Genesect
should've been top 3 really though >: (
should've been top 3 really though >: (
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The Top 10 Titans of the 5th Gen OU Metagame [VOTING OVER]
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excadrill
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The voting for the #6 spot ends here! Here are the results
Excadrill: 11
Genesect: 10
Dragonite: 3
Scizor: 1
Latios: 1
Wow! The voting for this spot was so close that it almost had to be decided by a tiebreaker. At first, Excadrill seemed to have a clear shot at victory, but then out of nowhere, Genesect votes came pouring out, to a point where it was only 1 vote off of Excadrill himself. Once again, Genesect was given the shaft, and instead Excadrill has taken its place on this list. Although most of the Pokemon have found their place on this list because of their ability to create an entire playstyle or were once deemed unbeatable, Excadrill has a place on this list for forcing the tier to adapt to it, and it alone. The amount of gimmicks, limits, and playstyles that this Pokemon forced the tier to run is absolutely insane. It made Choice Scarfers almost obsolete because of its ability to outspeed even the fastest of Scarfers such as Latios and OHKO them. If you weren't running an opposing weather like rain, sun, or hail, you were at an automatic disadvantage, because now Excadrill could come in at any time without having to worry about Abomasnow, Politoed, or Ninetales from slowing it down. People even started using shit like Trace Gardevoir to outspeed it and KO it with Focus Blast, which was an unreliable strategy anyway. Priority Mach Punch and Aqua Jet were almost a necessity on any weatherless, which caused Breloom and Azumarill to skyrocket in usage. Gliscor and Skarmory were required on balanced or stall teams if they wanted to have a chance at beating this thing. It got so bad that people were starting to run a Jolly variant JUST to outspeed the opposing standard Adamant variants. Air Balloon was one of the best items in OU at the time because it enabled things like Heatran and Magnezone to revenge kill it. There's many more reasons as to why Excadrill is deserving of this spot, but I feel like I said what most people have already said. This mole truly is a titan of OU, in almost every way.
Alright the voting has begun! We are going to be voting for the #7 spot. You're not required to write any sort of description about your vote, but if you want to then you're more then welcome to. From now on, I would highly advise you to write a few sentences explaining your vote, or else your vote may be more open to disagreement. The voting will always last for 2-4 days, as I feel that is more than enough time to cast your votes. Happy voting!
Excadrill: 11
Genesect: 10
Dragonite: 3
Scizor: 1
Latios: 1
Excadrill is the Winner!
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Wow! The voting for this spot was so close that it almost had to be decided by a tiebreaker. At first, Excadrill seemed to have a clear shot at victory, but then out of nowhere, Genesect votes came pouring out, to a point where it was only 1 vote off of Excadrill himself. Once again, Genesect was given the shaft, and instead Excadrill has taken its place on this list. Although most of the Pokemon have found their place on this list because of their ability to create an entire playstyle or were once deemed unbeatable, Excadrill has a place on this list for forcing the tier to adapt to it, and it alone. The amount of gimmicks, limits, and playstyles that this Pokemon forced the tier to run is absolutely insane. It made Choice Scarfers almost obsolete because of its ability to outspeed even the fastest of Scarfers such as Latios and OHKO them. If you weren't running an opposing weather like rain, sun, or hail, you were at an automatic disadvantage, because now Excadrill could come in at any time without having to worry about Abomasnow, Politoed, or Ninetales from slowing it down. People even started using shit like Trace Gardevoir to outspeed it and KO it with Focus Blast, which was an unreliable strategy anyway. Priority Mach Punch and Aqua Jet were almost a necessity on any weatherless, which caused Breloom and Azumarill to skyrocket in usage. Gliscor and Skarmory were required on balanced or stall teams if they wanted to have a chance at beating this thing. It got so bad that people were starting to run a Jolly variant JUST to outspeed the opposing standard Adamant variants. Air Balloon was one of the best items in OU at the time because it enabled things like Heatran and Magnezone to revenge kill it. There's many more reasons as to why Excadrill is deserving of this spot, but I feel like I said what most people have already said. This mole truly is a titan of OU, in almost every way.
Voting for #7 spot
Alright the voting has begun! We are going to be voting for the #7 spot. You're not required to write any sort of description about your vote, but if you want to then you're more then welcome to. From now on, I would highly advise you to write a few sentences explaining your vote, or else your vote may be more open to disagreement. The voting will always last for 2-4 days, as I feel that is more than enough time to cast your votes. Happy voting!
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I changed my vote, but I'm not sure how to delete this or if I even can.
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Genesect
Honestly, it's about time this got somewhere on the list and I think number 7 is a perfect spot. Genesect was the most metagame defining force when it was around (in fact, I think it could be argued that it was more influential than Politoed at the time). There was no team that didn't benefit from using a Genesect; it simply made everything better. From the Choice Scarf set to the fearsome Rock Polish set, some games were simply decided by who could keep their Genesect alive the longest. It was the best too for all weather teams, as it's U-turn could help trap it's number 1 enemy: Heatran, and both sun and Tornadus-T rain appreciated that thing being gone. Every team had to run something to beat it. No, that's not necessarily indicative of its influence, but when you take into consideration that some people were running less Defense IVs on Garchomp just to make sure it got the Attack boost from Download so that Yache Chomp could live the Ice Beam, you'll understand that I mean every team had to have MULTIPLE ways of beating Genesect. In fact, it actually made Fire a pretty decent defensive type. Scarf Ninetales was actually viable (wut), and sun itself was amazing. Lavos Spawn's System of a Drought was everywhere on the ladder. All of this was caused by a single Pokémon. Genesect deserves number 7.
Honestly, it's about time this got somewhere on the list and I think number 7 is a perfect spot. Genesect was the most metagame defining force when it was around (in fact, I think it could be argued that it was more influential than Politoed at the time). There was no team that didn't benefit from using a Genesect; it simply made everything better. From the Choice Scarf set to the fearsome Rock Polish set, some games were simply decided by who could keep their Genesect alive the longest. It was the best too for all weather teams, as it's U-turn could help trap it's number 1 enemy: Heatran, and both sun and Tornadus-T rain appreciated that thing being gone. Every team had to run something to beat it. No, that's not necessarily indicative of its influence, but when you take into consideration that some people were running less Defense IVs on Garchomp just to make sure it got the Attack boost from Download so that Yache Chomp could live the Ice Beam, you'll understand that I mean every team had to have MULTIPLE ways of beating Genesect. In fact, it actually made Fire a pretty decent defensive type. Scarf Ninetales was actually viable (wut), and sun itself was amazing. Lavos Spawn's System of a Drought was everywhere on the ladder. All of this was caused by a single Pokémon. Genesect deserves number 7.
Terrakion
I'd really hate to see this thing not get a spot on this list. If Ferrothorn was the face of BW defense, then Terrakion should be considered the face of BW offense. Although it isn't as dominant as it was in BW1, Terrakion has left an extremely significant impact on the tier by basically setting the bar for offense. It's one of the reasons this generation has become so offensive. It set the benchmark for speed tiers, saying fuck you to the old 100 base bench mark and skyrocketing it up to 108. It can run a myriad of offensive sets thanks to its amazing Speed, high attack, and an incredible dual STAB combination. It's Scarf set was so terrifying in BW1 that many considered Technician Breloom and Scizor a necessity on most teams. The fact that Terrakion set the bar for offence, forced the tier to adapt to its presence, and was one of the most dangerous offensive Pokemon throughout this entire generation, I believe that it should be #7. There's never been a situation where Terrakion has sucked. It always has, and always will be, one of the best Pokemon of this generation.
I'd really hate to see this thing not get a spot on this list. If Ferrothorn was the face of BW defense, then Terrakion should be considered the face of BW offense. Although it isn't as dominant as it was in BW1, Terrakion has left an extremely significant impact on the tier by basically setting the bar for offense. It's one of the reasons this generation has become so offensive. It set the benchmark for speed tiers, saying fuck you to the old 100 base bench mark and skyrocketing it up to 108. It can run a myriad of offensive sets thanks to its amazing Speed, high attack, and an incredible dual STAB combination. It's Scarf set was so terrifying in BW1 that many considered Technician Breloom and Scizor a necessity on most teams. The fact that Terrakion set the bar for offence, forced the tier to adapt to its presence, and was one of the most dangerous offensive Pokemon throughout this entire generation, I believe that it should be #7. There's never been a situation where Terrakion has sucked. It always has, and always will be, one of the best Pokemon of this generation.
Terrakion
While I thought a speedy broken Steel Uber type had to make the list (and voted Genesect for #6), now that Exca is on the list, I'm throwing my vote behind Terrakion. Strong Fighting types DEFINED this metagame-- to the point where one would say that the Dragon-, Steel-, Water- three kings of DP were joined by Fighting in BW to make not 3, but 4 top types to rule OU.
BW added a ton of Fighting types, and they were a driving force throughout the generation, with their power and awesome STAB attacks backed by fantastic bulk or Speed. Fighting type resisted the 3 dangerous threats of Dark-, Bug-, and Rock (Pursuit, U-Turn, SR), and came with no common weaknesses (with the otherwise mediore Psychic attacks becoming more popular in BW JUST because of the dominance of Fighting-types). Their STAB attacks paired almost flawlessly with 6 different types, and was desirable coverage when paired with EVERY other type except Ground (and hell, Lando-I even got banned because of Ground + Fighting + HP Ice coverage, lol). Almost any type could be made better just by pairing it with Fighting.
But while Verizion, Mienshao, and Scrafty were all considered a part of this force in BW, all of them were kicked to the curb by continued testing. Even Konkeldurr, Lucario, and Infernape could barely endure this trial by weather of the tough OU meta that left one as an obvious king of Fighters-- brute strength, raw stats, and near flawless STABs proved pivotal in making Terrakion the obvious king bull. Of all the early Fighting types, only 1 could prove itself an enduring top threat throughout BW (with Breloom holding that position only during the initial Darkrai Metagame, and then after getting Technician).
Terrakion's power was sooo incredible, that unlike anything up until now-- GF designed a Pokemon JUST to control it (Lando-T)! lol
In BW2, Keldeo was released, and Terrak's little brother filled the void left by the competitors it had kicked out, and the two of them held the throne-- ensuring that no one would forget the defining role of Fighting types in the metagame. I think Terrakion (or at least Keldeo) needs to make this list as a representative of this legacy.
While I thought a speedy broken Steel Uber type had to make the list (and voted Genesect for #6), now that Exca is on the list, I'm throwing my vote behind Terrakion. Strong Fighting types DEFINED this metagame-- to the point where one would say that the Dragon-, Steel-, Water- three kings of DP were joined by Fighting in BW to make not 3, but 4 top types to rule OU.
BW added a ton of Fighting types, and they were a driving force throughout the generation, with their power and awesome STAB attacks backed by fantastic bulk or Speed. Fighting type resisted the 3 dangerous threats of Dark-, Bug-, and Rock (Pursuit, U-Turn, SR), and came with no common weaknesses (with the otherwise mediore Psychic attacks becoming more popular in BW JUST because of the dominance of Fighting-types). Their STAB attacks paired almost flawlessly with 6 different types, and was desirable coverage when paired with EVERY other type except Ground (and hell, Lando-I even got banned because of Ground + Fighting + HP Ice coverage, lol). Almost any type could be made better just by pairing it with Fighting.
But while Verizion, Mienshao, and Scrafty were all considered a part of this force in BW, all of them were kicked to the curb by continued testing. Even Konkeldurr, Lucario, and Infernape could barely endure this trial by weather of the tough OU meta that left one as an obvious king of Fighters-- brute strength, raw stats, and near flawless STABs proved pivotal in making Terrakion the obvious king bull. Of all the early Fighting types, only 1 could prove itself an enduring top threat throughout BW (with Breloom holding that position only during the initial Darkrai Metagame, and then after getting Technician).
Terrakion's power was sooo incredible, that unlike anything up until now-- GF designed a Pokemon JUST to control it (Lando-T)! lol
In BW2, Keldeo was released, and Terrak's little brother filled the void left by the competitors it had kicked out, and the two of them held the throne-- ensuring that no one would forget the defining role of Fighting types in the metagame. I think Terrakion (or at least Keldeo) needs to make this list as a representative of this legacy.
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I think this has to go to Terrakion, mainly because it was the king of offense in BW1, and is still a dominant force in late BW2. Terrakion was the best Choice Banded Pokemon, Best Scarf Pokemon, and best double dancer sweeper in the tier. Terrakion was / is such a dominant force, that some people even resort to using lower tier Pokemon like Golurk and Nidoqueen just to counter Terrakion.
Terrakion for 7th.
Terrakion for 7th.
Terrakion.
Voting Genesect, it was like unstoppable nearly. Download was like a key staple on it, plus fire was the only way to hit it super effectively. If I had more time, I'd go into more detail. It changed OU alot, as fire would become more common, and every team had to struggle to counter it.
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Terrakion
Landorus-i
I'm pretty sure this is the first Pokemon to almost be broken with its physical set and then banned for its special set.
It was the face of sand offense in BW post-Excadrill and almost always overpowering in BW2 on the right team.
I wouldn't have anything against Genesect at this spot though.
I'm pretty sure this is the first Pokemon to almost be broken with its physical set and then banned for its special set.
It was the face of sand offense in BW post-Excadrill and almost always overpowering in BW2 on the right team.
I wouldn't have anything against Genesect at this spot though.
Genesect > terakion
Oh wow, I didn't think Terrakion would get so much support this round. I'll like to change my vote from Genesect to Terrakion for the reasons mentioned above (and I'm on my phone, so I don't really feel like making a huge post explaining why).
Terrakion.
Terrakion literally influenced pretty much all of post excadrill BW OU, if you had even 1 weakness to it at all, you better have been carrying a gliscor or your dead meat
Regardless, Lati@s actually was less influential for BW1, but I'm pretty sure we all know that Latias influenced a large majority of BW2, rain teams started randomly carrying ttar just to stop latias from ruining keldeo (slowking wasn't a relevant threat at that time and celebi had BPass to escape pursuit regardless), special attackers had to do some weird ass shit just to get around it, and it overall just influenced the majority of teams in BW2 OU because it could wall so much threats while still being an offensive threat, For me it comes down to either terrakion or Latias, and due to the fact that latias's relevance in BW1 is actually larger than terrakion's BW2 relevance (as in metagame supremacy, not note worthy threat, terrak definatly wins that one) mainly due to it being a damn good check back in the day to non x-scissor excadrill and other early BW1 threats
so LatiAS gets my vote for #7
Regardless, Lati@s actually was less influential for BW1, but I'm pretty sure we all know that Latias influenced a large majority of BW2, rain teams started randomly carrying ttar just to stop latias from ruining keldeo (slowking wasn't a relevant threat at that time and celebi had BPass to escape pursuit regardless), special attackers had to do some weird ass shit just to get around it, and it overall just influenced the majority of teams in BW2 OU because it could wall so much threats while still being an offensive threat, For me it comes down to either terrakion or Latias, and due to the fact that latias's relevance in BW1 is actually larger than terrakion's BW2 relevance (as in metagame supremacy, not note worthy threat, terrak definatly wins that one) mainly due to it being a damn good check back in the day to non x-scissor excadrill and other early BW1 threats
so LatiAS gets my vote for #7