trades can and should be made based on how the owners involved value the players involved. If I think Percy Harvin is going to be a top 5 fantasy WR from here on, who are you to judge me sending Marshawn Lynch or Cam Newton for him? Just because you think one end of the deal is better than the other (hint: they usually are) does not mean you should veto.
For the record, "trade rape" involves trading someone the wrong Adrian Peterson, or someone who was just put on IR, or whoever the Colts' fifth receiver is, for anyone starter worthy. It is not just a trade that is unbalanced, it is a trade that is extraordinarily unbalanced.
How are you improving your team? You're allowing Cutler to start, who isnt Brady, and also trading pretty much a just as good RB for Forte along with another guy who could be starting later on in the year... It isnt just me who thinks this that trade was a joke
Cuter has the potential to get more fantasy points than Brady. Brady always averages like 17 or so because the Patriots have the game locked up by the end of the 3rd a lot of the time and they run it a lot. In my opinion, Forte will get more fantasy points than Ryan Mathews, so that's why. Also, Jacquizz Rodgers won't start; I know that for sure. But meh, believe what you will.
Mathews for Forte is almost fair, frankly I'm not much of a fan of Mathews at all (always injured and ain't proven shit, blah blah blah "potential") but where Forte has been projected as a low-end RB1, Mathews is a high RB2. And in a world where elite fantasy QBs are now first-round picks, Brady is probably similarly above Forte. It's close enough that I can see a 1-for-1 trade going through for any of these players. Forte's contract situation, seething hatred for Brady, whatever... You kids have fun.
Both of them for Forte? With a high-upside handcuff thrown in? It's insulting that you're even attempting to defend this trade. It's a monumentally lopsided offer. I do believe that this isn't actually collusion but dear god I don't blame the veto, as you clearly need protecting from your own stupidity if you actually believe the words you're writing on the page. That trade would absolutely not improve your team, quite the contrary.
Both of them for Forte? With a high-upside handcuff thrown in? It's insulting that you're even attempting to defend this trade. It's a monumentally lopsided offer. I do believe that this isn't actually collusion but dear god I don't blame the veto, as you clearly need protecting from your own stupidity if you actually believe the words you're writing on the page. That trade would absolutely not improve your team, quite the contrary.
If someone had offered me Cam Newton for Tom Brady after week one last year and I accepted the trade, you would have all vetoed it instantly and called me an idiot. Cam Newton ended up outscoring Brady last year and it would have been a pretty good trade for me that would have been denied. Like Killah said, I think vetoes honestly only need to happen for collusion or ridiculously ridiculously lopsided trades (any trade where you receive Matt Forte can never fall under that category, no matter how much you hate the trade). We don't penalise people for reaching in drafts or valuing players differently to everyone else, so why penalise someone who values players differently to you. ShakeItUp may have a legitimate point if he truly believes that the scoring difference from starting Forte over Mathews will be greater then the points lost by starting Cutler over Brady. Similarly, I'm someone who likes having deep teams so even though I lose a little with starting RB (I too value Forte over Mathews), I recoup that in getting some good depth in return. At the end of the day I've said what I needed to say, I hope you guys don't care enough about a fake game to penalise two people wanting to improve their teams but if you feel that strongly about the deal then whatever...
Thats not anywhere near the same as this trade... Its like I said to you earlier, I understand why you'd be mad at the veto but you cant sit here and argue like that trade wasnt absolute BS. I didnt just see the trade and thought, wow im gonna get power hungry and shut this down. I found out about it by checking my email and seeing someone emailed me about the trade. I literally prevented this kid from destroying his team and possibly the season. Hes trading the better of his QB's, and good RB, and another RB with potential upside later in the season all for one RB... Thats not improving his team and that greatly improves your team, which is why you're mad. This trade was phenomenal for you and shitty for him
And lets not pull any life cards here... If you've spent this much arguing about a "fake game" you seemingly care more than anybody else does
Renegotiate? I'd rather just go without to be frank. I gain zero from a Mathews for Forte trade if both are healthy (I like Forte much better but if Mathews is healthy right now I'm in pretty big need of a RB so this is the only one I'd even consider somewhat, but it's probably no) or a Brady for Forte trade (Cam Newton is good, my third running back not so much)...with the way my roster is constructed I just lose massively on them both so just forget about it. Over the years I've seen a lot of crappy trades and just turned the other way, but next time it happens guys I'm going to be very vocal about it, be warned.
Its like I said, I understand it was a good deal for you but you know it was incredibly BS from the start... As far as previous trades, if you wanna take a stab at that cj2k trade from last season it was way way closer in value than this trade was...
Seems like there's been a lot of monster performances this week, and then a lot of duds.
I benched Bowe for Cobb in my money league... feels bad man
ikr, I started Danny Amendola in 2 PPR leagues. Guess that compensates for not getting anything out of Andre80, Brandon Marshall, and Fitzgerald :D.
Well, in the main Smogon league, I'll probably lose unless Roddy White and Demaryius Thomas somehow get less than 13 points between the two of them. Had Cutler > Luck this week, and Aaron Hernandez got hurt. Probably going to be 1-1, bleh.
In the money league, forgot to start a defense this week. Oops. Luckily, I had RG3 and Victor Cruz in the starting lineup. Score! 99% sure I'll win this matchup, since I'm up by 30. Opponent still has Calvin Johnson, but I also still have Roddy White. Thank goodness I had two players get 30+ points, since I had two guys on my team get 0 points, (empty defense slot and Antonio Gates). Also, disappointing Chris Johnson. Should be 2-0.
Guaranteed win in this one. All my opponent's guys are done, and I'm still winning even with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones left to play. Autodraft did wonders for me in this league, haha. Only spot that I'm lacking is at tight end. I have a choice between Fred Davis and Mercedes Lewis. Yeesh. Still, very happy that I'll be 2-0 in this league as well.
In the money league, forgot to start a defense this week. Oops. Luckily, I had RG3 and Victor Cruz in the starting lineup. Score! 99% sure I'll win this matchup, since I'm up by 30. Opponent still has Calvin Johnson, but I also still have Roddy White. Thank goodness I had two players get 30+ points, since I had two guys on my team get 0 points, (empty defense slot and Antonio Gates). Also, disappointing Chris Johnson. Should be 2-0.
Guaranteed win in this one. All my opponent's guys are done, and I'm still winning even with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones left to play. Autodraft did wonders for me in this league, haha. Only spot that I'm lacking is at tight end. I have a choice between Fred Davis and Mercedes Lewis. Yeesh. Still, very happy that I'll be 2-0 in this league as well.
it's kind of bad when all your flukes happen in the same week though, because you feel like they were largely wasted and you didn't need them all. I'd rather spread them out to help me win several games.
Looks like I might be able to squeak out 2 wins this week, but 2-8 in the first two weeks is my worst start ever.
Looks like I might be able to squeak out 2 wins this week, but 2-8 in the first two weeks is my worst start ever.
I'm not so sure they're all flukes though. I mean obviously Reggie Bush isn't going to get 33 every week, but I strongly believe that the four biggest score producers (Newton, Richardson, Bush, Spiller) I had this week can keep up similar production for the whole season. Not quite as epic, but I think they all have potential and they're not just one-and-dones.
The Browns probably won't replicate today's offensive success again the entire season, or at least I wouldn't count on it. Spiller is at most going to be a timeshare when Fred Jackson comes back, unless he gets hurt again of course.
I need 18 points from Roddy White and Matt Bryant tomorrow night to win in my money league, and I need Matt Ryan to outscore Willis McGahee by ~9 points to win in league C. Not to mention I need the Falcons to win because they're my team <3
I need 18 points from Roddy White and Matt Bryant tomorrow night to win in my money league, and I need Matt Ryan to outscore Willis McGahee by ~9 points to win in league C. Not to mention I need the Falcons to win because they're my team <3
The Browns in general won't, but what evidence is there to believe that Trent Richardson can't become a dominant back? I seriously believe he will.
And I'm not really that confident that Fred Jackson is really even coming back lol. Even if he does, the Bills should get the fuck rid of him and realize that CJ Spiller is their beast running back of the future.