Even if you want to run a set-up/utility option in that last slot, Agility (hell, even Hone Claws) would be better. I think that Mega Metagross CAN run Stealth Rock...but it really never should.Does Mega Metagross ever actually run Stealth Rock? I'd rather use something else as my Rocker and not gimp Mega Meta's coverage.
The optimized spread for that set is 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe Adadmant to outspeed Min Speed Chansey. Rock Head over Lightningrod, too, because Flare Blitz gets the OHKO on Chansey and Fire Punch does not come close.Alolan Marowak should also be listed as a stallbreaker, as stall's common mons (Mega Sab, Skarm, Toxapex, Chansey, Unaware Clef, Zapdos) either can't touch it, can't switch in safely, or both. Even more important are that Duggy can't trap it (being a ghost type) and it doesn't have to waste a moveslot to cover Shedinja, unlike Manaphy* or Tapu Bulu*.
It is already listed as a wallbreaker, but its adeptness at punishing common stall builds, as discussed above, should be emphasized.
Wak is more splashable than many of the other stallbreakers and fits into bulky offense (the dominant playstyle atm) fairly well while not being deadweight against balance/offense the way other dedicated stallbreakers tend to be. It gets rocks up versus stall too.
As far as sets go:
Marowak @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Swords Dance
-Fire Punch
-Shadow Bone
-Earthquake
The EVs clearly aren't optimized but it's meant to have decent bulk and hit hard. Fire Punch>Blitz since it hits like a truck at +2 and makes Lightningrod available so it can check electrics. Other coverage is standard. SD could be replaced with rocks or wisp if needed for the team, but Wak will be a less potent (yet still capable) breaker.
*Manaphy's HP Fire/Shadow Ball and Bulu's Stone Edge aren't wasted coverage against balance/offence, but against stall teams, they only hit Shed for SE damage and are otherwise hugely outclassed by other coverage options.
The analysis lists 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe Adamant as standard, so that could work as well. If wak's role on the team is simply wall/stallbreaking then your spread is best; however, the versatility of a faster spread with Lightningrod enables wak to fit onto more teams even though it's less powerful. Personally I like the extra speed since it outruns most Mega Scizors and whatever else runs less than 189 speed, such as Skarmory and Celesteela. It beats them all 1v1 but if any can outspeed then they can KO a weakened wak. I do like being able to spam Flare Blitz so that's always an option.The optimized spread for that set is 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe Adadmant to outspeed Min Speed Chansey. Rock Head over Lightningrod, too, because Flare Blitz gets the OHKO on Chansey and Fire Punch does not come close.
That spread isn't good or optimal. Max Def/SpD is better due to the higher net gain in bulk courtesy of how disgustingly high Chansey's HP stat is making investing in it really pointless. Can people *please* stop pushing for max HP/close to max HP Chansey? It is not good in the same way that max HP A-Ninetales isn't good and slow A-Marowak spreads aren't good.I think we're using 2 different Chansey spreads here. I know 4/252/252 is the standard, but it's not optimal. See this for details. I should definitely try the max speed set on Wak myself.
I think we're using 2 different Chansey spreads here. I know 4/252/252 is the standard, but it's not optimal. See this for details. I should definitely try the max speed set on Wak myself.
I don't play stall, so I can't say which set is "better". But reading through the analysis-thread discussion... it appears that 244HP / 252 Def / 12 Sp. Def is not for "efficiency", but for hitting a specific number of surprise Psyshock and Pursuit magic-numbers.That spread isn't good or optimal. Max Def/SpD is better due to the higher net gain in bulk courtesy of how disgustingly high Chansey's HP stat is making investing in it really pointless. Can people *please* stop pushing for max HP/close to max HP Chansey? It is not good in the same way that max HP A-Ninetales isn't good and slow A-Marowak spreads aren't good.
The spread was only made because the dude running the thread wasn't listening to what anyone else was saying. I talked to the dude who made that spread on Discord after he posted it and he said that he thought the spread was arse and that he was only doing it to appease him (different words but I can't remember exactly what he said, just that the general gist was that the max SpD spread was better). The CB Tar 2HKO is circumvented by Softboiled combined with the fact that Pursuit can't hit boosted twice in a row, whereas Chansey isn't a very good Specs Latios answer anyway due to Trick (not to mention most run Psychic>Psyshock). The other thing is that the damage ranges overlap (see: 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 292-345 (41.5 - 49.1%) / 252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 292-345 (45.4 - 53.7%)), which means that the difference is negligible to the point that the benefits are not sizable to warrant the drop in stat efficiency the vast majority of the time.I don't play stall, so I can't say which set is "better". But reading through the analysis-thread discussion... it appears that 244HP / 252 Def / 12 Sp. Def is not for "efficiency", but for hitting a specific number of surprise Psyshock and Pursuit magic-numbers.
There are basically two ways to kill Chansey:
* Physically (aka: Psyshock or Pursuit, since Chansey isn't switching into physical attackers)
* Specially (Requires Tail Glow Xurxitree and a Z-move or something else that can go to +3 quickly)
244HP actually does turn a number of Psyshocks and Pursuits (CB Tyranitar, Specs Latios) from 2HKOs into 3HKOs... with varying numbers of Stealth Rocks support. That seems useful for sure. However, 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def is standard for a reason. Its a solid walling / blob set and gets its job done... especially on the "standard stall" team.
Why is Terrakion in both <=100 and in >100? Is because it runs adamant too?approved by celtic and ofc credit to ctc for coming up with this back in xy
Choice Scarf:(<=100 Spe)(>100 Spe)
I suppose it's referring to Z-Sunny Day and Z-Hail, which are two pretty niche setsI Guess it is an error, but heatran and kyub are listed in other set Up, With z-moves, i never heard of This sets