Im going to make some changes that have mentioned, but not all of them just yet! I still some need more discussion.
With the new definitions, Magneton is going to stay in D for now, as i mentioned in my other post, its a very specific niche pokemon, and while it is usable on some teams, its usually not the right fit (especially because it only traps like two things, lol). Im going to move hariyama up to C for now, feel free to argue against this if you want!
Im also going to move whimsicott up to B simply because i feel it fills the definition of a "niche pokemon" better than anything. Prankster Stun Spore and Encore are both very notable moves, and with all the support moves it gets, its one of the best momentum grabbers in the tier, subseed whimsicott should be in E, though.
Some other proposed changes include Rhydon to D (da fuq!!!!), Tauros to B, Rotom-N to S, and escavalier to A. Im going to have to honestly say i dont agree with a single one of these proposals, but we'll see!
Another proposal thats been recently brought up on irc is to move Lilligant to S tier, and im going to have to agree. Lets look at what Lilligant can do, shall we? Lilligant has a combination of one of the best boosting moves in the game (Quiver Dance). A decently accurate full stop to the majority of the pokemon that can stop it (Sleep Powder). As well as a high base 110 special attack, 90 speed, okay bulk, access to a healing move and recovery move in one, and decent enough coverage with hidden power. The reasoning for moving Lilligant up to S rank is simple. If you can force a switch with Lilligant (rather easy because of shit like Gatr, tops, and Slowking/Lanturn, Lilligant can get a free boost as they switch to their best check. From there Lilligant can usually simply put this check to sleep with sleep powder (with the exception of bouffalant and other things with sap sipper/insomnia), and possibly set up another quiver dance to sweep. Lilligant's decent bulk also allows it to get past priority, only taking 60% or so from entei's banded extremespeed, putting absol to sleep, and resisting aqua jet. I thought lilligant's coverage issues got in the way a lot more than they actually do, and in practice, lilligant is in fact, a badass that is capable of destroying any team without a solid counter given the opportunity. TL;DR the ease of which lilligant can set up, its ability to shut down its counters, and its capability to sweep the majority of teams without a hard counter make Lilligant deserving of S rank imo.
In summary, official changes are:
1) Whimsicott UP from C rank to B rank
2) Magneton STAYS D Rank
3) Hariyama UP from D rank to C rank
Proposed changes include:
Rhydon DOWN from B rank to D rank (what the fuck)
Tauros DOWN from A rank to B rank,
Rotom-N UP from A rank to S rank,
Escavalier DOWN from S rank to A rank.
Lilligant UP from A rank to S rank
discuss