To Challenge OU with UU and BL, thy name is insanity.

Highlygifted

I'm one of those people, who's the odd nail sticking out of place on the plank known as society. When society wants all the nails pegged in, I refuse to go in. When they want them out, I'll be stuck pegged, firm as I can be. And when it comes to Pokemon, I'm gonna fight the establishment. The boundaries of UU, BL, OU mean nothing to me. There are 493 Pokemon, and when stripping out the Ubers, we still have 470+. Yet we do not use them. Sure out of the 470+, most of them aren't fully evolved. Alright, lets count them out. We arrive with around 150 or so Pokemon, more or less. Yet in competitive play, I keep encountering Tyranitar, Salamence, Garchomp, Blissey, Starmie, and so forth. I have been sick of seeing Metagross after Metagross, that I have said enough is enough. I want to challenge OU, using this team. I want to actually feel like this game isn't all about those select few. So here I am today, asking for some help to formulate my team.
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Espeon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Synchronize
EVs:252 Speed, 252 Sp.Atk, 6 HP
Nature:Timid
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Electric
- Grass Knot

Can't say much. I think this can outspeed most openers, and deal some damage where it hurts. If I'm up against a Gengar, I'm pretty sure it'll be decided by what item he holds. Electric because too many people think Fighting is always the HP for Espeon, having Electric alone sweeped the last half of a team. Skarmory, Gyarados, Yanmega, they all died because of this lovely surprise.

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Torkoal @ Leftovers/Focus Sash
Ability: White Smoke
EVs:252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp.Def
Nature: Impish
- Overheat
- Rapid Spin
- Yawn
- Explosion

Here's where my prediction works. I can scare of Skarmory, and it'll be a gamble if I don't. Yawn can give me a free round, or put them to sleepm but I doubt anyone would try and stay around for the effect to kick in, and would swap in someone that can defeat Torkoal, so I'd use Explosion right on cue, to take that sucker out. Overheat is a natural STAB and Skarmory roaster. The reason it's Impish, is because I spent a while hunting for the shiny form, and the IV is actually pretty good.


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Feraligatr @ Salac Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Nature: Adamant
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Punch
- Crunch

Let's see here, we'll be trying to take full advantage of Torrent + Salac's speed boost here. Nothing much really. Crunch over Dragon Claw since I prefer him having the ability to cover Cressy, and because Ice Punch should already be enough to knock the living daylights out of Dragon types.

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Hitmonchan @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs:240 Speed, 252 Attack, 18 HP
Nature: Adamant
- Thunder Punch
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Mach Punch

Alright, after further testing with this team, results yield positive for this guy is my team's MVP. Turned the tide of 4-1, gets me out of a sticky situation, it's all Hitmonchan.


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Muk @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Sticky Hold
EVs:Sp.Def 252, HP 252, Defense 6
Nature: Careful
- Curse
- Rest
- Gunk Shot
- Fire Punch

Nothing to see here, other than a Special Wall. I'll Curse my way to hell, then use it to make up for lack of Attack EV's. I'm betting heavily on survival long enough to make use of Payback. Fire Punch will ruin those who hoped Steel types can fend off this blob of goop. Gunk Shot is a STAB that is a gamble, but will hopefully hit.

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Shuckle @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 6 Sp.Def
Nature: Sassy
- Stealth Rock
- Attract
- Encore
- Toxic

I don't plan on dragging him out until the opponent's Sand Stream kicks in, be it from Ttar or Hippowdon. Attract is to take just infatuate a sad sucker, to increase Toxic time.

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Please comment, and critique. I know it may sound bold, and foolhardy to make such a statement about taking on OU Pokemon with this team I myself have yet to master, but I think I've been faring quite well on Shoddy with UU/BL Pokemon alone, and I'm confident a fusion of my testing will prove useful here.
 
Highlygifted said:
I'm one of those people, who's the odd nail sticking out of place on the plank known as society. When society wants all the nails pegged in, I refuse to go in. When they want them out, I'll be stuck pegged, firm as I can be. And when it comes to Pokemon, I'm gonna fight the establishment. The boundaries of UU, BL, OU mean nothing to me. There are 493 Pokemon, and when stripping out the Ubers, we still have 470+. Yet we do not use them. Sure out of the 470+, most of them aren't fully evolved. Alright, lets count them out. We arrive with around 150 or so Pokemon, more or less. Yet in competitive play, I keep encountering Tyranitar, Salamence, Garchomp, Blissey, Starmie, and so forth. I have been sick of seeing Metagross after Metagross, that I have said enough is enough. I want to challenge OU, using this team. I want to actually feel like this game isn't all about those select few. So here I am today, asking for some help to formulate my team.
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Espeon @ Choice Scarf/Aspear Berry/Choice Specs
Ability: Synchronize
EVs:252 Speed, 252 Sp.Atk, 6 HP
Nature: Modest/Timid
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Grass Knot

Can't say much. I think this can outspeed most openers, and deal some damage where it hurts. If I'm up against a Gengar, I'm pretty sure it'll be decided by what item he holds. I can also hope to switch in to counter Sleep status, if I choose to hold the Aspear Berry, as Synchronize will help out here. The problem is, I don't think it's worth it to give up the speed boost.
Props for using espeon. Use specs with timid, because most people arn't that stupid to Hypnosis an espeon. It comes down to prediction. YOu predict a Hypnosis, stay in. You predict any other move, switch to Muk.

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Torkoal @ Leftovers/Focus Sash
Ability: White Smoke
EVs:252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Sp.Def
Nature: Impish
- Overheat
- Rapid Spin/Protect
- Stealth Rock/Yawn
- Explosion

Here's where my prediction works. I can scare of Skarmory, and it'll be a gamble if I don't. I can Yawn + Protect, but I doubt anyone would try and stay around for the effect to kick in, and would swap in someone that can defeat Torkoal, so I'd use Explosion right on cue, to take that sucker out. Overheat is a natural STAB and Skarmory roaster. The jury is still out on whether Stealth Rock works or not. The reason it's Impish, is because I spent a while hunting for the shiny form, and the IV is actually pretty good.
Do what you want. Run some calcs and find out how much damage overheat does to Skarm. You already have SR on shuckle.

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Feraligatr @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Nature: Adamant
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Punch
- Dragon Claw/Crunch
Is a bitch. All good here, but consider Salac over Lefties.
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Hitmonchan @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs:252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
Nature: Adamant
- Thunder Punch
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Mach Punch/Bullet Punch/Stone Edge/Pursuit

Ah yes, a standard Hitmonchan. I'm betting it all on Speed here, since it's Speed isn't anything to be proud of. Very common moves, but I'm having some trouble with the last slot, since they're all about who should I keep in mind for countering.
Straight from the book. You hit somthing like 376 speed with Scarf and outrun Base 120's like dugtrio. You shouldn't stay in on the 130's and swellow, weavile falls to mach punch.


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Muk @ Black Sludge
Ability: Sticky Hold
EVs:Sp.Def 252, HP 200, 58 Defense
Nature: Careful
- Curse
- Payback
- Gunk Shot
- Fire Punch

Nothing to see here, other than a Special Wall. I'll Curse my way to hell, then use it to make up for lack of Attack EV's. I'm betting heavily on survival long enough to make use of Payback. Fire Punch will ruin those who hoped Steel types can fend off this blob of goop. Gunk Shot is a STAB that is a gamble, but will hopefully hit.
ReStalk on there somewhere. You can't have a special wall without some form of healing. Drop 2 attacks, or 1 and just have rest.

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Shuckle @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 6 Sp.Def
Nature: Sassy
- Stealth Rock
- Rest
- Encore
- Toxic

I don't plan on dragging him out until the opponent's Sand Stream kicks in, be it from Ttar or Hippowdon. Gyro Ball to take advantage of his speed, and the last two are just to set up annoying stats. I know not to use him against Blissey, since Stoss can end his life.
Lawl it's shuckle. Gyro ball is doing shit, you're better off with rest. You're wallef by steels anyway.

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This team may seem a bit too defensive, and lack some type coverage. Sp.Atk is low,
Not with espeon+specs
so I think I need to swap Muk for another Sp.Sweeper.
O_o
Please comment, and critique. I know it may sound bold, and foolhardy to make such a statement about taking on OU Pokemon with this team I myself have yet to master, but I think I've been faring quite well on Shoddy with UU/BL Pokemon alone, and I'm confident a fusion of my testing will prove useful here.
It can catch people off guard, which is your main selling point. Consider swapping 'Chan with swellow to outrun stuff better.
Jolly 252/252 atk/speed with flame orb.
Protect
AA
Facade
Filler

At any rate, Props for posting Yet another BL team. Just remember that some people keep an open mind and are prepaired to defend against BL/UU pokes. Watch out for ScarfGar.
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Maybe calling Muk a wall is a bit much. He can stall, and pack quite a punch at the same time, but that's his selling point to me. I don't think Rest would be to my advantage, unless I drop Black Sludge for an Aspear Berry, and that doesn't seem too wise. Another move I was considering for him was Shadow Sneak, to be able to pull a fast one. Opinions on this?
 
Highlygifted said:
Maybe calling Muk a wall is a bit much. He can stall, and pack quite a punch at the same time, but that's his selling point to me. I don't think Rest would be to my advantage, unless I drop Black Sludge for an Aspear Berry, and that doesn't seem too wise. Another move I was considering for him was Shadow Sneak, to be able to pull a fast one. Opinions on this?
You've got the wrong berry. Chesto is the Sleep recover.
Use 252/252 careful hp/SDfce with curse.
Otherwise you have no special "Wall" And get owned by anything with base 90 special attack.
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To Challenge OU with UU and BL, thy name is insanity.
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Muk @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Sticky Hold
EVs:Sp.Def 252, HP 252
Nature: Careful
- Curse
- Rest
- Gunk Shot
- Fire Punch

Would this suffice then?
 
I've reviewed the other corrections, and I will look into them further. However, for Shuckle, giving him Rest, won't that be handing time to the other side on a silver platter? Chesto is out of the question, since Leftovers is indefinitely more useful, and Sleep Talk won't make a difference.
 
Aspear Berry cures Freeze, not Sleep. Also, Synchronize only works with Poison, Paralyze, and Burn, not Sleep or Freeze.

Kudos for the BL/UU team! Especially the Muk and the Hitmonchan. And the Shuckle. And the Feraligatr. In fact, especially the entire team.
 
Thanks, I suppose. 0_O

I was already told of the berry error, but the Synch knowledge is new. I'll be sure to edit the first post. I play by UU and BL Pokemon, because I enjoy the challenge it gives, and to have Pokemon unique from everyone else who sticks with the same small pool of Poke's. This time though, I want to move out of the limit, and challenge those OU's. I had Tauros and Persian lined up, but the idea of Close Combat being so common threw that idea out, and to add to it, they lacked any real specialties that makes them worthy of a slot.
 
I love the idea. It's good to see something different every once in a while.

Now, I want to see it in action. Espeon and Hitmonchan are some of my favorites, so it'll be cool to see them get some real use.
 
I am pretty sure that you want Relaxed on that Torkoal. You are not outspeeding anything with that anyways, and with Relaxed Overheat becomes an easy OHKO on Skarmory, as well as doing a lot more to Cloyster. I would say Will-o-Wisp>Yawn but if you want to abuse the rocks then you are fine.

Why do you have Salac Berry>Leftovers/Lum Berry/Wacan Berry/Liechi Berry? Dragon Dance will make you faster than most things and if you aren't Feraligatr can take a hit like a man. Maybe put a Wacan Berry on there to reduce the damage taken from the likes of Starmie and Cresselia with Thunderbolt/Charge Beam respectively.

I believe the pool of pokes in OU is about the same of UU...
 
for alakazam you could, in theory, replace your stab (psychic) with trick and go in the way of coverage, becuase the only guys you'll be using psychic on are walls (pretty much everyone else will die to a different move), and trick works better for walls anyways. just something you may want to consider.

or if you don't like trick, zam is still faster and hits harder.
 
Alakazam lacks the ability to withstand a hit properly. Although he does have better Speed and Sp.Atk, I would rather have the insurance of surviving a hard hitting attack, than just getting the small smidge of power. Also, would having HP Electric work with Espeon? It'd be a unusual twist from usual Espeons packing HP Fighting, and it would end a certain flying/water type's life in a single move. ^_^

As for Feraligatr, his base speed is nothing really worth using, and theres no 100% chance I'll be able to pull of a Dragon Dance all the time. So in theory, Salac would be the most beneficial. Let's say I have him swap in for a near death attack, Salac works, then I can proceed to unleash some fury. That's the plan I intend on using, to use him as a revenge killer.

As for Torkoal's nature, Impish doesn't boost speed, it gives Def. at the cost of Atk. I spent a horrible time getting her- Chaining to 40 in the ash that took a whole day, breaking it by accident, then finding her the next morning in a Chain of 3. And the result was a good natured Torkoal for defense, and the IV's are good. I don't plan on giving up this Torkoal, no matter what, be it I'm a sentimental fool, or I have a belief this will work.
 
I was thinking, of trading Shuckle for Flygon. It'd be cushioning the Electric and Ground type attacks that my team has no resistance to. I won't be letting it stick around for Ice Beam obviously, and it'd serve more of a sponge than a sweeper. Ideas?
 
Feraligatr is an inferior gyarados, to make it useful give this

Ferligatr @ salac
{adamant}
evs: 252 attack / 252 speed / 4 hp
- Swords dance
- Waterfall
- Dragon claw / ice punch / rock slide
- Endure

Swords dance up, endure the hit and sweep with torrent boosted watefall at + 2 attack. The 3rd move is for coverage. Dragon claw has the best but ice punch wll hit things like grass types for super effectie damage, rock slide is good coverage. B
 
Umm Feraligatr isn't an inferior Gyarados. One of the most common switchins for Gyarados are Cresselia and Starmie. Reason being is they pack an electric attack and are bulky enough to take its hits. Well Feraligatr has several key things about him.

1.) No Stealth Rock weakness thus less of a worry when using LO.
2.) Just a 2x electric weak instead of 4x, which means Starmie can only do a max of 66% to standard versions.
3.) Torrent is more useful than Intimidate when it comes to sweeping. It makes Waterfall capable of grabbing a lot of KOs that Gyarados couldn't.
4.) Feraligatr has Crunch>Bite for those that want to 2HKO Cressy after 2 DDs.
5.) And finally, Feraligatr has a sexy base 100 defense meaning it doesn't have to dump as many EVs into defense to be bulky.

Just keep those in mine, the two pokes play completely different Porky and I feel like people aren't noticing that DD Gatr can sweep at any moment.

BTW, Endure on Feraligatr is a complete waste, Substitute would be better to protect from status as well as possibly giving him a free Swords Dance/DD. Tho I would definitely still say keep DD because DDers are more fearsome than Swords Dancers.
 
Albatross2KO said:
Umm Feraligatr isn't an inferior Gyarados. One of the most common switchins for Gyarados are Cresselia and Starmie. Reason being is they pack an electric attack and are bulky enough to take its hits. Well Feraligatr has several key things about him.

1.) No Stealth Rock weakness thus less of a worry when using LO.
2.) Just a 2x electric weak instead of 4x, which means Starmie can only do a max of 66% to standard versions.
3.) Torrent is more useful than Intimidate when it comes to sweeping. It makes Waterfall capable of grabbing a lot of KOs that Gyarados couldn't.
4.) Feraligatr has Crunch>Bite for those that want to 2HKO Cressy after 2 DDs.
5.) And finally, Feraligatr has a sexy base 100 defense meaning it doesn't have to dump as many EVs into defense to be bulky.

Just keep those in mine, the two pokes play completely different Porky and I feel like people aren't noticing that DD Gatr can sweep at any moment.

BTW, Endure on Feraligatr is a complete waste, Substitute would be better to protect from status as well as possibly giving him a free Swords Dance/DD. Tho I would definitely still say keep DD because DDers are more fearsome than Swords Dancers because of their boosted speed.
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You're right alba. gatr over gyara for cressy and starmie.

Go ahead and test Flygon.
 
Hitmonchan is voted MVP for sweeping 4 enemies and turning the tide of a 4-1 game to me winning. Espeon holding HP Electric also gets chosen since she's been clobbering Skarmory's, Gyarados's, and quite a few others who didn't expect such a uncommon HP.
 
Just dropping in to suggest removing focus sash as a possible item on Torkoal. As he's your spinner, you'll instantly be losing the sash as soon as you come in anyway, regardless of whether or not you take an attack. Leftovers is probably optimal, or if you're feeling gutsy, make use of the damage reducing ground/water berries (Can't remember their names off hand). Then you can afford to switch in and don't need to fear the evident switch on their part so much.
 
Brilliant. Just brilliant. o.o
I'm surprised I forgot about the type damage reducing berries.

Anyway, update- I've beaten a team of OU's with Scylant, using the combination stated in the first post. Shuckle Encoring Scylant and Gyarados allowed the other Pokemon to work some wonders, especially Torkoal, since he was able to set up Yawn and it worked like a charm, although I expected a switch out so I exploded, and I was wrong. Still, Gyarados bit the dust, and that's the important thing, which meant I could cleanly sweep the rest. 5-0 win.
 
Albatross2KO said:
Umm Feraligatr isn't an inferior Gyarados. One of the most common switchins for Gyarados are Cresselia and Starmie. Reason being is they pack an electric attack and are bulky enough to take its hits. Well Feraligatr has several key things about him.

1.) No Stealth Rock weakness thus less of a worry when using LO.

Spin support is fun

2.) Just a 2x electric weak instead of 4x, which means Starmie can only do a max of 66% to standard versions.

Right, makes sense but the electric weakness can work to an advantage, things like dugtrio, and electivire have fun.

3.) Torrent is more useful than Intimidate when it comes to sweeping. It makes Waterfall capable of grabbing a lot of KOs that Gyarados couldn't.

The gator will have a tough time getting torrent off, and when he has it priority will run right through you.

4.) Feraligatr has Crunch>Bite for those that want to 2HKO Cressy after 2 DDs.

Really, if your opponent lets you DD twice, he's an idiot. And even if that, cresselia will thudnerwave or reflect and kill you with charge beam.

5.) And finally, Feraligatr has a sexy base 100 defense meaning it doesn't have to dump as many EVs into defense to be bulky.

Intimidate helps this, along with gyarados' bulkier stats and higher sdef.
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I probably worded that wrong, as a DD sweeper gyarados is better. His typing is better resistance wise, and intimidate forces many switches allowing him to get off DDs easy.

Overall, gyarados is a better pokemon, imo he gets DDs off way easier and also has stone edge for good coverage.
 
Gator has earned itself a permanent spot on my team. When all seemed hopeless for a 4-1 game, I managed to turn it around using Gator. Having predicted a survival, I used Dragon Dance first. Then he was bumped down to a measly 1% HP. This however, gave him the Salac Boost. DD + Salac + Torrent, really came into effect here. He proceeded to 1 hit everything, going first. So a hopeless battle against a OU team was turned around thanks to him. His usefulness is now clenched, and I'm just about done testing this team.
 
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