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The Uber Metagame: a Fun "Change of Pace"
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What about Arceus with Facade and Toxic Orb? Gets STAB on a big attack and WoW immunity. Swords Dance\Facade\Fire Blast\Dragon Claw. The question would be if lugia switches in on a SD with SR up can arceus 2hko through the reflect it gets up after the first facade hit. Here is damage calcs copy pasted from Libeldra
662 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 253 - 298 (60.82% - 71.63%)
662 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 127 - 150 (30.53% - 36.06%) Reflected
Combing the min damage of both hits(91%) plus SR is clearly a 2HKO. This is against maxed everything defensively Lugia with Nature Boosted Swords Danced 100 attack EVs Arceus(331 base attack). However Lugia could atleast WW Arceus out instead of reflecting.
That calculator also says Max defensively Giratina with 1 SR switchin has a 50%ish chance of being 2hkoed by Dragon Claw. Of course Arceus has the more powerful(and risky...) Outrage.
Whats the catch? Is that calculator off? I tried some others and they seem to back it up. I didnt see this set in the dex. Im waiting for someone to pinch me after looking at these calcs
EDIT:I realized after posting the cursed 100 EVs thing mean Lugia is faster. A speed boosting Nature puts Arceus on top and the minimum damages add up to almost 100%
Speed nature boosted Arceus SDs as lugia switches in on SR and gets this:
602 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 229 - 271 (55.05% - 65.14%)
602 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 115 - 136 (27.64% - 32.69%) Reflected
25% SR
=107%. However it gets Two leftover boosts-one on switchin and one as it reflects. Meaning it cant 2HKO. Atleast not guaranteed. Note that Lugia doesnt have to run any speed EVs to force a speed boosting nature, because any faster lugia shuts this down.
662 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 253 - 298 (60.82% - 71.63%)
662 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 127 - 150 (30.53% - 36.06%) Reflected
Combing the min damage of both hits(91%) plus SR is clearly a 2HKO. This is against maxed everything defensively Lugia with Nature Boosted Swords Danced 100 attack EVs Arceus(331 base attack). However Lugia could atleast WW Arceus out instead of reflecting.
That calculator also says Max defensively Giratina with 1 SR switchin has a 50%ish chance of being 2hkoed by Dragon Claw. Of course Arceus has the more powerful(and risky...) Outrage.
Whats the catch? Is that calculator off? I tried some others and they seem to back it up. I didnt see this set in the dex. Im waiting for someone to pinch me after looking at these calcs
EDIT:I realized after posting the cursed 100 EVs thing mean Lugia is faster. A speed boosting Nature puts Arceus on top and the minimum damages add up to almost 100%
Speed nature boosted Arceus SDs as lugia switches in on SR and gets this:
602 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 229 - 271 (55.05% - 65.14%)
602 Atk vs 394 Def & 416 HP (140 Base Power): 115 - 136 (27.64% - 32.69%) Reflected
25% SR
=107%. However it gets Two leftover boosts-one on switchin and one as it reflects. Meaning it cant 2HKO. Atleast not guaranteed. Note that Lugia doesnt have to run any speed EVs to force a speed boosting nature, because any faster lugia shuts this down.
I've got an idea which I sadly won't be able to try due to the lack of time:
Lead:
Deoxys-f @Focus Sash
Lonely Nature (+Atk,-Def)
252 Atk, 252 SpA, 4 Spe EVs(I think that speed evs are not needed to outspeed 110 base speed Pokemon);
- HP Fire
- Extremespeed
- Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
Speed isn't needed because you will be using ES vs Latias, and Mewtwo can be beaten with SB and ES. Shaymin dies after 2 ES. Outspeeding another max speed Deoxys is pointless since HP Fire requires using only 30 Speed IVs so it will be faster anyway. SB helps vs Deo-l and Mewtwo but IB has bigger base power
[capt obv]If you meet a Deo-S lead, go for SB + ES or 2 x ES. He will get only one layer of entry hazards. If he uses Taunt then you are playing 6v5.
Versus Kyogre and Don, use GK or ES if you are paralysed, obviously. [/capt obv]
This lead will run into problems vs. Dialga, Tyranitar and Darkrai leads and that is why you use:
Arceus @Fist Plate
Modest nature(-Atk, + SpA)
100 EVs in all except Atk.
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Judgment
- Toxic/Ice Beam/Fire Blast(for forry)/something else
This combo is capable of beating every lead easily
Lead:
Deoxys-f @Focus Sash
Lonely Nature (+Atk,-Def)
252 Atk, 252 SpA, 4 Spe EVs(I think that speed evs are not needed to outspeed 110 base speed Pokemon);
- HP Fire
- Extremespeed
- Grass Knot
- Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
Speed isn't needed because you will be using ES vs Latias, and Mewtwo can be beaten with SB and ES. Shaymin dies after 2 ES. Outspeeding another max speed Deoxys is pointless since HP Fire requires using only 30 Speed IVs so it will be faster anyway. SB helps vs Deo-l and Mewtwo but IB has bigger base power
[capt obv]If you meet a Deo-S lead, go for SB + ES or 2 x ES. He will get only one layer of entry hazards. If he uses Taunt then you are playing 6v5.
Versus Kyogre and Don, use GK or ES if you are paralysed, obviously. [/capt obv]
This lead will run into problems vs. Dialga, Tyranitar and Darkrai leads and that is why you use:
Arceus @Fist Plate
Modest nature(-Atk, + SpA)
100 EVs in all except Atk.
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Judgment
- Toxic/Ice Beam/Fire Blast(for forry)/something else
This combo is capable of beating every lead easily
Okay, I think this is the right place to post this, seeing as this is a thread about the Uber metagame, so, how do you guys think the new moves will afect the tier? Diagla gets metal burst, Palkia gets hydro pump, and girantina gets shadow sneak.
To contribute, I thought I'd post some very basic movesets that could be used with these moves. Bear with the noob here.
Diagla @ Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Relaxed/Sassy
EVs: TBD (Help me)-0 spe IV
Metal Burst
Stealth Rock
Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Thunder/Roar
Since Metal Burst only works when it goes last, minimum speed is required. Thunderwave isn't included so you can metal burst the hit back. Stealth rock gives him something to do on a switch. Shuca Berry can be used to survive a hit from groudon.
Palkia @ Choice Specs
Modest
252 sp.att, 252 spe, 4hp
Hydro Pump
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Surf
With Stealth Rock, a layer of spikes, and rain support, I beleive this beast can 2hko blissey with hydro pump. The other moves are mainly the standards from the choice set. (Outrage was not included do to hydro pump still beating bliss). Surf could be used if you wanted a reliable STAB.
Girantina-O @ Platinum Orb
Adamant
252 att, 4 spe, 252 hp
Shadow Sneak
Outrage
Shadow Claw
Dragon Claw/Earthquake/Thunder/Hidden Power:Fire
One of the few Ubers with priority. Moves are obvious. I didn't invest evs in speed since he's already kinda slow, and shadow sneak is priority, and he wants bulk.
As you can see, I mostly just took old sets and put the new moves in. I also needs help with evs, I suck at them. At least I kinda contributed...
To contribute, I thought I'd post some very basic movesets that could be used with these moves. Bear with the noob here.
Diagla @ Leftovers/Shuca Berry
Relaxed/Sassy
EVs: TBD (Help me)-0 spe IV
Metal Burst
Stealth Rock
Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Thunder/Roar
Since Metal Burst only works when it goes last, minimum speed is required. Thunderwave isn't included so you can metal burst the hit back. Stealth rock gives him something to do on a switch. Shuca Berry can be used to survive a hit from groudon.
Palkia @ Choice Specs
Modest
252 sp.att, 252 spe, 4hp
Hydro Pump
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Surf
With Stealth Rock, a layer of spikes, and rain support, I beleive this beast can 2hko blissey with hydro pump. The other moves are mainly the standards from the choice set. (Outrage was not included do to hydro pump still beating bliss). Surf could be used if you wanted a reliable STAB.
Girantina-O @ Platinum Orb
Adamant
252 att, 4 spe, 252 hp
Shadow Sneak
Outrage
Shadow Claw
Dragon Claw/Earthquake/Thunder/Hidden Power:Fire
One of the few Ubers with priority. Moves are obvious. I didn't invest evs in speed since he's already kinda slow, and shadow sneak is priority, and he wants bulk.
As you can see, I mostly just took old sets and put the new moves in. I also needs help with evs, I suck at them. At least I kinda contributed...
Ubers is awesome fun, so is UU and NU. I dont see the point behind OU anymore, everyone always uses a blissy, Cresselia, Skarmondy, or a freakin Para-flinch togekiss. If you think OU is the best tier, you have no imagination
I don't agree with this at all but I have a better reason for posting, to ask whats up with Arceus? Is he going to be allowed into regular Uber play?
And Ubers I have to wonder about that Dialga set, says here Metal Burst is a Physical move so I think Draco Meteor can be used but I'm not sure what to put for the EVs(right now anyway).
Except metal burst doesn't care about lowered attack. Metal burst deals back twice as much damage as the opponet did to it as long a sit goes last. It's like a mirror coat and counter put together without the negative priority.
@Gen. Empoleon: *facepalms* I'll fix that girantina-o thing.
This palkia set abuses it's speciel attacks better by plowing through everything with it's power.
You don't need a speed IV of zero really, just running a negative nature should be enough to be slower then all common ubers. As for ev's, you should probably run enough to be comfortably 3HKOed including Shuca (so pretty much less then 66 %, although I'd advise even more as Spikes is prevalent). Also either enough SpAtk to either 2HKO with Draco Meteor + Metal Burst, or enough damage to just be straight out OHKOed by Metal Burat, meaning you max out on HP first to increase damage output. Yeah there are alot of possibilities here, I am in the middle of making my own EV spread for an anti lead that will be posted here when I'm done. I'm not sure about the usage of Metal Burst in general on it, as it's only useful with Shuca, which isn't as good as a Lum Berry on the anti lead set.
If the Arceus obtained via the Azure is legal (which I think isn't) the ExtremeKiller set is the deadliest set out there and always considered when constructing an uber team. Which Pokemon do you think can counter this set apart from the ones listed in the strategy Pokedex. IMO, Jolly Life Orb Lucario, is the best counter to this set with Stealth Rock taken into account. Why Jolly Lucario? Stealth Rock Resistance, Close Combat, does more damage to Arceus than Groudon in one turn, can save team from being wiped out, type advantage.
No Uber has ever been able to counter ExtremeKill Arceus since none can take hits from Swords Dance Life Orb Extreme Speed with Stealth Rock taken into account.
No Uber has ever been able to counter ExtremeKill Arceus since none can take hits from Swords Dance Life Orb Extreme Speed with Stealth Rock taken into account.
Ubers: for that Palk set, I'd go with Aqua Tail, since you do run into Blissey on occasion. Outside of Gira, none of those movesets will do much to it. My Modest Scarf Kyogre can barely OHKO Blissey with Spout as is.
Another problem I see with that Palk set is Chomp usage. It won't be able to come in at all unless Chomp is asleep or Outrage Confused.
Honestly, it's hard to say how the addition of Hydro Pump for Palkia will impact the metagame. I know that Giratina will see more use, since you frequently see Mewtwo, Giratina, and Wobb, among others. Dialga will almost certainly be packing Metal Burst to revenge kill ScarfChomp. Palkia users might opt for Hydro Pump over Surf if they have rain support. I can't see it happening since there's no accuracy boost to Pump in Rain.
I saw this after my post, so I'll add to my response. At present, Azure Arceus still won't be legal unless Nintendo decides to distribute the item on WiFi/Mystery Gift. For the movie Arceus, the nature and IV's would likely be a problem, but that depends on whether you can soft reset for them. The moveset isn't because of TM's and the Move Relearner.
I'm also interested to see how the unbanning of Arceus affects Shoddy. I've played WiFi matches against Arceus (some against the n00bs on Gamefaqs who broke Species Clause and used more than 1), and he's quite annoying. Normal Arceus is bulky enough to survive an Aura Sphere from Timid Mewtwo after 2 CM's.
For ExtremeKill Arceus, the best way to live against it is to stop it from SD'ing. Assuming no SR: when it comes in, switch to a Taunter or a Sleeper (Mewtwo or Darkrai come to mind) - at the moment, I'm not sure if Darkrai can survive Extreme after an SD, but Mewtwo can.
Another problem I see with that Palk set is Chomp usage. It won't be able to come in at all unless Chomp is asleep or Outrage Confused.
Honestly, it's hard to say how the addition of Hydro Pump for Palkia will impact the metagame. I know that Giratina will see more use, since you frequently see Mewtwo, Giratina, and Wobb, among others. Dialga will almost certainly be packing Metal Burst to revenge kill ScarfChomp. Palkia users might opt for Hydro Pump over Surf if they have rain support. I can't see it happening since there's no accuracy boost to Pump in Rain.
I saw this after my post, so I'll add to my response. At present, Azure Arceus still won't be legal unless Nintendo decides to distribute the item on WiFi/Mystery Gift. For the movie Arceus, the nature and IV's would likely be a problem, but that depends on whether you can soft reset for them. The moveset isn't because of TM's and the Move Relearner.
I'm also interested to see how the unbanning of Arceus affects Shoddy. I've played WiFi matches against Arceus (some against the n00bs on Gamefaqs who broke Species Clause and used more than 1), and he's quite annoying. Normal Arceus is bulky enough to survive an Aura Sphere from Timid Mewtwo after 2 CM's.
For ExtremeKill Arceus, the best way to live against it is to stop it from SD'ing. Assuming no SR: when it comes in, switch to a Taunter or a Sleeper (Mewtwo or Darkrai come to mind) - at the moment, I'm not sure if Darkrai can survive Extreme after an SD, but Mewtwo can.
It's so powerful that it can break through that x0 multiplier on Giratina / Giratina-O
Shadow Claw for Gira and Lugia, EQ for Dialga. Skarm isn't used all that much in Ubers (though I do see it on occasion), but you're right, Skarm doesn't have a problem walling a non Overheat Arceus.
I've been using a fast version of MixDialga which worked wonders for me. It mainly started as a SD Ray/Luke check and it ended up being a hell of a sweeper. I've tried it a bit but I was too bored to start laddering so I think I'm gonna share it.
Here's the set
Dialga @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature (+Spe,-Def)
66 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 192 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Sleep Talk / Thunder
Enough speed so it can outspeed Adamant Rayquaza and Lucario(Swords Dancers). The rest of the Evs are fairly simple. Max SpAtk is obvious because it's the main move and it gives you a good chance to KO 252 HP Groudon with Stealth Rock. The rest in attack and it worked pretty well because it grabbed me a few 2HKOs on Wobbuffets that tried to Mirror Coat my Outrages lol. Sadly, it doesn't 2HKO Bold ones with the current Atk Evs. Outrage punishes those greedy Latia@s as well that try to take advantage of the -the 2SpAtk .
Also, the standard Uber Blissey(4HP/252SpDef) is 2HKO'ed by a combination of Draco Meteor + Outrage.
I've been using Sleep Talk on the last slot because I didn't have anything to switch into Darkrai lol. Thunder is probably the better choice.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Here's the set
Dialga @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature (+Spe,-Def)
66 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 192 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Outrage
- Sleep Talk / Thunder
Enough speed so it can outspeed Adamant Rayquaza and Lucario(Swords Dancers). The rest of the Evs are fairly simple. Max SpAtk is obvious because it's the main move and it gives you a good chance to KO 252 HP Groudon with Stealth Rock. The rest in attack and it worked pretty well because it grabbed me a few 2HKOs on Wobbuffets that tried to Mirror Coat my Outrages lol. Sadly, it doesn't 2HKO Bold ones with the current Atk Evs. Outrage punishes those greedy Latia@s as well that try to take advantage of the -the 2SpAtk .
Also, the standard Uber Blissey(4HP/252SpDef) is 2HKO'ed by a combination of Draco Meteor + Outrage.
I've been using Sleep Talk on the last slot because I didn't have anything to switch into Darkrai lol. Thunder is probably the better choice.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
giratina only takes 47% maximum from a +2 shadow claw, or if it has LO then 61% max. either way it will survive then proceed to burn arceus with will-o-wisp. of course these calculations are using 372 atk which arceus won't be able to achieve assuming it can only have 100 EVs per stat.
lugia is a bit more iffy because 2 +2 extremespeeds in a row will finish off the standard spread after it takes SR damage, even if it chooses to set up reflect.
After talk of making a good anti-lead Dialga in this thread, I have finally created a good ev spread (which I will edit in to the analysis when I have the time). My thought procecss:
• Shuca Berry is useless on an anti-lead, Groudon 2HKOes you most of the time regardless, and Lum Berry has much more utility for absorbing random Thunder Wave leads and sleep from Darkrai.
• Metal Burst is a shit move to run on the anti lead, without Taunt or Encore its annoying to predict whether that Groudon or whatever is leading will Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave or actually attack. In this case, you’d be relying on guessing games for it to work.
• Modest 252 Special Attack Dialga does 75-89 % damage to Max/Min Groudon with Draco Meteor, meaning that it 2HKOes it. However, without defensive investment a Max attack Groudon will OHKO you 100 % of the time even with a minimum damage roll.
• If you run a + Speed Dialga, and take enough ev’s out of special attack to survive an Earthquake but still 2HKO it, we have a good anti lead, or so it seems. To have guaranteed survival, we need 216 defense ev’s, leaving the spread as timid 216 def/40 spatk/252 speed. Consecutive Draco Meteor’s do on average 90 – 105 % to a Max HP/min special defense Groudon, which can defeat it, but not 100 % of the time. However, I have found a better ev spread then this. Because people have often made their Groudon’s slow on purpose so their weather goes first vs Kyogre, a spread of 216 def/252 special attack/40 speed is probably more viable, as it still survives an Earthquake guaranteed, whist outspeeding the standard Groudon and 2HKOing it with ease. The moveset would be:
Dialga @ Lum Berry
Modest Nature (+ Spatk, - Atk)
216 def / 252 spatk / 40 spe
- Stealth Rock
- Draco Meteor
- Thunder
- Thunder Wave
• Shuca Berry is useless on an anti-lead, Groudon 2HKOes you most of the time regardless, and Lum Berry has much more utility for absorbing random Thunder Wave leads and sleep from Darkrai.
• Metal Burst is a shit move to run on the anti lead, without Taunt or Encore its annoying to predict whether that Groudon or whatever is leading will Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave or actually attack. In this case, you’d be relying on guessing games for it to work.
• Modest 252 Special Attack Dialga does 75-89 % damage to Max/Min Groudon with Draco Meteor, meaning that it 2HKOes it. However, without defensive investment a Max attack Groudon will OHKO you 100 % of the time even with a minimum damage roll.
• If you run a + Speed Dialga, and take enough ev’s out of special attack to survive an Earthquake but still 2HKO it, we have a good anti lead, or so it seems. To have guaranteed survival, we need 216 defense ev’s, leaving the spread as timid 216 def/40 spatk/252 speed. Consecutive Draco Meteor’s do on average 90 – 105 % to a Max HP/min special defense Groudon, which can defeat it, but not 100 % of the time. However, I have found a better ev spread then this. Because people have often made their Groudon’s slow on purpose so their weather goes first vs Kyogre, a spread of 216 def/252 special attack/40 speed is probably more viable, as it still survives an Earthquake guaranteed, whist outspeeding the standard Groudon and 2HKOing it with ease. The moveset would be:
Dialga @ Lum Berry
Modest Nature (+ Spatk, - Atk)
216 def / 252 spatk / 40 spe
- Stealth Rock
- Draco Meteor
- Thunder
- Thunder Wave
An idea for a stall team:
Lugia @Leftovers
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Whirlwind
- Roost/Roar
Can work well with all those entry hazards I guess. I tried it once and it sucked (but any kind of stall in my hands sucks)
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Bronzong @Leftovers/Wide Lens
Levitate
- Payback
- Hypnosis
- Toxic/Stealth Rock/Grass Knot/Explosion/etc
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Can counter Mewtwos and Lati@s that MixPalkia has problems versus. Also Palkia resists fire and water attacks that Bronzong has problems vs.(while Zong resists dragon moves). It is not weak to fire as Forry and has higher sp.def.
[/theory, never tried it, don't flame]
As for M. Burst, I am wondering if it is Magnet Rise #2. People were talking a lot about MR before Platinum was released and now nearly nobody uses it.
Lugia @Leftovers
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Whirlwind
- Roost/Roar
Can work well with all those entry hazards I guess. I tried it once and it sucked (but any kind of stall in my hands sucks)
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Bronzong @Leftovers/Wide Lens
Levitate
- Payback
- Hypnosis
- Toxic/Stealth Rock/Grass Knot/Explosion/etc
- -||-
Can counter Mewtwos and Lati@s that MixPalkia has problems versus. Also Palkia resists fire and water attacks that Bronzong has problems vs.(while Zong resists dragon moves). It is not weak to fire as Forry and has higher sp.def.
[/theory, never tried it, don't flame]
As for M. Burst, I am wondering if it is Magnet Rise #2. People were talking a lot about MR before Platinum was released and now nearly nobody uses it.
can somebody please fill me in to this "new moves" shit? i'm totally lost.
ms the dialga set you posted is quite similar to the one in the analysis, however with a slight difference in ev's. anyway fire blast/flamethrower is such a needed move since without it forry and metagross will just shit all over you. thunder is great but most kyogre will still beat you, since lead ones often carry specs. if he's stupid and uses water spout than you win. however if he choses ice beam or hydro pump dialga automatically loses. also the defense ev's seem to be a waste. from experience i've always bumped up my speed my speed to outspeed he standard lead groudon by 1 point, however groudon would often still outspeed.
also people see no reason to get the sun on their side when up against groudon, and this is because regardless you wouldnt stay in against kyogre even in the sun. most people running groudon as a lead will have a check whether it be latias or palkia ready to switch in.
ms the dialga set you posted is quite similar to the one in the analysis, however with a slight difference in ev's. anyway fire blast/flamethrower is such a needed move since without it forry and metagross will just shit all over you. thunder is great but most kyogre will still beat you, since lead ones often carry specs. if he's stupid and uses water spout than you win. however if he choses ice beam or hydro pump dialga automatically loses. also the defense ev's seem to be a waste. from experience i've always bumped up my speed my speed to outspeed he standard lead groudon by 1 point, however groudon would often still outspeed.
also people see no reason to get the sun on their side when up against groudon, and this is because regardless you wouldnt stay in against kyogre even in the sun. most people running groudon as a lead will have a check whether it be latias or palkia ready to switch in.
Metal Burst isnt going to do any good for Dialga. What are you going to use it for? You will just sacrifice a bucketload of good speed to use that move that is completely outclassed by other things Dialga can do.
Garchomps EQ? You have a Dragon STAB from a sky-high Special Attack.
Groudon's EQ? Again you have a damn Draco Meteor
Kyogre locked? What Kyogre stays on a Dialga when locked, since it can just use Thunder and screw you.
Metal Burst is not going to be as good as people keep thinking.
Garchomps EQ? You have a Dragon STAB from a sky-high Special Attack.
Groudon's EQ? Again you have a damn Draco Meteor
Kyogre locked? What Kyogre stays on a Dialga when locked, since it can just use Thunder and screw you.
Metal Burst is not going to be as good as people keep thinking.
yeah, upon thinking it over, I don't see any off these moves being very good or popular. Diagla has better things to do, girantina is to defensive and girantina-o already has 4-move slot syndrome for it's mixed sweeper set, thought it may get a small bit of use on a physical set. Palkia's hydro pump is the age old issue of power vs. accuracy, I personally always go with power over accuracy, but most will just use surf. At the very least, it provides a way to get past blissey without resorting to a mixed set, but the chances of it hitting twice in a row, 64%, are less than reliable.
Palkia's hydro pump is a classic example of something useful for doubles being added, and nobody really thinking about it that way.
Dialga's Metal Burst...it's very situational and honestly, I think it's mostly useless. I'm sure someone will find a way to do something cool with it, though.
Shadow Sneak on Giratina? Three words: surprise revenge kills. People aren't going to expect this, because for the most part, it's bad. You can, however, do some very ugly things to pokemon that would otherwise be able to break you/hurt you badly, like Mewtwo, Mewtwo, and...um...Mewtwo? Okay, fine it's bad.
Dialga's Metal Burst...it's very situational and honestly, I think it's mostly useless. I'm sure someone will find a way to do something cool with it, though.
Shadow Sneak on Giratina? Three words: surprise revenge kills. People aren't going to expect this, because for the most part, it's bad. You can, however, do some very ugly things to pokemon that would otherwise be able to break you/hurt you badly, like Mewtwo, Mewtwo, and...um...Mewtwo? Okay, fine it's bad.
Ubers Combinations
I've seen some threads out there dedicated to people showing off combinations of Pokemon that have great offensive and/or defensive synergy. I've seen them for OU and UU, but never for Ubers. And that's why I'm here today. Feel free to share some Ubers Combinations to the community. I guess I better start.
Nature: Jolly
Item: Haban Berry
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
-Swords Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
Nature: Timid
Item: Choice Specs
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
-Water Spout
Kyogre is certainly a force to be reckoned with, but the King of Ubers isn't unstoppable. Its main enemies include Palkia and Latias, comfortably walling its safest attacks to use and dealing massive damage. That's where HabanChomp comes into play. Most people assume all Garchomp are Scarfed. Once it has Swords Danced, they'll likely send out Palkia or Latias to revenge kill. Thanks to Haban Berry though, Garchomp can survive the attack and OHKO with a +2 Outrage. As a result of this, Kyogre will have a much better time tormenting your opponent.
EDIT: Ok, how did this end up here? Meh, whatever.
I've seen some threads out there dedicated to people showing off combinations of Pokemon that have great offensive and/or defensive synergy. I've seen them for OU and UU, but never for Ubers. And that's why I'm here today. Feel free to share some Ubers Combinations to the community. I guess I better start.
Nature: Jolly
Item: Haban Berry
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
-Swords Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
Nature: Timid
Item: Choice Specs
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunder
-Water Spout
Kyogre is certainly a force to be reckoned with, but the King of Ubers isn't unstoppable. Its main enemies include Palkia and Latias, comfortably walling its safest attacks to use and dealing massive damage. That's where HabanChomp comes into play. Most people assume all Garchomp are Scarfed. Once it has Swords Danced, they'll likely send out Palkia or Latias to revenge kill. Thanks to Haban Berry though, Garchomp can survive the attack and OHKO with a +2 Outrage. As a result of this, Kyogre will have a much better time tormenting your opponent.
EDIT: Ok, how did this end up here? Meh, whatever.
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