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Oh man, I wanted to respond to some of the Snorlax stuff, but I was at work. Oh well. =P
Anyway, voting time.
I personally like Jellicent best, but using my vote on that seems like a total waste of a vote (sad, that.) I'd prefer to give Psychic/Normal Reuniclus more of a fighting chance, as it's an interesting retype that is both useful and not Fairy-related. Tough Claws Drapion is certainly a good buff that could really help Drapion, but I don't think it's quite as interesting.
(I might also have a bias against Drapion for looking stupid and for not being a bug somehow, but this isn't the place to complain about that. =P)
Anyway, voting time.
I personally like Jellicent best, but using my vote on that seems like a total waste of a vote (sad, that.) I'd prefer to give Psychic/Normal Reuniclus more of a fighting chance, as it's an interesting retype that is both useful and not Fairy-related. Tough Claws Drapion is certainly a good buff that could really help Drapion, but I don't think it's quite as interesting.
(I might also have a bias against Drapion for looking stupid and for not being a bug somehow, but this isn't the place to complain about that. =P)
Tough Claws Drapion
I love poison types and it would be interesting to see a Pokemon rely on its poison-type STAB for coverage, in this case against fairies which resist dark.
I love poison types and it would be interesting to see a Pokemon rely on its poison-type STAB for coverage, in this case against fairies which resist dark.
Tough Claws Drapion
Normal/Psychic Reuni sounds kinda cool until I realised that he only has round and hyper beam as normal type attacking options.. and that the discussion is probably going to last a full hour before we run out of things to say
I'll go with Tough Claws Drapion because its a poke that looks like it could have some potential and really hasnt been thought about yet unlike jelli and reuniclus who have already got a lot of spotlight last gen
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Poison Heal Jellicent shouldnt even be on the list since its B-
I'll go with Tough Claws Drapion because its a poke that looks like it could have some potential and really hasnt been thought about yet unlike jelli and reuniclus who have already got a lot of spotlight last gen
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Poison Heal Jellicent shouldnt even be on the list since its B-
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I too was gonna vote for Reuniclus until I realised it doesn't get any viable normal STAB.
So I'm going to have to go with Tough Claws Drapion because Drapion really needs the boost in order to be viable in OU, whilst the others can already be used to decent affect in OU. Plus Drapion has pretty neat typing backed up by an interesting move pool.
So I'm going to have to go with Tough Claws Drapion because Drapion really needs the boost in order to be viable in OU, whilst the others can already be used to decent affect in OU. Plus Drapion has pretty neat typing backed up by an interesting move pool.
Tough Claws Drapion
I was going to vote Reuniclus before I realised that adding Normal-type allows it to check Ghosts... and that's it. Even worse, it loses it's resistance to Fighting (basically the only advantage of being Psychic-type), meaning it can't switch in on Aegi Sacred Sword as well. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed with this slate...
I was going to vote Reuniclus before I realised that adding Normal-type allows it to check Ghosts... and that's it. Even worse, it loses it's resistance to Fighting (basically the only advantage of being Psychic-type), meaning it can't switch in on Aegi Sacred Sword as well. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed with this slate...
For those not voting for Reuniclus just because he lacks good special Normal STAB, why would he even need it? For the sake of arguement, let's say he got Hyper Voice; what would that be doing that Psychic can't? You could say he can hit Psychic- and Dark-types for neutral damage, but Steel-types still resist both Normal and Psychic, and Rock- and Ghost-types can take the opportunity to freely switch in on a Hyper Voice. Focus Blast nails Rock-, Dark-, and Steel-types super effectively, while Shadow Ball does the same for Ghost- and opposing Psychic-types. The only justification I see after that is hitting with STAB on the special side, since most people go with Psyshock, but with the mentioned facts, you may as well be using Psychic. Besides, if he ran 2 STABs, Focus Blast, and Shadow Ball, he loses his niche in being a Trick Room abuser. But even if he got Boomburst (which would be awesome, mind you), giving him a Normal-typing is intended for defensive purposes, to take on Ghost-types much more efficiently, and see if a defensive Psychic-type can leave an impact in OU.
Hit dark types...
I get where your going with some of his coverage moves being better options, but without a secondary STAB all this change does for him grant him and immunity to a type he was weak to, but gets rid of one of his best resistances. It simply isn't enough.
If Reuniclus were to gain Normal-type, it would gain immunity to Ghost and a neutrality to Fighting. Valmanway established that Normal isn't very useful offensively on Reuniclus; unfortunately, it doesn't look as though it holds much weight from a defensive perspective either... Aside from Aegislash, Ghost is actually a fairly uncommon attacking type among the top threats (the only other common Ghost is Gengar, most other things prefer Dark coverage); and it loses an important resistance, meaning Crumbler and Gengar can still do a decent amount of damage with Sacred Sword and Focus Blast on the switch. Meanwhile, Knock Off and Pursuit are still super effective and Reuniclus can't come in safely on a predicted Fighting move anymore from, say, Conkeldurr. Is Aegislash really that big of a deal?
Yes. It is basically the number one reason why bulletproof metagross was proposed. Is also the main reasons why bulletproof Chesnaught is used in some stall teams.
I vote for Psychic/Normal Reuniclus
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I didnt vote for him because without a normal stab, the discussion becomes almost as simple as a list of his new resistances/weaknesses. Not to say that type changes are boring discussions in general, but reuniclus already has a very particular role in the meta that has been discussed loads, and normal typing isnt going to change- and doesnt give any options to change, due to no normal STAB. Its going to make him better, but I dont really want to disucss it because it'd be a pretty boring discussion imo.
Tough Claws Drapion
A pokemon that could really put Tough Claws to use. Don't think Reuniclus benefits much from Normal type except for Aegislash.
A pokemon that could really put Tough Claws to use. Don't think Reuniclus benefits much from Normal type except for Aegislash.
Tough Claws Drapion
Jellicent will be dropped to D rank or get removed from the list in the next days, so that's not an issue.Pipotchi said:
Voting is closed. Here are the results:
Tough Claws Drapion: 34
Poison Heal Jellicent: 1
Psychic / Normal Reuniclus: 16
So, our winner is:
Also, keep in mind that the next voting will include the 4 suggestions that made it second in the past 4 voting rounds.
Well the first thing that come in mind with that double type : it is a good check for aegislash and fairy mons (bar Mawile and Klefki), it is also a good check for Venusaur as it resist its two stab. However i don't think a SD set could work as it will lack sucker punch in order to hit the fast threats. Maybe a trapper set with pursuit+ AV could work.
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