Throw me a Bone [RMT]

yungunr2

I think i saw that title somewhere before but oh well, im stealing it.:toast:
If you didnt already assume this team was centered around Marowak, it is.
I had been looking around for a decent BL to base my team upon and this guy is great.
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So without further ado here is my team at a glance.
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Lead
Bronzong@lum Berry
Relaxed
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 SpD
Gyro Ball
Stealth Rock
Light Screen
Hypnosis
After much consideration i have decided to test out Bronzong as many people suggested. It seems to me my team does need a Utility pokemon to set up for the Maro Sweep so here he is also works well with heatran.

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Speed/sub passer
Zaptos@leftovers
Bold
252HP / 100 def / 100 spattk / 56 speed
Thunderbolt
Agility
Baton Pass
Substitute

Standard smogon EV spread for agility passing zaptos added Sub since when Jirachi's Light Screen is up, he usually can survive hits and pass speed +sub to Marowak which is his sole purpose really. As marowak needs the speed.


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Revenge in the form of Heat!
Heatran@ choice scarf
Timid
 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
Fire Blast
Earth Power
HP Ice
Explosion

My revenge killer, Fire blast for steels and grass HP Ice for Dragons, Explosion for Bliss, considering something else in place of Explosion since i havent really encountered a Bliss Problem yet.

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The New Wisher on the block/sub passer
Vaporeon@leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Surf
Baton Pass
Substitute
Wish

My water absorber literally this time, And my new wisher and second sub passer.

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The Star of the Show!
Marowak@Thick Club
Jolly
 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Sword Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Rock Slide

Its the main event the man with the bone himself....Marowak! thanks to his thick club he gets a pretty beastly attack along with a SD he is almost unstoppable. however he needs the agility boost to do any substantial damage. He usually comes in for a late game sweep or sets up early and sweeps entire teams.


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I PLANT MY SEED IN YOU
Celebi@leftovers
Bold
 252 HP / 226 Def / 32 Spe * Pretty sure i could use a better EV spread
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Thunder Wave
Recover

Well Seeing he is everyone's favorite bulky water, he also adds to Heatran attraction. He can Paralyze which will help maro sweep or get a sub in safety.

Threat list Gone Since Major Revisions have been made, perhaps a new one will spawn once i get more trial and error on this team. =)
 
There's one thing I'd like to do here. Try a Vaporeon over Starmie. Suppose you can't pull off the Zapdos-> Marowak connection, you can still attempt a Substitute only from Vaporeon passing to Marowak. And it's always useful if they were aiming an Electric move at Vaporeon as you pass to Wak! Vaporeon would also add as a second Wisher, which only helps Marowak even more. Hell you can make a simple 2 Poke BP chain. You pass from Zapdos to Vaporeon to absorb the Ice move aimed at it, and then continue on with your pass as that'll give you more scouting advantages.
 
I can't help but think that you could have a very hard time with Agility Metagross. Scarf Garchomp could also cause problems. Adding in Celebi over Jirachi will help with both of these, and also give you a great type pairing with Heatran.
 
You realize that Stone Edge does more to Gyarados than x4 Thunder Fang, right? Making Thunder Fang invalid, therefore, you can fill in the slot with something other than Whirlwind, as Aerodactyl isn't bulky enough to play that role.
 
I don't see what Aerodactyl is doing on this team at all. Iggy has mentioned about the difficulties with fending off Scarfchomp and Metagross, you could add Bronzong over Aerodactyl with Stealth Rock and Hypnosis for advantage. Mop also noted of the Vaporeon>Starmie alternative, it's good as long as you don't come accross Toxic Spikes (which works through Substitute) which isn't going to help.

I really, really don't like changing alot of team members, so there's some other routes you can follow. However, if you decided that your team could do with some drastic changes, try:

Forretress>Starmie
Celebi>Aerodactyl
Vaporeon>Jirachi

If you're interested, I will reply with some movesets to meet your requirements.
 
You want SR>Thunder Fang/Whirlwind on Aerodactyl as neither of those two would work well. Trust me I run that lead and SR's get down every time. Marowak would greatly appreciate rocks for incoming flyers.

No a threat list is not required, but it is recommended. Your threat list is kind of screwed up. Alot of those "counters" get raped upon switching in.

Example: Tyranitar can Sub on the switch and Ice Beam to hell while you try to kill it with your "counters".
 
Wow I appreciated all the comments ive decided to take off thunder fang for SR but he is remaining my lead because of taunt. I would like to try vap over starmie and celebi over jirachi, what kind of builds should I run?
 
y'know, Ursaring is a great BL to base a team around ;)

anyways, I could see life orb gengar giving this team problems, hurting just about everyone and outspeeding everyone except 'tran, who can't switch in very well. Making Jirachi specially defensive could help, but that would leave you hurting on the physical side. Putting a resttalk gyarados over starmie could help you with that, but then you have half your team weak to rock. putting bronzong over aerodactyl helps that, and also gives you a sleep inducer and the all-important stealth rock, as well as giving you insurance against mamoswine, a pokemon that could hit this team hard.

You could ignore the whole resttalk dos thing just and put vappy over starmie as everyone else suggested, too, but bronzong seems like a better choice to me than aerodactyl as far as leads go.

This team is also rather salamence weak. If the dragon dancer gets in a dd or two, its game over, and nobody likes to switch in on a specs or life orb draco meteor other than jirachi and heatran, who are covered by hydro pump (or brick break on the mix variant) and fire blast. Just some stuff to consider.​
 
well I was thinking of a bronzomg lead but in my experience he is is set up bait, if they start of with a sub I can't put it to sleep so he can be set up upon. The taunting aero is so they are stuck with damage moves in which I can switch to things that can take hits and sub up or status, could you guys provide a good example of how a bronzomg lead could help againest common leads? And I know ursaring is a good bl poke ;) but you had one team already so I wanted something new.
 
but you had one team already so I wanted something new.
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A Marowak/Scarftran/SubPass team is not as new as you may think! ^_^

Anyway, I think your priority needs to be Stealth Rock. Since you're going for an "all-or-nothing" Marowak sweep, you need to make sure things like Gengar and Weavile aren't just gonna break out a Sash and flatten Marowak. Also, Stealth Rocks all but guarantee that SD Fire Punch will OHKO Skarmory; he has a reasonable chance of survival otherwise. It's also a nice deterrent to all the Flying Pokemon who will happily throw themself at Marowak in an attempt to absorb an Earthquake. You can put it on Jirachi over Light Screen.

Also, I don't like this Aerodactyl. I've never understood why people place tanking moves like Stealth Rock, Whirlwind and Taunt on a Pokemon with the same defence as Weavile. If you're looking for a bulky utility Poke use one! And if you're looking for a fast physical sweeper use one, but don't try and make Aerodactyl do both because it will fail everytime.

Your team seems weak to a Swords Dance/Choice Band Weavile as Marowak, Starmie, Aerodactyl and Zapdos are OHKO'd while only Aero is fast enough to do anything about it. Heatran is outsped and 2HKO'd. I'd be tempted to flip Heatran to Timid nature so that he can outrun Weaviles, DDnites and ScarfHera as all three of those are death to your team and a revenge killer is your best shot.

Your counter list is pretty flawed too...Marowak does not counter Heatran and Aerodactyl does not counter Tyranitar. For future reference;

A counter must be able to both switch into the pokémon it's supposed to counter, with little to no risk to itself, and also pose an immediate threat to said pokémon.
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A Marowak/Scarftran/SubPass team is not as new as you may think! ^_^
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Seeing as you have marowak in your sig... 0_0 you must have it!! :pimp: *edit after seeing another RMT it had a link to yours...suprisingly i had never seen it before but the suggestions im getting are generally the same pokemon. =) I am honored to have the Marowak Man Himself Rate this team. =P

Also, I don't like this Aerodactyl. I've never understood why people place tanking moves like Stealth Rock, Whirlwind and Taunt on a Pokemon with the same defence as Weavile. If you're looking for a bulky utility Poke use one! And if you're looking for a fast physical sweeper use one, but don't try and make Aerodactyl do both because it will fail everytime.
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Oh i see why people are telling me bronzong, never really understand why. thanks!

Your team seems weak to a Swords Dance/Choice Band Weavile as Marowak, Starmie, Aerodactyl and Zapdos are OHKO'd while only Aero is fast enough to do anything about it. Heatran is outsped and 2HKO'd. I'd be tempted to flip Heatran to Timid nature so that he can outrun Weaviles, DDnites and ScarfHera as all three of those are death to your team and a revenge killer is your best shot.
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Well seeing as starmie is being replaced by vaporeon and jirachi is being replaced by celebi, would i still need to change heatran to timid? would it lower his killing power significantly? or no?

Your counter list is pretty flawed too...Marowak does not counter Heatran and Aerodactyl does not counter Tyranitar. For future reference;
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I know i rushed the threats list. =( ill make approriate changes once i get home.
 
My i suggest Crunch over T fang and Whirlwind on Aerodactyl, the mayn reason was to counter Gyarados, but Aero doesn't like Intimidate, and is it swithches in, Ice Fang and Waterfall hit it, butter let starme do that job!
 
Just a little nitpicking.

Better to have Lum Berry on Bronzong. Gengar sleeps you, you wake, OHKO with Gyro Ball.

-Defense nature on Heatran, gives it a slight bigger punch for whatever you blow up. Could make the difference between Blissey Softboileding or having to switch in something else.

You're not carrying IB on Vaporeon, the SpAtk EVs aren't needed cause you're not attempting to OHKO Garchomp, might as well maximize out it's tanking and max HP.
 
very true about the gengar just had a few battles with gengar sleep leads, added lum berry. Vap is more of a wishing tank so changed EV spread, however wouldnt an explosion kill a bliss with SR support?
 
I didn't really check out your weakness's, but I have had great success running floatzel with marowak to set it up. Consider this.

~ Baton Pass
~ Bulk Up
~ Taunt
~ Waterfall
40 HP / 252 Def / 216 Spe
This is the EXACT set from the smogon analysis, but it goes great with marowak. Test it over vaporeon...I think you get more out of marowak with this being sent to him, and only a couple bulk ups are needed. It doesn't outspeed starmie though, which means its thunderbolt could mess you up :(.
 
I was pretty disapointed when I saw that Marowak didn't have fling. It would have made this thread that tiny little bit better.

Seriosly though, I love Marowak, and it is great that you have made such a great team to work around it.
 
This team looks familiar!

Your Bronzong is Magnezone's bitch at the moment, so I'd reccomend Earthquake or Explosion over Light Screen. On average your team has a very high Sp Def (97.8 average), so Light Screen isn't bringing too much anyway and Explosion is always handy for breaking down a team, or EQ can catch Infernape/Heatran on the switch.

As a matter of fact, your whole team is Magnezone's bitch. None of your Pokemon will enjoy fighting a Magnezone that is behind a Sub; Celebi, Zapdos and Bronzong can't even break it whilst Marowak and Vaporeon take massive amounts of damage. You'll have to throw Heatran at it and force it out, but that will only work once as Magnezone easily 2HKO's...and if Heatran happens to lock himself into HP Ice, then Magnezone can trap him and make things a lot easier for himself.

If you were to teach Zapdos Roost > Sub (lets face it, you have a better subpasser now), then you'd be able to pressure stall any Magnezone that lacks Thunder Wave and it'll help to keep him alive longer. Not the most effective way to beat 'Zone...your other option is to sub out Celebi for Snorlax/Blissey.
 
Well after testing this team it seems Zaptos seems pretty lacking usually not getting speed passes very well and spike teams tear apart vap heatran and maro, so suggestions? bronzong has been an very good lead though. Also Kingdra seems to be a problem till its T waved...
 
You could use a Tangrowth with Stun Spore, to paralyze grounds(lol garchomp) or elec absorbing pokes.

Then you can take out agility OR sub on zapdos, and put in Thunder Wave, for better para support.
 
could someone recommend me something can absorb toxic spikes that could fit into my team? because they keep destroying my BP passes and messing up my main hitters.
 
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