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Because Dream Eater's a Psychic move...

But yes, thank you for bringing up the Giovanni battle in Origins. Okay, so on the one side we have a Jolteon. 95 SpD, that's not too bad, while it's at full health. On the other, a Rhydon, with 45 SpA. Y'all of course know how this ends. And although it's really in a completely different context, here is the calc just for funsies:

0 SpA Rhydon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 18-22 (6.6 - 8.1%)
252+ SpA Rhydon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 30-35 (11 - 12.9%)
Oh, and if this were a Gen VI match? Aim for the horn next time.

It made zero sense in the context of the show, even factoring in level advantage and the non-existence of abilities at this time. I know it was supposed to establish Giovanni as a badass, but all it did to me was just make the whole thing stupid.
 
Because Dream Eater's a Psychic move...

But yes, thank you for bringing up the Giovanni battle in Origins. Okay, so on the one side we have a Jolteon. 95 SpD, that's not too bad, while it's at full health. On the other, a Rhydon, with 45 SpA. Y'all of course know how this ends. And although it's really in a completely different context, here is the calc just for funsies:

0 SpA Rhydon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 18-22 (6.6 - 8.1%)
252+ SpA Rhydon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 30-35 (11 - 12.9%)
Oh, and if this were a Gen VI match? Aim for the horn next time.

It made zero sense in the context of the show, even factoring in level advantage and the non-existence of abilities at this time. I know it was supposed to establish Giovanni as a badass, but all it did to me was just make the whole thing stupid.
It's meant to show how badass he is.

I also like Tobias because he pisses off people who are still fans of the show for whatever reason, which makes me happy.
 
And he probably Dark Voided his way through the gyms, too. There's a Fighting Gym in Sinnoh, and Maylene has a Lucario (which would still quad-resist Dark Pulse at the time) in both game and anime. There's no way a single Dark-type could plow through three (or five) things it's weak to in a fair fight. Then again, Dark-types don't fight fair.
THAT is probably where his Latios came into play. Sure psychic attacks are only neutral but it has the bulk to power through a Lucario.
 
THAT is probably where his Latios came into play. Sure psychic attacks are only neutral but it has the bulk to power through a Lucario.
As far as I know it was referenced he only used darkai the entire league and gym battles. At least on the dub.
 
So quoth Bulbapedia:
Bulbapedia's Tobias Page said:
In Casting a Paul on Barry!, while Ash and Barry were looking up information about their next League opponents, Conway told them that Tobias managed to easily obtain his eight Gym Badges and advance through the first two rounds of the Lily of the Valley Conference using just his Darkrai. Barry was amazed by his shadowy and mysterious presence. ...

Darkrai is Tobias's main Pokémon. Using only Darkrai, Tobias easily won eight Badges in the Sinnoh region and quickly advanced through the first four rounds of the Lily of the Valley Conference.
So while going to Latios for that one gym would be the logical move (and what would have happened if the battle had taken place on-screen), it seems this particular Darkrai is just that badass. Or, as noted above, it Dark Void/Dream Eater spammed, since Dream Eater is a Psychic move.
 
Because Dream Eater's a Psychic move...

Yeah, its Psychic-type which does neutral damage to Lucario & Meditite and super effective damage against her Machoke. From what I took about Tobias before his battle against Ash is that Darkrai mostly Dark Void + Dream Eater their way to the top. It also knew Dark Pulse and Ice Beam for coverage (a STAB and something super effective against Dragon). Plus Darkrai is a Legendary, a trained Legendary at that, so combined with a pretty unstoppable combo it was very powerful (though still had paper thin defenses thus how Sceptile took it out with one Leaf Blade).

It's meant to show how badass he is.

And it would have been fine had he used a Rhydon and not Thunderbolt. But a Rhyhorn taking out most of Red's team sometime using ineffective moves isn't badass, it's cheap and no better then what the main anime does. Pokemon Origins is suppose to be closer to the games but here's this Rhyhorn godmodding its way through Red's team just so Charizard can take it out because it has the strongest bond with Red. Please, Hitmonlee should have taken out that Rhyhorn and have enough energy to run several laps around the Gym.

Another thing about Origins which bothered me was its portrayal of Blue, particularly during the Silph Co. takeover. In Origins Red and Blue help a Silph Co. worker get away from Team Rocket. She tells them what happens and Blue goes "whatever I'm leaving". Okay, Blue is a jerk to Red because they're rivals but I don't think he's a heartless a$$hole. Like if they had Blue say this is over their head and they should have the police handle this that would have made sense, but instead he's perfectly willing to ignore what happened and even acts surprise when Red gets angry at him. Sure in the games Blue didn't help either, though when you defeat him he says you're ready to battle Giovanni so you could take it that he knew the player was able to handle things.
 
Yeah, much as I do like some things Origins did, like going a bit more into why Giovanni would disband his entire organization after battling a 10 year old, I do feel like the Rhyhorn lasting so long was a bit BS.

I feel like a better formula might've been to kind of reverse it. Have Red plow through a few Giovanni Pokemon w/ Hitmonlee or Lapras or something. Then, Giovanni pulls out Rhydon and steamrolls everything down to the final Charizard 1v1.

And one thing that really, REALLY bothered me, is that Origins overglorified Charizard, almost more than the typical anime does Pikachu. Charizard is honestly more important to the Origins battles than Goku was to DBZ: everything else maybe beats one opponent, then the entire squad basically gets swept for Charmander/Charizard to come in and win the fight. So many of the "full" onscreen battles went like that
- Brock
- Giovanni
- Mewtwo

Hell, it overshadows fucking Articuno against Mewtwo even before going Mega (by virtue of taking more than 1 hit), a fucking Legendary (and while Zard is arguably a better Pokemon, within the show Legendaries are supposed to be near a class of their own).

Blue didn't quite irritate me in Origins for the Silph Co. moment, because it at least is a bit less stupid than the games. Here's my thing: In game, you find Blue literally the room before Giovanni. His whole shtick in the games felt like 1-upping Red at every turn (beating him to every Gym, major location, even to the League), so why does he leave Giovanni to you? I'd expect him to be the type to beat Giovanni first, rub it in your face for being too slow, and then challenge you after. Might even have given Giovanni an opening to escape and turn up later at the 8th Gym (though obviously raising the issue when Blue gets the badge).

As far as Tobias, my big issue is that they really didn't go into him as much as they should have, and Darkrai would've been better kept as a hidden ace, since I figure being able to catch something that powerful could justify him making it that far in the league. Having a Legendary as his ace isn't even my biggest gripe, but the Latios he pulled out after; having multiple legendaries cheapens the effect of having befriended a legendary because for all we know his team's full of the damn things.
 
Well Tobias felt like a meta example of the typical guy that leads with darkai spams dark void and wins, there is no need to befriend, just command, Latios is just another pokemon he commanded.

I liked that part to be honest. Multiple legends just means he had more legends than your average guy.
 
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pika pal:
Giovanni reasons of disbanding Team Rocket did make a bit more sense in Origins:

Games: I, the greatest Pokemon trainer even though I'm not the Champion, have been defeated by a child! The shame, I cannot continue leading my criminal organization even though I have no reason not to continue. I will now go live in a cave behind a waterfall for 3 years.
Origins: Our battle has reminded me why I got into Pokemon battling in the first place. I decided to start over and go on a personal journey of discovery.

Of course that does sort of put a wrench in Gen II's plot point of Neo Team Rocket trying to get Giovanni back.

Also I think Red's bond with Charmander/Charizard to win a battle is done once per episode. Episode 1 was against Brock, Episode 2 was against Giovanni, Episode 3 was against Blue, and Episode 4 was against Mewtwo.

Blue was still doing it for selfish reasons, but at least in the games he assumingly battled through batches of Rocket Grunts. Origins actually made it a bit worse as they just saved a Silph Co. worker who was begging them for help. Though I do wonder if he did battle Giovanni or not in Silph Co., it sort of sounded like he did yet if he did why was Team Rocket still in Silph Co.? Would Blue agree to a deal with Giovanni that if he leaves Silph Co. then Giovanni will battle him in the Viridian Gym for the badge. Speaking of which, Blue won the Badge so he had to defeat Giovanni, so why is it when Red defeats Giovanni he acts like its a humiliating defeat? I suppose Origins having Giovanni use a special Pokemon was sort of meant to address that, but that doesn't answer it for the games. Though I suppose he could have unleashed his full power on Red while against Blue he didn't really care as he was more preparing for Red's arrival. *shrugs*

I personally think a neat thing they could have done with Tobias is that upon defeating Darkrai he would send out Pokemon you could figure he used to help catch Darkrai. Like I'm imagining him having a Pokemon with the Ability Early Bird/Insomnia/Vital Spirit, a Pokemon who's type is super effective or resists Dark, a Pokemon who can afflict status conditions, etc.. Show that he didn't just get lucky, he made a team specifically meant for catching Darkrai and he could also use in normal battle.

Norne:
While I think what I said above would have been neat, at the same time I do like the idea of a trainer who actually has a team of Legendary Pokemon (I'm surprised he haven't had a Champion who uses a Legendary). Honestly I think we maybe should have been shown one more Legendary.

Like Pikachu survives its Electro Iron Tail against Latios (but is still heavily damaged) and for Tobias next Pokemon he sends out a Regigigas. Tobias says it'll take 5 minutes for Slow Start to wear off so Ash has that much time to try and knock it out. Pikachu would attack Regigigas non-stop but no matter how much damage they do it doesn't seem to affect Regigigas. 5 minutes pass and Regigigas is ready to fight while Pikachu is exhausted from all the attacks it did plus its previous battle with Latios. Knowing this, Ash decides to forfeit which still gets respect from the crowd and Tobias who says he made the wise choice to choose the health of his Pokemon over a hopeless battle.
Honestly any Legendary (well, not any, I don't expect Tobias to be pulling out a box mascot) would do as his third with Ash forfeiting before the battle actually starts, however I think my idea with Regigigas would show its a hopeless battle while also showing Ash & Pikachu won't give up without at least trying to fight.

Kurona:
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Don't a lot of flying Bug-types not get Fly? Meanwhile a first stage Pokemon who are lighter than you have no trouble flying you across a region. Oh, and Golurk can learn Fly.

Maybe because ideals and truths don't hold any weight? *rimshot* :P
 
Don't a lot of flying Bug-types not get Fly? Meanwhile a first stage Pokemon who are lighter than you have no trouble flying you across a region. Oh, and Golurk can learn Fly.


It isn't just a lot of flying Bug-types, there is no Bug/Flying type that can learn fly, while two bug types (Genesect and Volcarona) can learn fly while not being a flying-type.

Golurk learning fly isn't that bad, though, because it is an automaton, and those can be given whatever cool things the maker wanted (Golurk flies by pulling in its arms and legs, and using the new holes as jets).
 
pika pal:


Of course that does sort of put a wrench in Gen II's plot point of Neo Team Rocket trying to get Giovanni back.



Blue was still doing it for selfish reasons, but at least in the games he assumingly battled through batches of Rocket Grunts. Origins actually made it a bit worse as they just saved a Silph Co. worker who was begging them for help. Though I do wonder if he did battle Giovanni or not in Silph Co., it sort of sounded like he did yet if he did why was Team Rocket still in Silph Co.? Would Blue agree to a deal with Giovanni that if he leaves Silph Co. then Giovanni will battle him in the Viridian Gym for the badge. Speaking of which, Blue won the Badge so he had to defeat Giovanni, so why is it when Red defeats Giovanni he acts like its a humiliating defeat? I suppose Origins having Giovanni use a special Pokemon was sort of meant to address that, but that doesn't answer it for the games. Though I suppose he could have unleashed his full power on Red while against Blue he didn't really care as he was more preparing for Red's arrival. *shrugs*
The Neo Team Rocket plot could just be changed to be more along the lines of "Giovanni, Team Rocket is still a great organization. You were wrong to give up on it" rather than the game's more "We've recovered from the crushing defeat and know you still want to lead us." Change the plot point to be more about convincing him to come back despite the mindset change rather than because Team Rocket just exists again.

I always assumed in the games Giovanni acted like that because you'd beaten him at every turn in his plans. Origins did expand on his mindset a bit, but they also needed to change things since Red was clearly out matched at the only evident battle they had before at Silph Co.
 
I'm gonna be honest, while I liked the addition of Post-game story in the Delta Episode, I think Zinnia was horribly handled/written.

First of all, her initial plan to make Rayquaza appear is to allow an Eco-Terrorist organization to reawaken a Primal Force than could (and to an extent did) warp the entire climate of the region. How is she able to guarantee the Weather Titan's effect on the region could be handled, even assuming Rayquaza was able to stop their Primal forms (as we saw, it couldn't Mega which was evidently important last time it had to deal with their Primal Powers).

Then, she handles the situation fucking horribly with Steven and the Space Center. Within universe, despite our theories, what proof do the characters have to support the multiverse concept? She not only rejects, but outright destroys their then-only option to stop the meteor for the sake of people she can't prove exist. Even then, why does she have to eliminate the Infinite Energy strategy before confirming Rayquaza could stop it? Hell, it flat out would have failed despite everything she did if you didn't happen to be carrying the Meteorite around with you. Why not present some evidence of why this strategy might work? Steven clearly trusts Wallace, who has history with the Sky Pillar, and seems interested in the Legends regardless. I feel like she might've been able to convince him to try this if she'd outright explained something instead of mocking Steven when the only thing they can prove she did is sabotage their current plan. And even ignoring that, she assaults 2 people (and I still wonder if she didn't consider trying to mug Wally) for their Keystones. Why did she need more than one to Mega evolve Rayquaza even?

And then there's another thing I wonder about: She had to know about the Meteor much sooner than the scientists detected it, considering she had infiltrated the group to see they awoke the Primal Pokemon and she could summon Rayquaza. Why did she not try telling the scientists or someone about this beforehand? Maybe with time to handle the matter they could've just constructed a missile or something instead of using the teleporter? It almost seems like seeing Rayquaza was the only thing that crossed her mind, nevermind the existence of how many other people that could probably help solve the problem? She mocks Steven as the "former" Champion throughout the Delta Episode, but you've had the position for... what, a week? She's had no interaction with you to make it seem she'd trust your strength specifically (and I don't excuse it as observing you fighting against Team Magma/Aqua because she doesn't show up anywhere even in mention), so it seems she values your help more for one of the following reasons
- The Champion title alone: Why then didn't she ask Steven while he was Champion for help?
- The 2 minutes of interaction at Dewford: Why would I help her when the only other thing apparent is that she mugged my friend for her Keystone?
- Since you're a kid: She think I'll be swayed easier than the adults like Steven or the Scientists to help her? I'd feel insulted for thinking I'm so easily persuaded by someone I know next to nothing about
 
pika pal:
Those are almost all my exact points! I linked to the post where I gave my opinion on Zinnia, though I'll comment on the points you did that I didn't:

All Those Keystone: Yeah, why did Zinnia senselessly steal the Key Stones, one which lead to our neighbor rival being beaten up (which I don't think Zinnia EVER apologizes for. Yeah she gave the Key Stone back but that's after the events, during the story I wanted to kick her butt. And let's not forget that on Sky Pillar she knocks your out for no reason, like we weren't going to wait or the thing that'll save the world which she forced us into doing? And yet she's surprised she's unworthy to Mega Evolve Rayquaza). I guess she was having problem getting Rayquaza to appear to thought gathering a lot of Key Stones in one spot would attract it which I guess it did... but still it would have done nothing if the player wasn't there.
Thinking about it Rayquaza is also a bit of a jerk, it lost the power to Mega Evolve so instead of maybe summoning/appearing to someone to help it reclaim its power it instead doesn't appear (which led Zinnia on her Key Stone hunt). And why did it decide to appear after Zinnia got all the Key Stones? Did it too think maybe the energy from all the Key Stones would make it Mega Evolve?
Wally thankfully ignored a beating by leaving his Key Stone in his room when he's staying at home so Zinnia stole it when he was out of his room. But she probably would have pushed him down to take his Key Stone had he had it on him, meaning she would be perfectly fine beating up a kid with a health condition. Our "protagonist", ladies and gentlemen!
Could Have Told Someone: As you pointed out, at ANY time she could have gone to Wallace. That's all she needed to do so that everyone start following her plan. Now admittedly the science community might not have believed a meteor was heading toward them since I think they would have detected a 4 mile meteor heading toward the planet WAY before it was at risk of hitting the planet so this had to be a sudden thing (and since it had Deoxys in it I woudln't be surprised if by some capacity it was controlling the meteor's movements). But still Wally, who knew about the myth, would have believed her and maybe at least started some initial planning since he's, you know, a Gym Leader so had some sway (as well as being best friends with Steven, the Champion). She then wouldn't have need to tell Team Aqua/Magma about the Orb and almost cause the end of the world AND the scientists would have saved the Link Cable as a Plan B.
Because You're The Player: Yeah, its very odd Zinnia is super friendly with you upon first meeting you. I guess she maybe gained respect for you after you stopped the Legendaries, but considering her plan wouldn't she be mad you stopped her (unless she realized her plan wasn't working)? Like maybe I could see her being kind to you after defeating her in a Pokemon Battle, proving you're stronger than her so she decided to befriend you (which would be just another way she's trying to manipulate things), but when you first meet her technically she's on the run for just stealing your neighbor rival's Key Stone (and beating them up) and yet she just strolls up to you and talks for a bit. You egotistical B****! Anyway, her being kind to you is just because you're the player, no other reason explain it. She shows no respect for ANYONE else, not even the (former) Champion who honestly has more sway then the player does. I can only think maybe she knows you can't defeat you, something she confirmed in Granite Cave, so decides to manipulate you by acting as a friend. If you lost she'd probably would have also stole your Key Stone, but she couldn't so she had to come up with another plan to get you where she wants you to go.

And then we're suppose to feel bad for her because she lost someone close to her. Look, I'll feel bad for Aster since whoever she was she did do something that cost her life, but I won't feel bad for Zinnia since she went WAY out of line to get what she wanted done and caused pain in others doing so.

A lot of Gen 5 Pokemon got super-screwed on movepools, like it was penance for unlimited TMs or something.

Another one of my favorites: Emboar is said to light its fist on fire when fighting. Emboar cannot learn Fire Punch unless from a Move Tutor... what?
 
pika pal:
Those are almost all my exact points! I linked to the post where I gave my opinion on Zinnia, though I'll comment on the points you did that I didn't:

All Those Keystone: Yeah, why did Zinnia senselessly steal the Key Stones, one which lead to our neighbor rival being beaten up (which I don't think Zinnia EVER apologizes for. Yeah she gave the Key Stone back but that's after the events, during the story I wanted to kick her butt. And let's not forget that on Sky Pillar she knocks your out for no reason, like we weren't going to wait or the thing that'll save the world which she forced us into doing? And yet she's surprised she's unworthy to Mega Evolve Rayquaza). I guess she was having problem getting Rayquaza to appear to thought gathering a lot of Key Stones in one spot would attract it which I guess it did... but still it would have done nothing if the player wasn't there.
Thinking about it Rayquaza is also a bit of a jerk, it lost the power to Mega Evolve so instead of maybe summoning/appearing to someone to help it reclaim its power it instead doesn't appear (which led Zinnia on her Key Stone hunt). And why did it decide to appear after Zinnia got all the Key Stones? Did it too think maybe the energy from all the Key Stones would make it Mega Evolve?
Wally thankfully ignored a beating by leaving his Key Stone in his room when he's staying at home so Zinnia stole it when he was out of his room. But she probably would have pushed him down to take his Key Stone had he had it on him, meaning she would be perfectly fine beating up a kid with a health condition. Our "protagonist", ladies and gentlemen!
Could Have Told Someone: As you pointed out, at ANY time she could have gone to Wallace. That's all she needed to do so that everyone start following her plan. Now admittedly the science community might not have believed a meteor was heading toward them since I think they would have detected a 4 mile meteor heading toward the planet WAY before it was at risk of hitting the planet so this had to be a sudden thing (and since it had Deoxys in it I woudln't be surprised if by some capacity it was controlling the meteor's movements). But still Wally, who knew about the myth, would have believed her and maybe at least started some initial planning since he's, you know, a Gym Leader so had some sway (as well as being best friends with Steven, the Champion). She then wouldn't have need to tell Team Aqua/Magma about the Orb and almost cause the end of the world AND the scientists would have saved the Link Cable as a Plan B.
Because You're The Player: Yeah, its very odd Zinnia is super friendly with you upon first meeting you. I guess she maybe gained respect for you after you stopped the Legendaries, but considering her plan wouldn't she be mad you stopped her (unless she realized her plan wasn't working)? Like maybe I could see her being kind to you after defeating her in a Pokemon Battle, proving you're stronger than her so she decided to befriend you (which would be just another way she's trying to manipulate things), but when you first meet her technically she's on the run for just stealing your neighbor rival's Key Stone (and beating them up) and yet she just strolls up to you and talks for a bit. You egotistical B****! Anyway, her being kind to you is just because you're the player, no other reason explain it. She shows no respect for ANYONE else, not even the (former) Champion who honestly has more sway then the player does. I can only think maybe she knows you can't defeat you, something she confirmed in Granite Cave, so decides to manipulate you by acting as a friend. If you lost she'd probably would have also stole your Key Stone, but she couldn't so she had to come up with another plan to get you where she wants you to go.

And then we're suppose to feel bad for her because she lost someone close to her. Look, I'll feel bad for Aster since whoever she was she did do something that cost her life, but I won't feel bad for Zinnia since she went WAY out of line to get what she wanted done and caused pain in others doing so.



Another one of my favorites: Emboar is said to light its fist on fire when fighting. Emboar cannot learn Fire Punch unless from a Move Tutor... what?
The thing is, if Zinnia didn't know about the meteor, why would she set in motion a recreation of a natural disaster Rayquaza stopped before just to meet it? And I refuse to believe Zinnia, ancestral magic and lore or whatever or not, would know about this meteor before a scientific facility specifically dedicated to space. If she didn't know about the meteor before them, does that mean she just did all this to see Rayquaza for herself? I can't find a way to make this sound any better.

My thing about the Aster subplot is that it felt very... out of place. I feel like it might've been a bit more cohesive if, say, Aster's death was linked to Zinnia's role as lorekeeper and Rayquaza in some way (maybe Aster was a friend and the two of them studied together, always wanted to see Rayquaza, etc.). Maybe Aster's death was more recent, so Zinnia doesn't think her plans through out of grief rather than just being condescending. As it is, they don't go into it enough for me to care about it with regards to Zinnia's character, and frankly, it almost feels like a distraction "pay attention to this mysterious aspect of Zinnia's backstory, it somehow excuses all her terrible decisions." The melodrama and talk about Aster at the top of the Sky Pillar also just feels like far too dramatic a shift considering she's been basically mocking and acting like this is some kind of game up until now despite, you know, the fucking meteor!

Another thing that irks me is that the person Zinnia is the most condescending towards is the one NPC she probably would not be able to beat in a battle, which I say from both an actual mechanics standpoint and a story standpoint.

One other thing that confuses me: She has a Salamencite on her Salamence, even though she doesn't use it in your first battle. So if she already had a Keystone, what reason did she have to gather all these others? The Mega stone resonates with the Key Stone, but since Rayquaza calls the power in from itself or whatever, it seems LESS likely to need a key stone than any Mega would. It's like trying to start a car and thinking it'll work better if you bring 10 keys.

Her muggings also just don't make any sense. She knows you're the champion by the time she meets you: Even if she's only interested in you for your assistance, why would she think she'd win your trust by assaulting your best friend and neighbor, and then stealing (whilst prepared to assault) another sickly friend of yours for keystones? She'd at most need yours and hers, and your affiliation is probably more important to her if she wanted to talk them out of using the Link cable. What if your character had decided "You mugged my friends, you're mocking big people, you just destroyed our only defense against the meteor, and you expect me to follow you alone to the Sky Pillar. Yeah, no you crazy bitch," Pulled out a Pokeball, battled and beat her there, and had her arrested while putting a team of Alakazam and Steven's Metagross on the task of figuring out how to rebuild the cable or some kind of Inter-Regional Electrode Missile to just outright blow up the meteor without a legendary she hasn't proven will show up or can be controlled?
 
Another one of my favorites: Emboar is said to light its fist on fire when fighting. Emboar cannot learn Fire Punch unless from a Move Tutor... what?

Kind of similar to Drowzee:

Red/Blue Pokedex entry: Puts enemies to sleep and eats their dreams. Occasionally gets sick from eating bad dreams.
Red/Blue level-up moves: Pound, Hypnosis, Disable, Confusion, Headbutt, Poison Gas, Psychic, Meditate. NO DREAM EATER.
Even by generation six it still doesn't learn Dream Eater via level-up. In Ruby/Sapphire it can't learn it at all via any means.
 
I actually liked the concept of honey trees in DPPt. Everyone I knew whined about how stupid and tedious they were compared to headbutting trees, but I found them to be more involved and rewarding than "spam the A button on anything that looks like a tree for a Pokemon." The 6 hour wait never bothered me since I'd usually just place honey at night and check the trees in the morning before school, and it made getting certain Pokemon such as Munchlax (aka, the rarest non-event Pokemon in the entire franchise) more rewarding.

I kinda wish they would return, though I guess that won't happen until the possible D/P remakes.
 
1.) A lot anti-hentai people I come across. Some are always antagonizing the sexualization of Pokemon. I'll admit, some can be creepy, but people should be allowed to express their... affinities... if they want to. We shouldn't try to have any say in it. You want to draw Gardy with boobs, go for it. Nothing wrong with it.

2.) Gen 4 is admittedly my first generation, but I can't stand it when I hear all of these "it was too slow" stories. It never felt slow. There's a gap in the gyms, sure, but they filled it in Platinum. The snow routes? Yes, they are long, but not slow. They're a test of your progress. Like a pre-victory road. The Great Marsh sucked though.
Sinnoh: 7.8/10 Too Slow

3.) I never liked Moves like Calm Mind and Bulk Up. They only boost it by one stage, so you'd have to at least wait two turns until you're at 2 stages, where there is a more significant difference. Swords Dance or Rock Polish are more effective to me because they can boost you significantly in only one turn. I understand that some Pokemon don't get access to stuff like Swords Dance, so they only have moves like Calm Mind for options. But I just don't really like using these kinds of moves. Cosmic Power is an exception.

4.) Garbodor has a good design. It represents the concept of land pollution exceptionally well, and its ugliness reflects how pollution is making the land less pretty. He's got one of the best Poison type designs in my opinion because of this.

5.) Shut up about the Fire/Fighting thing. It's a good typing, with amazing STAB coverage. You are no longer open to Stealth Rocks, and you get access to some powerful moves. Complaining about a type being recurring is just about as stupid as complaining that all of the Grass type designs are only reptiles.

6.) Unova is too linear? True. But does it really matter? I don't care if it's linear, the gameplay is still good.
 
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5.) Shut up about the Fire/Fighting thing. It's a good typing, with amazing STAB coverage. You are no longer open to Stealth Rocks, and you get access to some powerful moves. Complaining about a type being recurring is just about as stupid as complaining that all of the Grass type designs are only reptiles.

I don't think the typing itself is what people have a problem with, it's the fact that every single fire-type starter from Gen III onwards always ended up being fire/fighting until Gen VI finally broke the tradition.

As for Gen IV, even though they're not my favorite games in the series, I feel like Sinnoh doesn't get credit where it's due. If it wasn't for D/P, we'd still be using the outdated physical/special move classification being by type, and we'd still be trading/battling exclusively to those around us irl.

Diamond and Pearl had a lot of speed issues though, not so much in progression as much as the gameplay itself. Battles were notably slow to load and play out, and if we had that surfing speed in R/S/E, our characters would've died from scurvy before we ever made it to Mossdeep. Thankfully a lot of those issues were addressed in Platinum.
 
1.) A lot anti-hentai people I come across. Some are always antagonizing the sexualization of Pokemon. I'll admit, some can be creepy, but people should be allowed to express their... affinities... if they want to. We shouldn't try to have any say in it. You want to draw Gardy with boobs, go for it. Nothing wrong with it.

2.) Gen 4 is admittedly my first generation, but I can't stand it when I hear all of these "it was too slow" stories. It never felt slow. There's a gap in the gyms, sure, but they filled it in Platinum. The snow routes? Yes, they are long, but not slow. They're a test of your progress. Like a pre-victory road. The Great Marsh sucked though.
Sinnoh: 7.8/10 Too Slow

3.) I never liked Moves like Calm Mind and Bulk Up. They only boost it by one stage, so you'd have to at least wait two turns until you're at 2 stages, where there is a more significant difference. Swords Dance or Rock Polish are more effective to me because they can boost you significantly in only one turn. I understand that some Pokemon don't get access to stuff like Swords Dance, so they only have moves like Calm Mind for options. But I just don't really like using these kinds of moves. Cosmic Power is an exception.

4.) Garbodor has a good design. It represents the concept of land pollution exceptionally well, and its ugliness reflects how pollution is making the land less pretty. He's got one of the best Poison type designs in my opinion because of this.

5.) Shut up about the Fire/Fighting thing. It's a good typing, with amazing STAB coverage. You are no longer open to Stealth Rocks, and you get access to some powerful moves. Complaining about a type being recurring is just about as stupid as complaining that all of the Grass type designs are only reptiles.

6.) Unova is too linear? True. But does it really matter? I don't care if it's linear, the gameplay is still good.
1 Nothing wrong with a fixation on a character from fiction...but they went freaky veeeeeery fast. And this is coming from a xenofiction enthusiast.

2 It's the combination of all factor, hm dependency, annoying routes horrible distribution, and let's be honest don't bring the third game in question when dealing with a generation the 2 first always determine the perception of the masses, platinum was the Opera prima of gen 4, but Sinnoh still gets on the nerves of almost any player DP being horrible replayability wise doesn't help.

3 I loved cm and bulk up, they allowed some pokemon to fulfill more roles in my opinion.

4 Yep Gardobor is genius, great design in my opinion I never thought I would love using a broken trash bags with googly eyes but it feels like a must to me whenever I replay black or black 2

5 Well as someone who replays a lot fire fighting gets boring to be honest, at least mainstory wise.

6 No complaints, unova feels so good to replay, Dex diversity fun routes that don't tire you quite a good region.

I agree on most parts, but Sinnoh does deserve it's hate if we talk about how DP showed itself.
 
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