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In previous posts of yours you've gloated about being a "Nazi hunter." I have my doubts anyone in actual, legitimate research circles studying the far-right would label themselves as what's basically a vigilante. It sounds more like you browse Twitter circles, especially since random Twitter posts are used as your sources, to troll people. That's not studying genocides. If you were to actually study them you'd perhaps see that what's happening in Gaza is in fact, without question, a genocide.
Yes faint literally all i do is look at twitter and call it research, that's why I'm pulling out academic papers on biowarfare and 7 year old antifascist resources, because it's actually Twitter informing me. Quit projecting, I'm not the one whose summary of their activism amounts to "posting really hard."
All I've used twitter for in my recent activism is to contact some guy in the Netherlands because his documentation project wants me to contribute research on a powerful European neo-Nazi. I read twitter from time to time because it's still the primary platform hosting information on far-right organisations and announcements on developments, in addition to now hosting most far-right organisations. All it's good for is contacting people for inquiries when email doesn't work (and it now sucks at that too). Is this just going to be a repeat of the last Politics thread with Myzo accusing me of lying about being hospitalised at Pride? Because it sure seems this is where we're headed.
You can lecture me on genocide the day Joe Biden has an ICC warrant for genocide. Until then, "Joe Biden is a genocidal racist" is just a great way for me to know your opinions on genocide or the Hamas-Israel war should be taken as seriously as flat earth theory or the people who think drinking bleach solution cures their UTIs. That reminds me, what have you done for Gazans? I made considerable ground on the issue with my MP, i have contacts ranging from the encampment to Hillel to prevent escalations. Despite the fact that I just had to kiss my baby cousin goodbye, I'm still fucking offering to work on yesterday's case of a frat targeting the encampment with threats.
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Is your entire schick that Netanyahu is not commiting a genocide because if he was, Joe Biden would have a warrant from the ICC too? Because I don't understand how talking about a Jewish organization is a defense against the Israeli government commiting genocide. I understand it must be difficult to have your entire upbringing shattered. I would love for Joe Biden to be questioned by the ICC but I'm sure now that I said this you'll just call me a centrist liberal and deflect even more.
You effectively telling me to call my congressman is just silly. I have and will continue to donate to humanitarian organizations fighting to save the lives of Palestinians even if I know the aid will never make it to them. Enjoy your Nazi hunting and be careful to turn a blind eye to right-wing Israelis because you'll be labeled an anti-semite otherwise.
You effectively telling me to call my congressman is just silly. I have and will continue to donate to humanitarian organizations fighting to save the lives of Palestinians even if I know the aid will never make it to them. Enjoy your Nazi hunting and be careful to turn a blind eye to right-wing Israelis because you'll be labeled an anti-semite otherwise.
I don't think it leads to a productive 'discussion,' but I think it's important to do nonetheless. If someone with a history of Israel apologia hits 'like' on a post where someone implies Palestinians are 'barbaric,' I'm not sure we can think of that as just a fun silly Luvdisc button. To me, it is an interesting and public form of support for a clearly racist comment. I don't think it's out-of-bounds to question that. More importantly, it provides context to her posts where she engages directly in genocide apologia. Clearly she is smart enough to avoid saying anything blatant that would see her punished by the mods (see her reply below), so maybe it's on us to connect the dots and push back a little bit. I would say that that's the bare minimum.
edit: I do want to clarify that I agree that in general it's kind of a waste of time to worry about people's silly luvdisc button clicks. I actually wish the feature didn't exist. I think it was important to point out in this particular instance, though
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Yeah pretty much. I love some of the crazy hot takes here, even if I don't agree with them I do appreciate that people take the time to post them all well knowing they're about to stir up a hornets nest. Half the time I don't even full read the posts, I just see the user name and hit like because the next 5-6 posts are going to be really funny. If people with wild right / centrist views don't post here this place ends up feeling sort of boring.
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Man it's so awesome that you've had to construct a completely made up person to attack because you couldn't stand to refute anything I've actually said. You're actually trying to lecture me because you donated once. That's hysterical. And let's be clear here, I and several people I associate with pressured my local representative to take better positions on the conflict. The fact that you're disdainful at the very notion of just talking to your local representative, let alone actively campaigning just goes to show how little you'll actually do to actively try changing the situation. Don't pretend you care when you're really just trying to turn Arab and Jewish suffering into a vehicle for your own agenda against the Democrats.
And don't you fucking tell me you aren't when you're telling us "i want Biden to be questioned by the ICC." The people who actually investigate war crimes don't want anything to do with this sort of nonsense.
Do you ever read your own posts before deciding to reply? Even if you were right about me this would be the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. It's insane you're still allowed to post here.
What does this even mean? There is an active warrant out for Netanyahu by the ICC. YOU DO KNOW THAT RIGHT????
This is a reminder/warning that this thread is about politics, not about how people are posting, or how they are fucking liking posts. This is not a thread for petty squabbles.
You can disagree and challenge people's beliefs without suggesting they are somehow lesser beings than you for holding such beliefs. It's one thing to disagree and to think those beliefs are ridiculous, it's another to insinuate they are stupid for holding those beliefs. Furthermore, this is not a thread for deep dives into people's posting history.
Further hostile posts will be deleted and infracted with extreme prejudice.
You can disagree and challenge people's beliefs without suggesting they are somehow lesser beings than you for holding such beliefs. It's one thing to disagree and to think those beliefs are ridiculous, it's another to insinuate they are stupid for holding those beliefs. Furthermore, this is not a thread for deep dives into people's posting history.
Further hostile posts will be deleted and infracted with extreme prejudice.
this is an extreme misrepresentation @ deep dives, mrhands specifically asked lilyhollow to elaborate what it was they were referring to about the pro-fascist posts she had liked etc. lilyhollow chose generously to spend time answering this question when they could have j chosen to ignore it or assumed that it was insincere, and now you are literally attacking lilyhollow for if anything engaging in the conduct that you are supposedly claiming to encourage, to show gentleness etc to other users even when we may be appalled by what they are saying. instead your choice to respond in this way communicates to lilyhollow that in the future they should not answer questions people ask them in this thread, or at least questions asked from right-wingers bc a response will be taken out of context and used to attack, and that such manipulative action is likely to be supported if not carried out by moderators.
at best, you didnt really read and chose to step in as a moderator without considering that you shouldnt try to moderate something u have only skimmed (if you dont have capacity to read before moderating then lets find people who do). or at worst, you know perfectly well that lilyhollow only wrote that whole msg out bc mrhands requested it and deliberately chose to slander lilyhollow in this way, maybe to try to create the impression that there are "personal attacks" from "both sides" but obv thats just speculation which unfortunately is all i can do due to the lack of effective moderator communication. (to be clear, im only speaking for myself i havent talked to lilyhollow or anyone else before writing this msg.)
so once again we return to the questions of moderator standards and accountability, which every previous time such has been brought up the chosen response was just to delete any and every message that mentioned moderation standards (with no explanation). to be clear, im not saying that like mods should be #judged for evthg that every other or prior mod has done, but i think it is necessary to address what is at this point the elephant in the room, that moderators do not have many people's trust right now when it comes to politics especially about palestine due to the history of repressive violence against users who speak out against zionism white supremacy and imperialism. and not that theres like a single statement that can regain such trust, but it would be a start to not delete every single post that either mentions that history of repression, or asks about what moderation will look like going forward which is p necessary especially if u are asking users to change behavior(s).
for example regarding the msg this is replying to, it is hard to know exactly what it is that moderator(s) [idk if this msg is just from oglemi or represents the position of moderators as a whole] have in mind with this request, particularly when the bolded sentence is such a severe misrepresentation of the only thing that it could possibly be referring to. and putting the slander about lilyhollow aside ie the bolded statement as well as the other sentence about "liking posts", the other statements are a bit vague esp "hostile communication," it might be more helpful if you were to quote examples from prior posts to explain precisely what u are referring to, 1 so that you are more clearly communicating the standards u want for the thread 2 so that there can be any discussion if needed if ppl see what happened differently or etc (particularly given the gross misrepresentation of lilyhollows post), 3 u might not view this aspect as important but from my pov, so that it feels like theres more effort from moderators, every moderation post in this thread has been v brief and not v specific, the msg im replying to is probably more specific than any prior mod post and 30-40% of it is slander so.
for example, in general id prob be inclined to agree about personal attacks, but if u are referring to msgs from boo then idt theres much of a difference between several earlier msgs in this thread and the recent ones, was this j waiting to see if theyd change before saying something or is there a change from the pov of mods. also saying that millions of (leftists or whatever wording) "should" be disenfranchised which was the main thing to me that was rly inflammatory, idk if thats a 'personal attack' on other ppl in the thread, imo its 'problematic' bc it suggests that ppl's basic rights are contingent on something as absurd as whether u voted in a pres election and also sounds like it implies support for mass purging of voter rolls and other forms of voter suppression that are ofc forms of white supremacist settler colonial violence. but again i dont even know if thats the sentence that moderator(s) are referring to / that got boo an icbb because the descriptions of moderation standards are too vague (with the exception of the slandering of lilyhollow).
the greater the effort from mods and the more specific u can be about your moderation standards, we can hash things out to either reach a collective agreement on moderation standards or at least have everyone know where things stand even if there isnt consensus about how things 'should' be moderated.
The state of US horse-race journalism, folks. CNN is flabbergasted to find a “historic shift among black voters” towards the felon. Of course, there is no evidence of such other than these polls with questionable cross tabs. The same polls that just a few weeks ago had Maryland Senate candidate Angela Alsobrooks losing to David Trone in nearly every poll. How are the polls consistently off by 15-20% since Dobbs? It begs the question…
Who’s cooking the books and why?
Who’s cooking the books and why?
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To clarify, everything I mention in this post is a hypothetical scenario or a concern. I don't know enough about this topic to say that any of it is true, hence why I'm asking people here given I imagine many are more politically literate and active then I am
I've been curious about the effect of Artificial Intelligence on elections for awhile. Particularly in an age rife with disinformation, things like deep fakes and bots set to promote a certain worldview have been concerning to me. Does anyone know if there safeguards in place to protect people from these things in countries that are having elections this year? And if someone knows there are, do you think they're effective?
I've been curious about the effect of Artificial Intelligence on elections for awhile. Particularly in an age rife with disinformation, things like deep fakes and bots set to promote a certain worldview have been concerning to me. Does anyone know if there safeguards in place to protect people from these things in countries that are having elections this year? And if someone knows there are, do you think they're effective?
Stuff like deepfakes aren't really the issue, the issue is public abandonment of any pursuit of objective truth in favour of whatever fits their desires. People already believe Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and Lady Gaga and Chrissy Teigen are all child molestors based on posts to a forum run by a known child predator that was delisted from google for hosting child abuse images. Plenty of the prominent organisations and people accusing Joe Biden of "genocide" have themselves supported genocides around the world for the past decade, often longer. In fact, there's now growing fractures among groups like PSL running "Gaza solidarity" demonstrations and Black and MENA leftists over support for the genocide in Tigray and Assad's ethnic cleansing campaigns targeting Palestinians. I think the real issues in this regard are bad faith and the rhetorical tactics being deployed, not the technologies.
What you are describing are simply image and opinion manipulation tools that enable people to more easily justify behaviours they already engage in. I would be more concerned about what it means for the willingness of others to accept evidence to begin with. But that isn't a new problem either, we already ran into that issue nine years ago when the public started to learn how psychometrics could be leveraged to actively shape public opinion through political messaging catered to specific psychological profiles. I think the more pertinent questions on AI and technology from scholars focus on how these tools structure access to knowledge and learning, whether that's understood as the "division of learning," "digital colonialist" information asymmetries, or denial of "epistemic agency."
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The UN Human Rights Office says Israel is carrying out an extermination of Palestinians
More Palestinians dead in an attack on a designated safe zone, hospitals are understaffed and under supplied
Shocking no one, the IDF approved an offensive on Lebanon, declaring that they'll wipe out Hezbollah
In who gives a shit news, the US wants you to know they're very upset with Netanyahu's recent video message about his meeting with Blinken. Sources tell me this is a very big deal and not just political theater.
More Palestinians dead in an attack on a designated safe zone, hospitals are understaffed and under supplied
Shocking no one, the IDF approved an offensive on Lebanon, declaring that they'll wipe out Hezbollah
In who gives a shit news, the US wants you to know they're very upset with Netanyahu's recent video message about his meeting with Blinken. Sources tell me this is a very big deal and not just political theater.
Comp Sci. nerd here, as of right now AI is not that important to elections. For the average person it's basically a toy, and for companies it's just an excuse to offhand more labor to The Abyss.
The real politics of AI (generative, that's what we are really talking about, Generative AI) is how it is impacting our lives. The answer is negatively. AI is very bad at giving accurate information, and when it does it's often just plagiarized. That is nothing to say about the art side, and how it is not only an affront to the pockets of struggling artists, but also is an affront to the nature of credit and goodwill.
I've seen some of my fellow leftists say that "GenAI would not be a problem under communism" or whatever, but that's not true either. People still plagiarize without economic incentive because the art world has other currencies: Respect, Clout and Legacy.
Another field the GenAI is trying to get into is, ironically, coding. As a programmer myself, I can tell you that ChatGPT is extremely shoddy at coding for numerous reasons (Can this code be worked off of later into the project? Is it forward-thinking? Does this spawn any problems down the road? Any time I've gotten GPT to give me anything of use, it would have to be rewritten later as it didn't fit the larger scope of the project.), but the industry is still trying to find ways to get AI to debug or quicken the process. This is another threat to jobs and also not too likely any time soon, but it is worrying.
Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc. have been implementing AI assistants or just giving you AI results when you search for things, which is a real misinformation scare, far more than any election interference. AI doesn't make them smarter; it makes them regurgitators but regurgitating it with a newly generated script, regurgitated with the same intelligence level as before. This poses a genuine health and safety risk to our society, and must be regulated. Now.
Lastly, deepfakes and AI generations of real people have been majorly problematic in one area (outside of Facebook, that is): Revenge porn. There has been a lot of cases in the last year of people creating revenge porn with GenAI images, which while being a more "petty" form of GenAI abuse compared to election interference, also is genuinely scary for the future. There will be no official sources saying if that picture of you doing something awful is real or not, if your employer sees it and doesn't have a keen eye, it could be a problem, or it could even more pettily ruin relationships.
My political opinion is simple: I believe in a full ban of GenAI, but as that is essentially impossible at this point, I believe anything generated by an AI should be watermarked and digitally imprinted (in the case of a file) to try to make it even harder for the average non-tech-savvy person to just pass it off as fake. I believe that any work under copyright should be banned from being used to train AI (do not believe the companies, leaks has shown literally evil-ass people in their Discords/Slacks giddy from the thought of training the data on small artists), or face major fines. These companies should be strictly regulated. I also do not think any code that has been written by AI (this would require an arbitrary metric) should be allowed to be used in commercial products unless thoroughly reviewed (also would require an arbitrary metric), not just to disincentivize AI replacing jobs, but because you do not want cars on the street that have been coded using GenAI for fucks sake.
PSL is a proto-fascist cult that among other things is literally worse than capitalist society in how it treats survivors of interpersonal violence, see for example <https://fashbusters.wordpress.com/tag/steven-powers/>
(edit: this link is not the ideal reference but since after PSL weaponized the State against g.a. her own statements are no longer public, this is the 'best' reference im aware of. mainly for dakota's statement at the bottom)
and there are and have been plenty of other fake-left organizations that have engaged in violence toward survivors of ipv and done various other things that clearly do/did not align with their supposed principles, eg ISO, NCP-LC to name a couple that i can speak to.
literally no one in this thread has defended PSL or any other fake-left org and it is ridiculous that boo keeps bringing up unrelated things as supposed evidence that (either there is no genocide in gaza, or that the US government who is and has been the supplier of 99% of the zionist entity's weapons and entire military apparatus for 80 years is somehow not responsible for the continuously escalating genocide since the nakba that has always been central to the zionist project, and that US imperialism benefits from and knows is an inherent part of its choice to maintain the zionist entity as a 'client-state' or whatever wording u want to use, and obv regardless of the performative statements of politicians. i can never tell which of these two positions boo is taking but they are equally ridiculous and are both forms of genocide denial ("acknowledging" a genocide is meaningless if you divert blame away from the primary party responsible for the genocide.)
(edit: this link is not the ideal reference but since after PSL weaponized the State against g.a. her own statements are no longer public, this is the 'best' reference im aware of. mainly for dakota's statement at the bottom)
and there are and have been plenty of other fake-left organizations that have engaged in violence toward survivors of ipv and done various other things that clearly do/did not align with their supposed principles, eg ISO, NCP-LC to name a couple that i can speak to.
literally no one in this thread has defended PSL or any other fake-left org and it is ridiculous that boo keeps bringing up unrelated things as supposed evidence that (either there is no genocide in gaza, or that the US government who is and has been the supplier of 99% of the zionist entity's weapons and entire military apparatus for 80 years is somehow not responsible for the continuously escalating genocide since the nakba that has always been central to the zionist project, and that US imperialism benefits from and knows is an inherent part of its choice to maintain the zionist entity as a 'client-state' or whatever wording u want to use, and obv regardless of the performative statements of politicians. i can never tell which of these two positions boo is taking but they are equally ridiculous and are both forms of genocide denial ("acknowledging" a genocide is meaningless if you divert blame away from the primary party responsible for the genocide.)
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uhhhhhhh my thoughts about Israel and Palestine. While the terrorist people that controll palistine‘s area are….bad, it is no excuse for Israle to be bombing Palestine schools/hospitals etc. there is no good ending to this. It’s War criminals (not genralizing Israe, just sorta what the Israel government is doing) vs. terrorists and with a bunch of innocent people in the middle
I have been lurking and not willing to reply to things here, but this specifically is very interesting to me. At least enough to respond too. First off, the ICC point is baffling. If someone here let's say starts calling Bashar-Al-Assad Genocidal, If I pointed out that the ICC does not have a warrant for him. I would be rightly mocked and laughed at. Of course, Biden is not committing a genocide but is instead funding, supporting, and providing political and legal protection for multiple, whether that be Israel or Rwanda to name Two. Assuming people have done nothing for People in Gaza, when even just speaking out is better than being quiet. This person could have also donated or protested too. It feels really weird for a person defending a genocidal regime and who supports them to try to care about what someone has done for the victims of said genocide. The idea of gatekeeping if people actually care for the issue whether they do whatever subjective things you do to support that cause is toxic and an issue I have with the left has in general. Assuming the rest of what you posted is true, I would really suggest continuing to do those good actions, and stop being toxic and seemingly blind hatred for anyone who criticized our supreme dear leader, Joe.
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While I do not condone toxicity, I agree there are frustrating sentiments on the topic. As boo pointed out, Biden the Democrats do not have the kind of leverage on this issue that the most vocal critics are suggesting.
Domestically, Biden is caught between some very competing elements- anti-semitic actors, anti-Muslim/Islamic actors, pro-Israel constituencies and lobby, Muslim and Middle Eastern American constituencies, and the activists who just protest for the sake of protesting. All of these factions are somewhat in the “tent” for better or for worse.
Criticism of Biden is healthy and democratic. That said, it should be stressed that the most meaningful criticism comes from people who actually voted (especially for Biden) rather than from people who criticize just for the sake of bitching. It also should be in context. The whole discussion Is moot if the felon wins in November, as we know how much he cares for innocent Palestinians. If that happens hopefully all the protesters keep that same energy.
the entity that controls gaza is the settler Israeli government. hamas does not have any authority over gaza, the zionist state removed any palestinian authority over gaza after the 2006 'elections' (the majority of the current population of gaza was not born yet in 2006)
I mentioned the PSL because its own positions are not far off from where a lot of these takes in this thread go.
The calculus of continued military aid to Israel (which I do not support continuing for several reasons) is much more complicated than simply "pulling out ends the genocide." The primary issue, which I'm sure I've said before in this thread, is that aid has no impact on Israel's actions and that withdrawing it will deleverage the United States over Israeli foreign policy entirely, which is also why a considerable section of Israel's militant far-right supports rejecting aid from America. The other issue is that sudden policy shifts do not incentivise compliance, which is why the US implements sanctions on adversaries in phases. Insisting the States is the primary party responsible for enabling the genocide is ridiculous when the relationship of the States and Israel has been fraying and become increasingly partisan for the past decade and a half.
Also: I've contributed to Fashbusters. Thanks for supporting your local antifascists!
The fact the ICC did not seek to prosecute Assad isn't relevant, Syria isn't party to Rome and the Security Council deadlocked on the issue, whereas the ICC is seeking preliminary investigations of the parties of the Israel-Hamas conflict and has entirely excluded the United States, because, and I cannot stress this enough, legal questions of US participation in genocide lack genuine standing.
This also doesn't have to do with people being critical of Biden, it has everything to do with hysterical language being used to justify a refusal to do the most basic action to prevent the fascists from taking power. Accusing Biden of genocide isn't usually grounded in earnest belief, it's a rhetorical tactic associated in the West with people who have long track records of supporting genocide literally everywhere else. I'm pretty damn critical of Biden since inauguration, especially on the legal front. His failure to invoke the Insurrection Act and stack SCOTUS following a partisan coup by the Republicans is what separates him from the likes of Lincoln or FDR. But that doesn't change that voting for every single Democrat on every single ballot at every level of government (and encouraging everyone to do the same) is the single most impactful thing a person can do to keep fascists from attaining institutional power in the primary global superpower.
Control over Gaza (especially now) isn't clear cut. Hamas had practical control over Gaza and has seen renewed public support because of Israel's bombing campaign. Since the conflict started, Israel has had territorial control but not political control.
However, if we're talking about legitimacy with the international community, Hamas 100% lacks authority over Gaza and Fatah should be given international backing to reassert authority over the Strip
I strongly agree with this but I disagree with the policy prescriptions. I do not support banning GAI, but OpenAi and other companies soliciting investors should be subject to FCC investigations. Their products are functionally useless outside of comedy. I don't think banning the tech does anything, what there needs to be is greater legal liability for the production of nonconsensual sexual imagery and for bullshitting in commercial contexts.
But all those stories about ChatGPT being used for assignments are mostly bullshit. If using ChatGPT gives you a good mark, you are overpaying for your education.
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Going to mainly respond to the 2nd paragraph because the first is you not understanding that I was mocking your argument not trying to make a point about Syria. When it comes to hypocrisy from the left about genocides, that happens a lot like any other wide ranging political side. Different groups and people on the left have different goals, agendas, and messages to push. Some are pro-Chinese so will ignore their genocide but be critical of Israel's. Some might excuse actions done by leftists' governments and push the blame elsewhere. Trying to portray a wide movement of people as if they are all genocide supporters somewhere, but do not like Israel's borders on a dangerous lack of critical thinking. There are leftists who do not support genocides no matter by what country, group, org, etc. If you want to say calling Biden Genocide Joe, genocidal, or racists is wrong feel free to argue why. Instead, you focus on how some people who call him that are not morally consistent and ignore any argument, any reasoning to back your view outside generalization of people you disagree with which makes me doubt that you even want to try to prove your point, but just discredit anyone calling Biden Genocidal. I don't agree that Genocide Joe is hysterical, because what else do I call someone who has given aid, international political pressure for, and public support for multiple countries committing genocides.
a few things here maybe worth addressing. primarily, that this argument reflect a point of view that imagines a alternate version of the settler zionist state that is not genocidal. the current escalation makes more clear than ever that peaceful zionism is a fantasy, the zionist state's existence is founded on the maintainence of gaza as an open air prison and the ongoing theft of land in the west bank. in addition to the material conditions, there are the ideological conditions ie the obvious fact that the israeli settler population today is even further right than the government and is not interested in the amerikkkan peaceful-zionism fantasy.
to have a discussion on trying to sway israeli policy, not through force but through some sort of 'persuasion', is to close off the only actual solution for ending the palestinian genocide, the abolition of the zionist settler-colonial project. obviously, every additional aid to israel makes it more militarily and economically powerful and takes us further from the goal of a state that is so weakened and isolated that it is *forced* to cede its authority as an occupying power.
even if it were plausible that the us government could negotiate some sort of 'deal' where israel gets more military power in exchange for some short term concessions, which neither is there evidence that this is something the US government is trying to do nor any reason to think that it would be "effective", this would be increasing israel's power and therefore guaranteed to worsen the lives of the palestinian people over the long term bc a more powerful israeli state necessarily means a prolongation of the palestinian genocide bc the former cannot exist without inflicting the latter. (and it is very clear from eg the bds call that palestinian society does not accept such a trade off).
the most effective way to pressure the zionist state would obv be to cut off the weapons supply that it is dependent on for this genocide, and then to isolate it economically through sanctions etc (which the US ofc does on a regular basis against 'enemy' governments); the fact that it is not doing this makes very obvious that the US wants to preserve its client-state relationship with the zionist entity regardless of what that state does, and ofc that is why amerikkka chooses to continue arming one of its favorite allies.
second, but ill be brief bc others have alr tried to express this iirc, this j totally inverts the reality of the power dynamics and agency. the US is the most powerful imperialist state in world history, its military is far stronger than the rest of the world's combined. the israeli state has ofc been gifted so much military tech etc by the world's #1 imperial terrorist over so many decades so it does by now have p advanced military apparatus etc but still it does not have the capacity to wage a war at this scale with its own weaponry. and its not like there are other governments supplying israel weapons (unlike at some times in the past eg when it received large weapons supplies from other US client states such as the Pinochet dictatorship). yes there are some settler far right groups who talk about stop using us weapons but this is rhetoric not something that is actually practicable. (of course, every year that the US govt continues to give israel billions of $ of weapons, gets the zionist state closer to the point where it is not dependent on US weapons.) furthermore, the US govt is well aware over all these decades of supporting the zionist state that its support enables genocidal terror campaigns that the zionsit state could not pull off otherwise. the US govt at best does not care and at worst actively wants palestinian genocide and any other terrorism that would make the zionist entity, its 'client-state', more powerful in the region. the mythology you are promoting that Biden is continuing to send weapons for genocide as some sort of negotiating tactic requires pretending that the history of amerikkkan support for the palestinian genocide started on october 7-8 since there was not even a pretense of any negotiations prior to the current escalation of genocide. biden has advocated for support of zionist terror for decades. and we have already seen a v similar playbook of empty gestures toward peace eg with the oslo accords, yet you choose to ignore an 80 year history of genocide and instead choose to believe a politician's statements that they are "rly trying to end" the war that they are near-singlehandedly financing because....??? a politician's job is literally to be good at lying.
Your mockery doesn't make sense, because the ICC doesn't deal with crimes outside of member parties. Palestine is a party to Rome, so perpetrators in Palestine are liable. This isn't a hard concept to wrap one's head around, the opinion of the international body for prosecuting genocide matters infinitely more to me than anyone's in this thread, especially as it is currently investigating the genocide in question. I totally reject the idea that interrogating moral consistency on genocides isn't valid. Genocide allegations are often abused to create conditions for further genocidal politics.
I already addressed Jill Stein as the example used by someone else of a supposedly principled candidate who does not support genocide. I'm not generalising entire movements, I'm addressing the endpoint of where this shit goes.
Not even bothering to read past this point because Amerikkkans insisting they have the right to tell others whose countries shouldn't exist shouldn't be listened to. The only solution is a two-state solution. Period. Any demand to the contrary necessarily entails ethnic cleansing on premise, and de-facto entails the purge of Arabs from contemporary Palestine entirely. Anyone pretending otherwise is deluded at best and does not understand the dynamics and history of the conflict, or just simply doesn't give a shit about the Arabs they pretend to advocate for.
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