The Top 10 Titans of the 5th Gen OU Metagame [VOTING OVER]

[Stone Alchemist]

I can't believe any of you are DOUBTING A POKEMON THAT BROKE 50% USAGE. That is more usage than kyogre than ubers! Genesect was such a centrelizing force in OU, it's hard to see how you guys can ignore it's humongous impact into OU, heck, reuniclus, something largely considered uber for the beginning of BW1 almost dropped to UU because of this thing, that should speak volumes of how much the meta was impacted by this, and reu still hasn't recovered it's place in usage to this day.

Also, are you guys seriously considering putting NINETALES on a top 10 titans list? Ninetales is pitiful, regardless of it bringing sun, it's basically dead weight, politoed is so freakin useful, it's great physical and special bulk allow it to stay around and scald things, which btw, did I mention scald is like the bet move in the game? Ttar is pretty self explanitory, it's an excellant pokemon already that somehow got one of the best abilities in the game, thanks game freak, for totally imbalancing the weather starters lol.

Tales bringing sun isn't even too relevant as, sun is terrible, why do you think ninetales usually earns top 20 in usage stats AT MOST? while toed has almost always been top 5, same with ttar, also chloro sweepers are very pitiful, so weak and frail af, the only good sun team this gen was lavos gene sun, which wasn't really a true sun team, showing how bad sun is, sun stall is so damn terrible, sun offense is just so bad and SR weak and just TERRIBLE, etc. Sun is just bad in OU, I feel ashamed that ninetales is even OU, come on guys, ninetales doesn't even deserve top 30 titans, let alone 10, stop putting it over the best pokemon to enter OU, genesect.

ZOMG DID I TELL YOU THAT ENTIRE TEAMS ARE BASED AROUND SUN NOWADAYS? Ahem, sorry but just saying...

EDIT: If sun was so "terrible", I guess we should let it go back to UU (where it got banned, FYI). Usage stats have NOTHING absolutely nothing to do with this. Kyurem-B is one of the most amazing Pokemon in OU right now, and it's lurking pretty low on the usage lists. Oh, and Ninetales has Will-O-Wisp to cripple all the weather inducers but Politoed, whose Scald does pitiful damage in Sun anyways (and Ninetales always carries Sunny Day). Venusaur is super bulky, and can sweep teams with ease with sun up and a Growth under its belt. Sun is a huge force in this metagame, and that is an undisputed fact. Oh, and if you say Ninetales is deadweight, many players consider Politoed deadweight as I usually see Politoed getting foddered off after the weather war is won / there is no weather.

btw This is about the most influential Pokemon, not the best Pokemon. Stealth Rocks are the only things holding sun offense back from the line imo. PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT SUN IS OVERPOWERED IN OU(NOSTEALTHROCK). Plus, Sun Stall has some big things such as Latias, Heatran, Cresselia, etc. although I've never used it yet.

 

[Gary]

Make sure to watch the hostility guys. Discussion is fine, and disagreeing is fine, but please do not attempt to poke jabs at other users or try to insult their intelligence. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and this thread has a potential to be swayed heavily by opinion, so don't call someone out for having a differing opinion from you just because you don't agree with it. Threads like this can become rather subjective, so it's impossible for everyone to agree on one thing, as you've seen. If you don't heed my warnings, I wont count your votes, simple as that. The voting will end in a few hours, so if you haven't voted yet don't wait any longer to do so.

Play nicely fellas.

 

[Stone RG]

Make sure to watch the hostility guys. Discussion is fine, and disagreeing is fine, but please do not attempt to poke jabs at other users or try to insult their intelligence. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and this thread has a potential to be swayed heavily by opinion, so don't call someone out for having a differing opinion from you just because you don't agree with it. Threads like this can become rather subjective, so it's impossible for everyone to agree on one thing, as you've seen. If you don't heed my warnings, I wont count your votes, simple as that. The voting will end in a few hours, so if you haven't voted yet don't wait any longer to do so.

Play nicely fellas.

Welp im asking right now to Gary to end this round, since it has become pretty damn hostile the last few posts, im pretty sure Ferro has like 5 votes over Gene, whether or not i agree with that is out of the point, but there is no way Gene is getting the #3 before a deadline that shouldve been yesterday or Sunday.

 

[Gary]

Welp im asking right now to Gary to end this round, since it has become pretty damn hostile the last few posts, im pretty sure Ferro has like 5 votes over Gene, whether or not i agree with that is out of the point, but there is no way Gene is getting the #3 before a deadline that shouldve been yesterday or Sunday.

The deadline ranges from 2-3 days, but I gave this one an extra day because there was still a lot of discussion going on. I'll end it by 8 PM.

 

[Spinda]

The hostility is half the fun of this thread, fuck.
Ninetales is the only reason my would-be weatherless teams end up having a ttar or politoed on it,
the only reason why 90% of my actual weatherless teams use a dragonite, and another priority user that hits venusaur atleast neutrally.
Ninetales is the reason Heatran is top 10, Ninetales is the reason Venusaur, Dugtrio, and Donphan are OU.
Ninetales is a big part of the reason Cresselia and Victini are viable. Ninetales is the reason Darmanitan, Lilligant, Victreebel, Sawsbuck, Snorlax, hell even exeggutor are viable.
Ninetales is half the reason Volcarona is one of the most threatening pokemon in OU.
Ninetales is the reason people use 112+ HP EVs on LO Latias.

Ninetales is god.

Fuck Arceus.

 

[Gary]

The hostility is half the fun of this thread, fuck.
Ninetales is the only reason my would-be weatherless teams end up having a ttar or politoed on it,
the only reason why 90% of my actual weatherless teams use a dragonite, and another priority user that hits venusaur atleast neutrally.
Ninetales is the reason Heatran is top 10, Ninetales is the reason Venusaur, Dugtrio, and Donphan are OU.
Ninetales is a big part of the reason Cresselia and Victini are viable. Ninetales is the reason Darmanitan, Lilligant, Victreebel, Sawsbuck, Snorlax, hell even exeggutor are viable.
Ninetales is half the reason Volcarona is one of the most threatening pokemon in OU.
Ninetales is the reason people use 112+ HP EVs on LO Latias.

Ninetales is god.

Fuck Arceus.

Hostility isn't fun at all. There's nothing wrong with people getting pissed off with other people's responses, because that's bound to happen, but if I start seeing people calling each other idiots or telling people to fuck off just because they don't agree with them, then I'm not going to allow it. It shouldn't be hard to write a response to someone without insulting them, but if you can't, then you probably need some sort of help. ANYWAYS:

And with that, the voting for the #3 spot ends here! At one point, this vote was VERY close, until today when a bunch of people decided to swing the vote (thankfully I waited another day, or the runner up would have won due to the mass amount of controversial discussion that transpired afterwards). Here are the results:

Dragonite: 1
Ferrothorn: 17
Genesect: 7
Terrakion: 1
Ninetales: 5
Latios: 1
Scizor: 1

Ferrothorn is the Winner!

3.

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Looks like Genesect was once again cock blocked by another extremely influential Pokemon that is well deserving of this spot. Any avid players of BW OU should know that Ferrothorn IS BW OU defense. Without Ferrothorn, BW wouldn't be the same. It's the backbone of everything bulky, it's one of the best defensive Pokemon that Gamefreak has ever created. It can do almost anything for a team that needs it. Not only does it have incredible defensive capabilities, its typing only leaves it with two weaknesses, one being lessened when Ferrothorn is alongside Politoed. It can setup both Spikes and Stealth Rock. It's Steel-typing lets it wall a majority of Dragon-types that exist in the tier, especially when in the rain. Being Steel, it's immune to Toxic and Sandstorm, to very common forms of passive damage. Speaking of rain, its Grass-typing allows it to counter a large majority of rain offense, and it's often used on teams that struggle against it. It's also immune to Leech Seed, making it a nightmare for stall teams lacking some sort of Fire-type move. Ferrothorn is one of the sole reasons that every team is forced to run a Fighting-type, because it is very difficult to beat it without super effective damage. Ferrothorn truly is, the defensive powerhouse of OU. Without it, OU would be even more helpless against the offensive powerhouses of the OU metagame.

Voting for #4 spot​

Alright the voting has begun! We are going to be voting for the #3 spot. You're not required to write any sort of description about your vote, but if you want to then you're more then welcome to. From now on, I would highly advise you to write a few sentences explaining your vote, or else your vote may be more open to disagreement. The voting will always last for two days, as I feel that is more than enough time to cast your votes. WATCH THE HOSTILITY! Happy voting!

 

[Spinda]

And how could you say the runner-up would've won unfairly? Who's to say if you waited another day, there wouldn't be 20 more genesect votes?
If there was such a dramatic influx of ferrothorn votes today, why couldn't the same thing happen for genesect? There's no doubt Genesect influenced the metagame a lot the time it was there so I really don't see how it could've been unfairly.

 

[Schpoonman]

(thankfully I waited another day, or the runner up would have won unfairly)

Yeah, that's a pretty fucking horseshit thing to say. Having your opinion and voting for a certain Pokemon is one thing, but to be running this thread and go "No, fuck that, I don't Pokemon A to get this spot, so I'm going to postpone the close of the vote until something else is on top," is inexcusable. And if that's not what you did, well, it sure as hell looks like it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you want to be taken seriously after this you should keep any bias out of the execution of the Top Ten list and save it for your vote and your vote alone.

 

[Gary]

Yeah, that's a pretty fucking horseshit thing to say. Having your opinion and voting for a certain Pokemon is one thing, but to be running this thread and go "No, fuck that, I don't Pokemon A to get this spot, so I'm going to postpone the close of the vote until something else is on top," is inexcusable. And if that's not what you did, well, it sure as hell looks like it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you want to be taken seriously after this you should keep any bias out of the execution of the Top Ten list and save it for your vote and your vote alone.

Ferrothorn: 17

And how could you say the runner-up would've won unfairly? Who's to say if you waited another day, there wouldn't be 20 more genesect votes?
If there was such a dramatic influx of ferrothorn votes today, why couldn't the same thing happen for genesect? There's no doubt Genesect influenced the metagame a lot the time it was there so I really don't see how it could've been unfairly.

No that's not what I meant at all. There was still discussion going on about Genesect on the day that the deadline normally ends, so I wanted to wait for everything to settle down before I ended the vote. As you can see, a lot of people changed their minds after that time, so if I were to end the vote before the discussion ended, Genesect would have won unfairly because I didn't give people enough time to think about their final votes. I wont end the voting unless relevant discussion ends first, because people could end up switching their votes. I'll try to make that a bit more clear in my post, because that's not what I meant at all. My goal is to have the least amount of bias in this thread as possible. Actually now that I go back and count, Ferrothorn would have actually had won anyway. So no, I don't give enough of a shit about who wins to postpone this on purpose. I'm not a prick.

 

[Swamp-Rocket]

A bit iffy on this but my #4 goes to landorous

In late BW1 this thing was possibly the best user of a Choice Scarf in the metagame other than maaaaybe Rotom-W, and created one of the backbones of the VoltTurn cores seen everywhere, and Sand Force made it hit very hard when under sandy conditions, and back then Sand was probably the best weather condition. With an immunity to spikes, that convenient speed, and a sandstorm immunity and you had a force to be reckoned with in that metagame. Advance to BW2 and after a while people began to use an even more devastating special attacker Landorous, which was so good that it got banned. Overall, this thing has caused quite the impact, and I believe #4 suits it well. It also has the bonus of being a BW2 ban that has been around forever.

 

[Spinda]

Ninetales

I really don't think this actually needs explanation though I already explained a fracture of its impact on the OU metagame above.

 

[Prosecutor Godot]

Voting Ninetales for #4

Ninetales is a bad pokemon. Without Drought, it'd probably be an average Nasty Plot sweeper in the lower tiers. However since it has Drought, I think it deserves the #4 spot by far. Ninetales gives niches to Sawsbuck, Shiftry, Exeggutor, Victrebell, Dugtrio, Donphan and Lilligant in OU. It allows Victini and Darmanitan to have unprecedented power in their attacks. It made Speed Boost Blaziken a nightmare to deal with. It turned Venusaur from the most versatile UU pokemon last gen to a monstrous OU sweeper this gen. Sun may not have the influence Rain and Sand had, which is why Politoed and Tyranitar were ranked first but it still had a lot of influence over the entire metagame. I know that Genesect will probably receive a lot of votes this round, but I really think Ninetales did a lot more to shape the meta than Genesect did. No matter what era it was, sun was always the #3 weather and the hardest to prepare for, at least for me.

 

[Halcyon.]

Ninetales

I waited to vote last time because I was too busy to write a description. This time I'll just vote and then update it later.

 

[Gary]

I was very torn between Terrakion and Ninetales, but I ultimately decided on:

Ninetales

Ninetales is a terrible Pokemon on its own, but Drought as made it one of the most defining and important Pokemon in the OU metagame. A LOT of what I wanted to say about Ninetales has already been said in the previous discussion, so I'll just make this short and sweet. Without Ninetales, Venusaur wouldn't be a threatening sweeper, nor Sawsbuck. Victini and Darmanitan would struggle to ever see the light of OU due to their STAB being weakened by Rain. Volcarona becomes that much more dangerous with Ninetales. It forces people to run Bulky Latias and Heatran on teams that are incredibly weak to sun, or else they'll get swept by Venusaur and the like. It's just such a huge Pokemon in BW, regardless of its overall uselessness outside of Drought. It deserves to be very high up on this list, because it created an entire playstyle that has forced many Pokemon to adapt to it.

 

[Stone RG]

Guys chill rofl, i actually agree with gary running the #3 vote for one more day, since actually gene and ferro were pretty damn close.

Ok onto the vote, and im gonna say this right now: fuck it, genesect isnt taking a #4, he's too cool for that, and im not going to get into the bandwagon again.

Nominating, or may i say, double nominating: Deoxys Defense and Speed

Weird thing, huh? Well i thought about it, and this two pretty much were the same, whether or not one was more effective than the other is out of the point, plus they both faced the same fate.

Both of the deoxys formes took Hyper Offense and threw it to an age of glory and propserity, while i may say the Speed forme was better at it, Defense had the ability of run an item that didnt have to be named Focus Sash. You needed a game plan for both of them as leads since they were staples at it at HO, and if you didnt, then you had to be prepared to be spike-stacked and your defensive backbone to be shattered at the might of the Hyper Offensive sweepers. Deoxys S is probably one of the most broken pokemon to ever lay a foot on the Overused metagame, and im surprised it took 5 suspects to be banned, since it automatically gained momentum on favor of the offensive team, and Deoxys D did this to an extent as well.

EDIT: just realized how badly i argumented this thing, lgaf im not gonna change it :]

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Guess dragonite isnt getting any love ;_;, so my vote this round will go to Jirachi (but dragonite for #5 please).

 

[youngjake93]

I feel as if Venusaur alone is mostly what makes Sun to the level that it is, so I'll pass on Tales(it will probably win anyway).

I think I'm going to vote Garchomp. Now let me explain. Due to its speed tier, Garchomp, particularly Scarfchomp, really shook the meta. DDnite essentially went from a centralizing force to regarded as outclassed by CB. Mence was shifted into very niche roles rather than the go-to fast physical dragon. Double Dance Terrakions were replaced by more and more choiced Terrakions. Haxorus, Hydreigon and Kyurem-B's immense powers were constantly being threatened by a slightly faster Garchomp around the corner. I could keep going on, but I think people really underestimate just how much Garchomp stirred up the meta.

Then, of course, there is the point that Sand Veil clause basically only exists because of the Garchomp suspect test. Sure, it was decided that it fits into Evasion, but the question over Sand Veil wouldn't have come up(at least not as early), if it had not been for the free Garchomp squad.

So in conclusion, think how much less likely you are to run ScarfMence, SD Terrakion and DDnite(huuuuuuge threats in BW1) now and vote Garchomp.

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Stone RG sorry but i really cant understand this. Yes its true they were both very similar but that still doesnt make them the same pokemon, not to mention that deoxys s ability to go offensive and setup extremely fast screens really set it lightyears apart from deoxys d.

 

[Stone RG]

Stone RG sorry but i really cant understand this. Yes its true they were both very similar but that still doesnt make them the same pokemon, not to mention that deoxys s ability to go offensive and setup extremely fast screens really set it lightyears apart from deoxys d.

Meh, i always saw them as one and the same, as they took the exact same roles, the argument goes mainly for Deoxys S tho, i took my guess that you guys understood that i was nominating both since Deo D is prolly not getting nominated by anyone in any spot even though it tookm up his counterpart's role as a Lead that was extremely effective and benefitted HO almost as much as Deo-S did.

 

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Even if they could be treated as the same pokemon, deoxys d inst even on the op therefore isnt really allowed to be nominated at all.

 

[blitzlefan]

it really hurts to not be voting for terrakion, but Ninetales basically carries an entire playstyle. if that's not influential idk what is

 

[dwarfstar]

Voting Ninetales. What I wanted to say has already been said.

 

[Stone Alchemist]

Ninetales. Already presented my shitty arguments above, not much else to say. Sunny Days :3. Funnily enough, I see no one voting for Genesect currently.

 

[superstar]

I really want to vote for Excadrill. It was more broken and more influential than Genesect imo -- was OU for longer and defined the meta just as much if not more. Literally there was a time when you had to run Gliscor or Conkeldurr on every single team that didn't have sun or rain, remember that? Didn't get quite as much usage because it couldn't run a Scarf set and couldn't just be slapped on any team, but so what?

Despite that, Ninetales is still going to get my vote. This is the weather generation, and it is only right that the last of the three weather starters be up top with the others that have defined the metagame. Excadrill next round plz.

 

[DoABarrelRoll]

I vote Dragonite because of multiscale which made it a lot harder to take out and allowed it to set up dragon dance very easily, abuse stab hurricane in the rain, or become an extremely annoying parashuffler.