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So how long before this becomes a recognized religion?
 
Watching the stream now, I start to suspect the voting is rigged somehow. More than two thirds of the posts appear to be votes for Democracy, yet the arrow steadily climbs towards Anarchy. With the step limit (and the price money) for the Safari Zone still being in play, it'll be ear-impossible to get through that part of the game without coordinated effort.

By the way, what is the optimal step count going through the Safari Zone? They have to grab both the Gold Teeth and the Surf HM. I suspect it's around 250-300 steps, which means more than half the steps need to be in the right direction for this to succeed.

EDIT: Also, any commands "Start[number]" should be hard banned and anybody voting for it should be booted.
 
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apparently the rom is going to be modded so that there is no step count

also im pretty sure votes only count if they're to the system not currently in power
 
^Didn't look much like that. The anarchists kept pressing the bar away from the democracy treshold, but was eventually overcome. Then they resorted to spamming "Start9", a command I'm frankly surprised hasn't been banned yet. There is NO reason to ever press start more than once other than trolling. That being said, all Start[odd number] commands have the exact same effect in the end, as the menu remains open once the command is executed.

I also think they will let the step limit remain in place for a few more tries, or at least until they are running low on money. I guess it's also possible that the price will be reduced to zero if they end up not affording entry.
 
Wasn't there something about the price to enter being reduced if you don't have enough money? You just get a proportionally smaller number of balls. It's supposed to be a game mechanic, but who honestly ever doesn't have enough money to get into the Safari Zone... >.>
 
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^Didn't look much like that. The anarchists kept pressing the bar away from the democracy treshold, but was eventually overcome. Then they resorted to spamming "Start9", a command I'm frankly surprised hasn't been banned yet. There is NO reason to ever press start more than once other than trolling. That being said, all Start[odd number] commands have the exact same effect in the end, as the menu remains open once the command is executed.

I also think they will let the step limit remain in place for a few more tries, or at least until they are running low on money. I guess it's also possible that the price will be reduced to zero if they end up not affording entry.
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they do it because it's a way of protesting "democracy is a shit system and here's why"

Daenym said:
Wasn't there something about the price to enter being reduced if you don't have enough money? You just get a proportionally smaller number of balls. It's supposed to be a game mechanic, but who honestly ever doesn't have enough money to get into the Safari Zone... >.>
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that was added in Yellow, not RBG
 
So apparently the step counter is still kept as is and a huge democracy/anarchy war is brewing right now after we somehow dug out back to the pokemon center again...

Edit: Aaaaaaand Democracy has dawned upon us once more!
Edit2: Start9 ppl at it again -_-
Edit3: And here comes anarchy again, oh well
 
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X5Dragon said:
So apparently the step counter is still kept as is and a huge democracy/anarchy war is brewing right now after we somehow dug out back to the pokemon center again...
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We've actually been making decent progress recently. We've just beaten Koga and caught a bunch of Pokemon. Not to mention that Pidgeot is way overleveled. But that Safari zone looks like it's going to be a struggle. I think we can all agree that, as long as the counter is still active, we absolutely need democracy just this once.
 
I think that sooner or later, out of sheer desperation, someone will delete pokemon you need to finish the game ...more you advance and more people will desire to destroy The Team...

For example i think that we need Snorlax in The Team and Lapras too but they can only stay in the pc and withdrawing is dangerous.
 
Pyritie said:
they do it because it's a way of protesting "democracy is a shit system and here's why"
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The image that comes to mind is not one of people collectively stating that the system is bad, it's one of a little child throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get it the way he wants. "Democracy doesn't work because when it is in effect, we will make sure to break it" isn't a message convincing me to root for anarchy. It is akin to a kid not wanting to visit the library with his class, but when they vote to go there anyway, he starts screaming at the top of his lungs as soon as they enter to get the class thrown out. And then, when they vote over where to go for the next class trip, he uses them being thrown out as an argument against going to the library again. It's quite douchy behaviour, if I must say so myself.

The "start9" command only serves to tell that "I rather want to ruin the fun for everybody than letting the majority decide on what to do next". People voting for it signal that they shouldn't really be allowed to vote at all. Anarchy is fun and all that, but it has its clear and obvious limitations, and there are situations when coordination is absolutely required to progress.

And if they really are so opposed to Democracy, why don't they just vote for Anarchy instead of Start9? I mean, they have the options to either change the system back to the way they prefer, or keeping the system they don't like but also ruin it for everybody. Why the heck do sane people vote for the latter? There aren't enough trolls to consistently swing the votes in favour of Start9. It's a deliberate effort by otherwise decent anarchists to undermine Democracy whenever it is set in play. Either way, since Democracy is so pressed on time, if everybody who vote "Start9" instead had voted for Anarchy, the Democrats wouldn't be able to execute more than a handful of button presses before Anarchy was back on. That's how voting works, you know. Don't like the system? Vote to change it, you have the option and power to do so, instead of sticking with it solely to commit abuse.
 
Cobraroll said:
The image that comes to mind is not one of people collectively stating that the system is bad, it's one of a little child throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get it the way he wants. "Democracy doesn't work because when it is in effect, we will make sure to break it" isn't a message convincing me to root for anarchy. It is akin to a kid not wanting to visit the library with his class, but when they vote to go there anyway, he starts screaming at the top of his lungs as soon as they enter to get the class thrown out. And then, when they vote over where to go for the next class trip, he uses them being thrown out as an argument against going to the library again. It's quite douchy behaviour, if I must say so myself.

The "start9" command only serves to tell that "I rather want to ruin the fun for everybody than letting the majority decide on what to do next". People voting for it signal that they shouldn't really be allowed to vote at all. Anarchy is fun and all that, but it has its clear and obvious limitations, and there are situations when coordination is absolutely required to progress.
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You could say that about people doing douchey things in any other part of the game. Pressing down on the ledge? Pressing start in general when there's no need to press start?

The tantrum metaphor could also be applied to democracy being added in the first place. This whole stream started with a much smaller userbase that loved just seeing all the silly stuff that ended up happening by everyone pressing commands at the same time. It's the whole reason why injokes like the helix fossil or false shepherd flareon are even a thing, and without them, this stream would be a lot less interesting to watch and it would basically be "lets play pokemon correctly but extremely slowly" and that's no fun to watch.

As the stream got more popular, people with shorter attention spans who aren't into pokemon as the early adapters hopped aboard. And although before, spending 9 hours to get past the ledge or failing to defeat misty many times was something nobody really minded much, when we got to the spinning puzzles, after hearing about how they've spent 24 hours on them, a lot of these more recent watchers just gave up, despite the fact that they did solve one of them TWICE. Sure, they used dig/escape rope immediately afterwards, but it showed that it was indeed possible to finish them the old fashioned way.

Now that democracy has been added, any time we approach even a remotely difficult bit, democracyfags immediately start screaming and throwing a tantrum because they can't wait long enough for anarchy to work. They just want to get the game over with without any more mistakes which is completely counterproductive to why the stream was enjoyable in the first place.

It's like that kid who doesn't want to work together with his class and wants to do everything his way because everyone else is wrong and he's going to bawl about it until the teacher begrudgingly gives in just to shut him up.

And if they really are so opposed to Democracy, why don't they just vote for Anarchy instead of Start9? I mean, they have the options to either change the system back to the way they prefer, or keeping the system they don't like but also ruin it for everybody. Why the heck do sane people vote for the latter? There aren't enough trolls to consistently swing the votes in favour of Start9. It's a deliberate effort by otherwise decent anarchists to undermine Democracy whenever it is set in play. Either way, since Democracy is so pressed on time, if everybody who vote "Start9" instead had voted for Anarchy, the Democrats wouldn't be able to execute more than a handful of button presses before Anarchy was back on. That's how voting works, you know. Don't like the system? Vote to change it, you have the option and power to do so, instead of sticking with it solely to commit abuse.
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Start9 is deliberate stalling to both frustrate the democracyfags and stall for time -- with such a long period between each vote, and votes often being split ("up", "up3", and "up3right" are counted separately, for example), it's not too difficult for start9 to win. And while that's going on, the people who normally would spam "democracy" are now voting on commands, which means there's plenty of time for the rest to swing it back to anarchy.

This also has a good explanation as to why start9 is an effective tool to move it back to anarchy and isn't just for trolling: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/a/156809
 
Tbh, democracy isn't as effective as you would think it is. I mean, if you look at the stream now, you can see how hard it is just to get down a few steps. The steps are exactly to the right, so everyone votes right, Red moves right. But after moving right, the votes for 'right' continue to pile up, and he moves right again -_-
 
^Yup the lag is screwing us both ways lol. That being said I am glad the anarchists put aside their differences (start9 is all but dead right now) and kind of agreed that the Safari is an exception and Domecracy is a necessary evil.

Edit: "They just want to get the game over with without any more mistakes"

Lolno. They want to complete the game where the chances of a freaking 50K+ community with 20 seconds of lag succeeding in a complicated puzzle or worse, a step counter area is less than .003% with minimal mistakes. Who decided it will be fun if we got stuck in a place for a month and the participation all but disappears?

We all want to have fun, but at a very few places Anarchy can't provide it.
 
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T-Bolt said:
Tbh, democracy isn't as effective as you would think it is. I mean, if you look at the stream now, you can see how hard it is just to get down a few steps. The steps are exactly to the right, so everyone votes right, Red moves right. But after moving right, the votes for 'right' continue to pile up, and he moves right again -_-
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When it comes to lag, it's still better than anarchy...

Also, I've just noticed that the democracy->anarchy threshold is at 50% now. Is that new?
 
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