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Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

The following teams have been added to samples:
:deoxys-speed::gengar-mega::kartana::mewtwo-mega-x::chansey::slaking:
Smurf HO by Rain
Recover > Milk Drink and Whirlwind > Metal Burst on Chansey. Sunsteel Strike > Parting Shot on Slaking. Life Orb > Choice Band on Mega Mewtwo X)

:deoxys-speed::rayquaza-mega::mewtwo-mega-y::arceus::kartana::hoopa-unbound:
Triage Mega Rayquaza Offense by Child of Night

:ho-oh::audino-mega::mamoswine::chansey::chansey::blissey:
Mamoswine Stall by Yourself

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The following teams have been moved to legacy:
:pikachu::greninja-ash::mewtwo-mega-x::steelix-mega::mewtwo-mega-x::audino-mega:
Ash Ketchum Offense by Ransei

:diancie-mega::scizor-mega::chansey::meloetta::doublade::mewtwo-mega-x:
Diamancie Revamped by Eyeos
 
VR Stuff since other ppl are saying stuff about it:

Banette-Mega: B- - C
I haven’t used this mon much tbf, but it needs to hold cb, which makes it walled by almost everything. It is also rly slow and koed by almost every decent moongeist user (which would be faster and sneak is not gonna ko them alot of the time). What does it do? Stab sneak + theif? It doesn’t matter with theif coz it doesn’t have enough bulk or speed to outspeed/live a hit: this mon is rly bad and always feels like it drags the team down imo

Ive got more stuff but ill add it in l8r coz i need to sleep
 
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2544980070-33sxuwoewvsx2843v4w6tqfecv8edhbpw
this is a great example of the team working :)

random incoherent bullshit so this isnt a oneliner:
:sv/giratina-origin:
Giratina-Origin @ Leppa Berry / Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Sunsteel Strike
- Clangorous Soulblaze / Let's Snuggle Forever
- Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom

its like marowak-a if he wasnt rocks weak and insta lose to item removal and actually can break physical walls because of mixed

improof with strength sap wg normal that doesnt explode to sunsteel (slaking arc etc)
 
PH Moderators delete onelines challenge (please Ransei Eyeos NToTheN TheCreatorOfBullsht this isn't allowed and is clogging the thread)

Since I want to avoid annoying myself, let's analyze exactly why hello1433's team will never be a sample. Hint: It's not because it's mbee offense, it's because it's bad. I will also dump some random teams again because why not?

First off, the bee itself. U-Turn is cool into offense because you OHKO mmy and do like 50-60 to mmx so you can effectively revenge kill them plus play rough always OHKOs mmx, forcing it out and pressing u-turn so you can keep momentum. I mean, you're huge power adamant, obviously you can guarantee to force out pokemon you have super effective coverage for.

252+ Atk Huge Power Beedrill-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 378-446 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Never mind, every time you go to kill MMX you are gambling on a less than 40% chance after accuracy to actually kill it. It's not like you have hazards either so this will always be the roll unless you get previous chip which isn't exactly the easiest thing to get on mmx with this squad (more later).

So your speed control can't really kill mmx. Well, your wonder guard can swap into it to score some chip with u-turn, putting it into range. Because of course you picked a WG who can improof bee like kyogre or ferrothorn or maybe even scizor who would die to the good set pressing light that burns the sky after rocks score crucial damage and let bee revenge.

Never mind, your wonder guard is maud so you take 70 percent minimum just from photon and LTBTS cleanly OHKOS. Also, you don't improof beedrill. Also you're the most passive set of all time apparently. All of these sample submissions have a basically do nothing mon, is this obligatory on low ladder offense? Give up all your pressure for fun?

Well, at the very least if maud doesn't improof bee, you can just sack innards to it to improof, that's fine on HO. I'm saying this because of course you used innards blissey or even chansey because those are the good sets.

I'm skipping gengar for the narrative shut up

Ok so our max defenses innards lunala can't take out imposter. It's also photon ghiest fairy which is close to sunsteel ghiest fairy except instead of killing meloetta and muk and blobs and houndoom (tbf +2 mmm probably dunks on this) you actually get walled by them instead. Imp of this also totally just either forces a 1f1 with this or kills it and then forces a trade with regigigas or gengar's sash because it still. isn't. improofed. by. your. wonder guard pokemon.

Speaking about that gengar, we have modest sword mgb spore smash gengar like this is 2023 again. Finally it's actually improofed by maud but another special guy who loses to melo/muk :trode: :zonger: :row: truly a moment of all time. It's nice for the spam matchup I guess but this is doing nothing ever into stall or literally any team with big priority that just hits you as you set up. scarf pbond mmx victim too Very dated set but it's fine I guess, it does successfully cope a couple of mus. Melo walling two mons is probably fine considering how its bee fodder. That's really not that much of the team anyways.

Ok so it walls the regigigas too and this might be the worst set I've ever seen. WG espeed multiattack spectral? Arceus did not conceive of this set when making USUM PH. Speaking of arceus, just use arceus. Also why are you hasty? Giving up free damage to sunsteel users.

Finally, speaking about sunsteel users we have the first good, relevant set on the entire team in pdon except it's lonely. Just use naughty
:blobsad:

Genuinely good set except it literally isnt improofed so you just sack about two thirds of regigigas's health assuming it doesn't smash a second time and then thief. Alternatively, you sack gengar down to sash and then spore. Is it really that hard to just use heatran or something? Hell, kyogre would be better than maud here if it weren't for the gengar because it's fat fuck specially so freeze dry doesnt do half and then scald does one trillion percent or something.


Overall, this team has three pokemon improofed by hopes and dreams, two pokemon hardproofed, and one pokemon who does nothing anyways but imp gets free healing. You also have 3 pokemon who simply aren't optimized, 3 pokemon who can't hit meloetta, the entire team is semi-walled by kyogre if you don't get lucky on sleep turns or high-roll on Z, muk is horrible for you, nothing on your team outspeeds MMX... There's just so many weaknesses that I genuinely cannot imagine a real team losing to this, especially not a real team with melo. It's fun to dunk on zenith mode or samples if they're bad but this loses hard enough to every real playstyle that it's probably easier to make a good bee team by deleting everything and starting over.

my solution would probably be mmx-> maud, taunt tspikes gar -> mg gar, arceus -> regigigas, innards blissey-> lunala, lonely -> naughty.

random teams as promised

https://pokepast.es/90fd3cde0fa5d032 so it looks like dark psychic ghost spam but actually that's a normal!! yeah its aerobee slop but with certified clicker mmx
https://pokepast.es/419c642c197f7425 steam eruption? are you insane? yes??? my opponents will go insane after trying to use wg ho-oh or heatran or houndoom to check this because they saw protean and thought sunsteel ghiest fairy +2 252 SpA Protean Mewtwo-Mega-Y Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 516-608 (124.3 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO boom that's a free kill and now the stall user is more like a stall loser haha gottem. Also big tyranitar is good and i fucking love leppa berry

That's all for today but please delete one liners it makes it unfair to people who have to actually make teams to ask mods to delete them or else they're also making one liners, fortunately the sample submissions are bad enough to sustain asking for deletes for a while

the mmx is honey gather lol change that
honey gather mmx is the new meta (1st paste)
to make this not a one liner let me post random sets that lose to half the wgs but are cool

:sm/greninja-ash:
Greninja-Ash (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Pursuit
- Shell Smash
- Let's Snuggle Forever / Mind Blown
- Moongeist Beam

:sm/blacephalon:
Blacephalon @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Mind Blown
- V-create
- Moongeist Beam

:sm/kyogre-primal:
Kyogre-Primal @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shell Smash
- Malicious Moonsault
- Steam Eruption
- Searing Sunraze Smash

who is this guy bro
 
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As a player that isn’t really that good, I’d still like to share my own viability rankings based on my own success and what I’ve seen from others
Keep in mind that. This is unfinished

S tier

Blissey: innards out, imposter
Chansey: imposter, innards out
Mega Mewtwo x: huge power
Mega Mewtwo y: dazzling, psychic surge, protean

S-

Aerodactyl: no guard
Kartana: wonder guard, magic guard, huge power, prankster
Mega gengar: parental bond, no guard
Pheramosa: huge power, no guard

A

Mega audino: wonder guard
Mega rayquaza: triage, mold breaker
Primal groudon: mold breaker, huge power
Primal Kyogre: wonder guard
Slaking: huge power, harvest

A-

Deoxys attack: magic guard
Deoxys speed: no guard
Kyurem white: magic bounce
Yveltal: mold breaker, wonder guard, magic guard
Zygarde complete: prankster
 
Aight for the viability shts whatever here're my thoughts lol:

:kartana: From S- to A+
Explanations: Basically Kartana isn't that broken to stand w/ Mewtwos (Yes I'm serious) as it's just a cutting paper until it dies, Shell Smash Spore and Sashes/Memories/Plates like it's natural - However, I'm not saying it's bad but it's just not too good to stand out to be an S- mon
(Also where Prankster Kartana I'm pretty sure that's viable? No?)

:yveltal: From B+ to A-
Buff the bird:
Yveltal has been good as being a menace in using Taunt and being a physical sweeper. Its Atk is proved w/ MBreaker and Harvest but still have bulky sets like P.Heal, Prankster and M.Bounce (Seriously this bird is annoying if you can't figure out its set)

:gyarados: @ Gyaradosite From D to C (at least)
please this guy's real good with illusion ptrip sweep ya cannot say "i'm not surprised"

:solgaleo: From B- to E
Who is this guy really, MBeams are everywhere and this stupid lion is still in Bs? Ofc I could see the vision on Sturdy but what- No Guard and Prankster? (Please tell me this is not from low ladder plays >:V)

:necrozma-dawn-wings: From B- to C+
Necrozma-Fraud-Wings trust



And yeah that's pretty it for my bullshit complain on the Viability Rankings. Honestly, this is still fine but there're too much Mons standing in middle B so ig C+ and A- should be considered for some of them lol :P
 
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As a player that isn’t really that good, I’d still like to share my own viability rankings based on my own success and what I’ve seen from others
Keep in mind that. This is unfinished

S tier

Blissey: innards out, imposter
Chansey: imposter, innards out
Mega Mewtwo x: huge power
Mega Mewtwo y: dazzling, psychic surge, protean

S-

Aerodactyl: no guard
Kartana: wonder guard, magic guard, huge power, prankster
Mega gengar: parental bond, no guard
Pheramosa: huge power, no guard

A

Mega audino: wonder guard
Mega rayquaza: triage, mold breaker
Primal groudon: mold breaker, huge power
Primal Kyogre: wonder guard
Slaking: huge power, harvest

A-

Deoxys attack: magic guard
Deoxys speed: no guard
Kyurem white: magic bounce
Yveltal: mold breaker, wonder guard, magic guard
Zygarde complete prankster
putting pheromosa and aerodactyl at s- is an opinion right, a very bad one definitely

aerodactyl and phero are very very overranked as aero is just a ng that is fake speed resist and webs immune and fissure immune, however in practice this often does not matter. it should be a- at the very least. pheromosa is actually an underrated mon but putting it at s- is very wrong, should be a at the least.

mega gengar can also be harvest but i still dont think its that good a+ would prob be fine

i say deo a should be moved up to s- personally or a+ because it is a very good mixed guy and can also be hp or stag

phero can also be stag.
kart can also be ng
mmy can be like hp mg harvest literally anything
zygc can be bounce



youre missing a lot of abilities on a lot of mons but ik this is wip so whatever
 
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Aight for the viability shts whatever here're my thoughts lol:

:kartana: From S- to A+
Explanations: Basically Kartana isn't that broken to stand w/ Mewtwos (Yes I'm serious) as it's just a cutting paper until it dies, Shell Smash Spore and Sashes/Memories/Plates like it's natural - However, I'm not saying it's bad but it's just not too good to stand out to be an S- mon
(Also where Prankster Kartana I'm pretty sure that's viable? No?)

:yveltal: From B+ to A-
Buff the bird:
Yveltal has been good as being a menace in using Taunt and being a physical sweeper. Its Atk is proved w/ MBreaker and Harvest but still have bulky sets like P.Heal, Prankster and M.Bounce (Seriously this bird is annoying if you can't figure out its set)

:gyarados: @ Gyaradosite From D to C (at least)
please this guy's real good with illusion ptrip sweep ya cannot say "i'm not surprised"

:solgaleo: From B- to E
Who is this guy really, MBeams are everywhere and this stupid lion is still in Bs? Ofc I could see the vision on Sturdy but what- No Guard and Prankster? (Please tell me this is not from low ladder plays >:V)

:necrozma-dawn-wings: From B- to C+
Necrozma-Fraud-Wings trust



And yeah that's pretty it for my bullshit complain on the Viability Rankings. Honestly, this is still fine but there're too much Mons standing in middle B so ig C+ and A- should be considered for some of them lol :P
saying kartana isnt broken has to be a record since this thing quite literally ohkoes everything at +2 hp sss except for magneton and heatran

prankster kartana is actually a mid set im too lazy to explain right now

i like yvel too im biased so skipping that but it should prob stay b since its attacking power actually cant pick up the kos it needs

gyarafoses power is kinda lackluster while illusion is good gyarados really cant do much to good teams. once in a while itll get a surprise ko but you should honestly expect illusion when you see gyarados on preview and play safer

calling solg out is crazy and while its not the best it does do some stuff. no guard used to be a somewhat popular set, iirc electra said it was their favorite ng, and it just uses solg z to get sss. i would imagine prankster to be as a photon and sunsteel resist mon and prank steels are amazing generally. the council did forget fc im ngl which is a good set and can wall quite a few mmxs without moongeist or fire coverage which is common. moongeist is a bad argument since a lot of mons are weak to moongeist and are still good..like mega bro for example. by that logic, mbro should not be ranked. if you are staying into a mgar with solg thats honestly your problem. with that im actually nominating Fur Coat for solgaleo on vr.

yeah dawn wings is actually kinda fraud and it dies to lost photons and sunsteels and obviously moongeists with a crappy speed tier
 
vr noms (i think i did these already i forgot but who cares)

:sm/piloswine:
add to vr, same tier as mamo:
mamo is ranked, piloswine loses hardly any bulk and gains the ability to slow pivot/set rocks after deffogers so Yeah.

:sm/zeraora:

add to vr, idk where:
fast ng who beats scarf pbond gar on lead and gets zap cannon stab so Yeah.

:sm/registeel:
add to vr, possibly in b tier:
all mlix does over other sunsteel walls is is wall sss kart without coverage and absorb mmx ltbts. registeel does the former, it can't really do the latter but this is made up for by it being a great special wall (and one of the few protean mmy walls) making it a good choice on stall so Yeah.

:sm/zygarde-complete:
move down to a-:
i already talked about this in the other vr noms post i just remembered i made and other people in the thread will have talked about this so i'm not going to explain. most people agree on this or want it even in b+ so Yeah.

:sm/zygarde-complete:
add parental bond as an ability:

:sm/groudon-primal:
add magic guard as an ability:
why is this guy not listed +2 mind boom kills everyone and it dodges hazards + poison chip and it goobs innards and popular innards stall and it's pretty difficult to wall. Yeah.

:sm/groudon-primal:
add parental bond as an ability:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2550360723
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2549592964?p2
this guy has won way more idk where the replays are so you gotta trust. anyways it's good bc it goobs kart with vacwave which is important on that team bc i have subpass ferro, obviously it's a pdon so it sets up easily, and after you set up vs offense and ho it kinda just wins usually granted there's no innards.

:sm/metagross-mega:
remove magnet pull: Yeah.
why did ransei say he only wanted the best abilities so he didn't include mg mgar yet here we are with magnet pull mmeta LOL. not only is it from a meme team ransei made before the ladder even existed iirc, it's also completely outclassed by stag or atrap. big wilted rose emoji tbh.

:sm/yveltal:
keep it where it is:
why don't people like yvel? yes its power output is lacking as an offensive mon, but since when was yvel an offensive mon? yvel has cool traits that can make it good defensively with bounce, mg, wg, prank, ect so i think its current placement is just fine.

:sm/mewtwo-mega-x:
move to a+ or a:
i won't go to in depth on this, it's already been done on this thread, but tldr it's just not that guy anymore and many people agree. yeah it breaks fat but so do many other guys, and those other guys provide other cool traits. i think mmx needs fimp to keep up with the other top mons, and even then fimp is exploitable by both defensive teams with a fimp weak wall or by offensive teams which can rkill it easier. other priority has hella power issues, and 130 speed isn't great without other traits making up for it. mmx hate is defo overblown but it's not an s- mon like the vr says.

:sm/kartana: :sm/mewtwo-mega-y:
move to a+:
maybe im bias stupid stall player, but these guys just don't feel s- to me. blobs are on almost every team for every archetype, provide insane vaule, lowk carry stall, and are very influencing on the meta. imo the guys in s- feel much closer to slak and mgar in a+ than the insane description i just gave of the blobs, so im nomming them to a+.

:sm/muk-alola: :sm/ferrothorn:
add prankster:
i've tried subpass sets on both, with muk running kiss and ferro running spore, and i honestly really like them. sleep subpass just farms free switches from many mons, and if you get lucky you can even have sub which can end up being especially game changing. both mons still function solid defensively too, having ways to deal with slak or scarf mgar are really helpful on offense, and they can even improof your own mons. spore being spore may mean ferro have issues with kart, but i didn't really have an issue when using it bc i paired it with evoboost vwave pbond pdon. if you don't want to go to those measures, sthief > heal is a decent work around. as for muk, having kiss is no where near as bad as it may sound rng wise. yes it is a 49.50% chance iirc of succeeding (getting a 2 turn sleep or more), it doesn't really matter as long as you don't miss bc if they wake up first turn you just try again, and depending on who's infront of you a miss may not efen be that terrible. call me lucky but this mon also felt completely fine to use and i won a lot with it. if that's not enough of a reason to list prank, both mons are also alright with prankhaze sets, ask Child of Night about ferro.


i just wanted to mention big placement issues and talk about unranked stuff in this post. i could point out many many more issues with this vr, but eh that wouldn't be much fun. ty for reading.

Yeah.
 
:sm/yveltal:
keep it where it is:
why don't people like yvel? yes its power output is lacking as an offensive mon, but since when was yvel an offensive mon? yvel has cool traits that can make it good defensively with bounce, mg, wg, prank, ect so i think its current placement is just fine.

:sm/mewtwo-mega-x:
move to a+ or a:
i won't go to in depth on this, it's already been done on this thread, but tldr it's just not that guy anymore and many people agree. yeah it breaks fat but so do many other guys, and those other guys provide other cool traits. i think mmx needs fimp to keep up with the other top mons, and even then fimp is exploitable by both defensive teams with a fimp weak wall or by offensive teams which can rkill it easier. other priority has hella power issues, and 130 speed isn't great without other traits making up for it. mmx hate is defo overblown but it's not an s- mon like the vr says.

:sm/kartana: :sm/mewtwo-mega-y:
move to a+:
maybe im bias stupid stall player, but these guys just don't feel s- to me. blobs are on almost every team for every archetype, provide insane vaule, lowk carry stall, and are very influencing on the meta. imo the guys in s- feel much closer to slak and mgar in a+ than the insane description i just gave of the blobs, so im nomming them to a+.
Oh for god's sake:

1. :yveltal: Wait since when did sb here say "I don't like Yveltal"? I do agree that its offensive side is not that good but still considerable so just keep in mind that Yveltal is somewhat good to use :V

2. :mewtwo-mega-x: Tbh who even agrees 'bout MMX is not that good anymore and push that down? F.Imp isn't the only thing that it keeps its speed pace and saying "other top mons" is crazy lol. Just saying that MMX has a lot of moveset so walls aren't 100% if they can do its job bruh, and give me a better evidence why MMX isn't S- please but not just being biased on a set you see :v

3. :kartana: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I agree to aidan and that's it lol (yes ur a bias stupid stall player that doesn't know kart can be improofed/mguarded)

4. :mewtwo-mega-y:
Actually MMY is viable so that's why it's considered there lol, but saying blobs are too strong so push this Mon down is kinda crazy tho
 
Oh for god's sake:

1. :yveltal: Wait since when did sb here say "I don't like Yveltal"? I do agree that its offensive side is not that good but still considerable so just keep in mind that Yveltal is somewhat good to use :V

2. :mewtwo-mega-x: Tbh who even agrees 'bout MMX is not that good anymore and push that down? F.Imp isn't the only thing that it keeps its speed pace and saying "other top mons" is crazy lol. Just saying that MMX has a lot of moveset so walls aren't 100% if they can do its job bruh, and give me a better evidence why MMX isn't S- please but not just being biased on a set you see :v

3. :kartana: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I agree to aidan and that's it lol (yes ur a bias stupid stall player that doesn't know kart can be improofed/mguarded)

4. :mewtwo-mega-y:Actually MMY is viable so that's why it's considered there lol, but saying blobs are too strong so push this Mon down is kinda crazy tho
you posted it twice...

mmx has fallen off because it's speed tier sucks, underspeeding mmy, speedtying mgar and losing to scarf gar, underspeeding deo a
ehh kart is good despite speed tier but he's stronk
mmy is def good and top tier but yeah he doesn't feel like s- tier stuff

here's a few teams so this doesnt get nuked
https://pokepast.es/0a0c2b775af5fd85
https://pokepast.es/463a8aee9cc30a66
https://pokepast.es/17762a5a83db1322
https://pokepast.es/c368e5f068f47989
 
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im struggling to read this and you ignored half my points but I’ll try
Oh for god's sake:

1. :yveltal: Wait since when did sb here say "I don't like Yveltal"? I do agree that its offensive side is not that good but still considerable so just keep in mind that Yveltal is somewhat good to use :V
splodge and hendrit say this
2. :mewtwo-mega-x: Tbh who even agrees 'bout MMX is not that good anymore and push that down? F.Imp isn't the only thing that it keeps its speed pace and saying "other top mons" is crazy lol. Just saying that MMX has a lot of moveset so walls aren't 100% if they can do its job bruh, and give me a better evidence why MMX isn't S- please but not just being biased on a set you see :v
everyone agrees mmx should be lower other than some ransei followers and room larpers. i said that prio other than fimp has power issues but you ignored that, and I also forgot to mention the other prio has a completely negative impact on breaking. i know that mmx is difficult to wall I also mentioned that, but there’s other guys are difficult to wall and provide other cool traits (e.g. kart spore immune or mmy’s speed). i don’t really know what other evidence you want, go read aninjadude’s post or something.
3. :kartana: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I agree to aidan and that's it lol (yes ur a bias stupid stall player that doesn't know kart can be improofed/mguarded)
i know that kart can run magic guard sets and improof with sash or fire memory? i still think it’s a+ tho.
4. :mewtwo-mega-y:Actually MMY is viable so that's why it's considered there lol, but saying blobs are too strong so push this Mon down is kinda crazy tho
“mmy is viable so it’s in s-“ well no fucking shit the guy they’re putting in s- is gonna be viable idk what you’re trying to say, and also you calling a point crazy doesn’t disprove it you actually need to explain why.
 
I can also vouch for MMX being mid as fuck, if you look in the thread, I've made an entire post about it. If you want actual "evidence" just read the damn thread and you'll see it. Yourself mentioned that in his response, but I want to also mention it. MMX might be hard to wall, but there are multiple other pokemon that have that exact same trait, while having other useful traits.
 
Pheromosa Appreciation Post

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Do you want to ascend to the higher level of Generation 7 Pure Hackmons? To be like me, myself, and I? To appear as a 1800 unemployed needs to touch grass asshole who crashes out after he loses to Minimize cheese after waiting for a 2 hour shitty ass wait queue elo, top-notch, metagame player? Well, I, savior of Hackmons, have the best way for you, a 1400 Wonder Guard Mega Audino :audino-mega: or No Guard Ninjask :ninjask: or even Prankster Kartana :kartana: user, to reach that goal.
It all starts with BIG Pheromosa.

If you've been noticing high-skilled players will run Pheromosa :pheromosa:. That's just it. Elites run it, you should too—just not Huge Power Choice Scarf Spectral Thief—you know who you are. In this post, I will go over the essential sets that Pheromosa can run.


Alright, so as a premise, Pheromosa :pheromosa: can be seen as a very flexible and versatile choice in the Teambuilder with a wide variety of sets. From Shadow Tag to Huge Power, this beast can even go mixed and abuse its Speed and high attacking stats.

I. Shadow Tag :gengar-mega:

Pheromosa @ Choice Scarf / Choice Band / Choice Specs / Leppa Berry / Life Orb / Expert Belt
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty / Naive Nature
- Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Pin Missile / U-Turn / Close Combat / Sunsteel Strike / Moongeist Beam / Photon Geyser / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Trick / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt

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She knows, ok? Shadow Tag is a popular set that Pheromosa is known for, but Shadow Tag Pheromosa and I had to go back to friends for a while. Shadow Tag is generically known for two things in USUM Pure Hackmons—Perish Trapping and CFZ Spamming. In a nutshell, Perish Trappers such as Primal Groudon :groudon-primal: run a set such as:

:groudon-primal: Groudon-Primal @ Grassium Z
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thousand Waves
- Aromatherapy
- Perish Song
- Strength Sap

They attempt to trap an unsuspecting Pokémon and click Perish Song, where it will try to spend 2 turns surviving and switch out at the end for a clean KO. Not the best strategy, but not the worst. Staying on topic, we have Shadow Tag Pheromosa, who does the ladder and attempts to trap an unsuspecting Pokémon and hit it with the right coverage. The set looks confusing, but trust me, you just run 3 CFZs and Trick and it'll be easy. Now, there is hope for this set as Shadow Tag seems to be in its "good" era. What I mean is that Shadow Tag often bounces between good and bad in this cycle: Shadow Tag usage is high, results in high Shed Shell usage -> Shadow Tag is bad, results in low Shed Shell usage, and so on and so forth. With the current state of the meta, I believe we are in the "Shadow Tag is good" era, due to lack of Shed Shell present because most team archetypes are offense and hyper offense, which both are hard to run Shed Shell on. This set can hit Mewtwo-Mega-Y :mewtwo-mega-y: with Pin Missile if you choose to run that, disable a Pokémon with Trick + Choice Scarf, or coverage fish and get a clean, unsuspecting KO.

In conclusion, Pheromosa can be an elite Shadow Tag user with a great speed that does not necessitate Choice Scarf, enabling it to be a strong, quick, dual-threat Pokémon that can run other items.

II. Mold Breaker :druddigon:

Pheromosa @ Focus Sash / Leppa Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker / Turboblaze / Teravolt
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty / Timid / Jolly / Naive Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 31 Atk
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes / Stealth Rock / Sticky Web
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes / Stealth Rock / Sticky Web
- U-Turn / Close Combat / Pin Missile / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Spore / Taunt / Encore / Disable
Mold Breaker Pheromosa (as well as its variants Turboblaze and Teravolt) serves as a Pokémon that forces hazards up and can nuke unprepared. Wonder Guards :shedinja: with a CFZ. I think this set is amazing. It really said "Let me love you" and I was like "There's nothing holdin' me back". This Pokémon can setup hazards without worrying about Magic Bounce and can nail a few bulky Pokémon with a strong CFZ. Taunt and can shut down attempted Defogs, Spore only gets blocked by Safety Goggles, and Knock Off knocks every item off unless a Pokémon has Sticky Hold or is Arceus holding a plate, Silvally holding a memory, or anything holding a Z-Crystal. This set is great on offensive teams that can run this over as a suicide lead over a lead No Guard :machamp:, where it gets the job done and breaks Focus Sashes with hazards or be a nuisance by putting key Pokémon on the opponents team asleep.

III. No Guard :pidgeot-mega:

Pheromosa @ Focus Sash
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 31 Atk
- Sheer Cold / Fissure
- Sing
- Stealth Rock / Spikes / Toxic Spikes / Taunt / Horn Drill / Guillotine / Gastro Acid / Entrainment / Baton Pass / U-Turn / Close Combat / Pin Missile / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Zap Cannon / Magma Storm / Stealth Rock / Spikes / Toxic Spikes / Taunt / Horn Drill / Guillotine / Gastro Acid / Entrainment / Baton Pass / U-Turn / Close Combat / Pin Missile / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
This is a basic set that even someone with a washing machine heart can use. This is a basic No Guard set that outspeeds popular No Guards such as Mega Mewtwo-Y :mewtwo-mega-y:, Mega Sceptile :sceptile-mega:, and Mega Aerodactyl :aerodactyl-mega:, and only underspeeding Deoxys-Speed :deoxys-speed: and Ninjask :ninjask:. This set effectively utilizes Pheromosa's offenses to its leverage, as otherwise you would probably opt for Deoxys-Speed. Pheromosa can nail pesky Wonder Guards with a strong CFZ or STAB U-Turn, however, your bulk is extremely bad so you do lose to FakeSpeed sets.

IV. Huge Power :azumarill:

Pheromosa @ Focus Sash / Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power / Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-Turn / Shell Smash
- Sunsteel Strike / Searing Sunraze Strike / Lovely Kiss / Spore
- Searing Shot / Moongeist Beam / Sunsteel Strike / Photon Geyser / Steam Eruption / Thousand Arrows / Close Combat / Pin Missile / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
- Searing Shot / Moongeist Beam / Sunsteel Strike / Photon Geyser / Steam Eruption / Thousand Arrows / Close Combat / Pin Missile / Let's Snuggle Forever / Searing Sunraze Smash / Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom / Oceanic Operatta / Splintered Stormshards / Light That Burns The Sky / Malicious Moonsault / Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike / Catostrapika / 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
Ok, this set looks confusing, but I promise you, and I'm definitely not lying to you, you can run Shell Smash and run 3 other moves. U-Turn is for if you want to be weird and be a pivot dude, but if you run like Shell Smash Sunsteel + 2 CFZs it'll be alright.

That's all from me, have a great time, sorry for adding cringe song references. And remember: "do it your way" — Mewtwo's Greatest Soldier
 
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[]Perish Trappers such as Primal Groudon :groudon-primal: run a set such as:[/][]
:groudon-primal: Groudon-Primal @ Grassium Z
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Impish Nature
- Thousand Waves
- Aromatherapy
- Perish Song
- Strength Sap
[/]
...What the hell is this.

First off, PDon is gonna run 3 CFZ's and trick as well, I have never seen this dogshit PDon set. PDon has a 180 Atk, why the hell would you ignore that in favor of losing to any Mon with a pivoting move? Also, TWaves is completely useless, and without something like taunt they can just Parting Shot/BP away. I am sorry, but this is 100% not a normal or real set. PDon runs STag to kill the Mon with damage, not this. PDon has the advantage over Phero in this role becase:

A). Scarf PDon outspeeds everything other then Ninjask and Deo-S, the speed that Phero has doesn't really matter.

B). PDon has way more attack, so even with a Scarf it can still put out damage like a Banded Phero.

(252 Atk Groudon-Primal Searing Sunraze Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 275-324 (66.1 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
(252 Atk Choice Band Pheromosa Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 334-394 (80.2 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO The Sunsteel has 200 BP, the calc doesn't like Banded Z moves)

Also PDon more or less have a move with CFZ strength that it can use more then once and does more damage then Banded Phero:

(252 Atk Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 372-438 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO)

C). PDon is bulky as shit. You can switch the STag Mon into a problem Mon and deal with it. Phero cannot take a paper cut, or it will have a stroke and die.

Phero probably does something somewhere, but Phero is not on PDon's level when it comes to STag.
 
...What the hell is this.

First off, PDon is gonna run 3 CFZ's and trick as well, I have never seen this dogshit PDon set. PDon has a 180 Atk, why the hell would you ignore that in favor of losing to any Mon with a pivoting move? Also, TWaves is completely useless, and without something like taunt they can just Parting Shot/BP away. I am sorry, but this is 100% not a normal or real set. PDon runs STag to kill the Mon with damage, not this. PDon has the advantage over Phero in this role becase:

A). Scarf PDon outspeeds everything other then Ninjask and Deo-S, the speed that Phero has doesn't really matter.

B). PDon has way more attack, so even with a Scarf it can still put out damage like a Banded Phero.

(252 Atk Groudon-Primal Searing Sunraze Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 275-324 (66.1 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
(252 Atk Choice Band Pheromosa Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 334-394 (80.2 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO The Sunsteel has 200 BP, the calc doesn't like Banded Z moves)

Also PDon more or less have a move with CFZ strength that it can use more then once and does more damage then Banded Phero:

(252 Atk Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 372-438 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO)

C). PDon is bulky as shit. You can switch the STag Mon into a problem Mon and deal with it. Phero cannot take a paper cut, or it will have a stroke and die.

Phero probably does something somewhere, but Phero is not on PDon's level when it comes to STag.
sir i said perish trapper not cfz trapper please read

this is also not a fake set because multiple people have run perish trap pdon because of its good bulk.

i simply put this set rather than the typical lsg stag se to demonstrate the other usage of stag, perish trap. and this set has proven itself with wins with unsuspecting mons getting perish trapped. you are right, taunt can be slotted, and twaves is essentially useless-but this set just uses it as ground stab. pheromosa does hit with wet noodle without cfzs, you’re right, but aftter pdon uses its cfzs a lone v create isnt hard to wall either

will elaborate further later because im busy so dont nuke please
 
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Here's a simple Mold Breaker Breaker goober:
Chansey with Eviolite and Prankster. Speed boosting nature and these 3 moves specifically for breaking the Mold Breakers.
Worry Seed and Entrainment to replace their abilities.
Parting Shot to pivot.
Another move to deal with the Dark-types.

Alakazam.
mold breaker is often not ran because youd much rather run huge power for an attack boost and moves like light that burns the sky and sunsteel strike that naturally mold break, called “moldy moves” by the community. the set you posted is bad because you are wasting two slots for an ability that rarely appears outside of mega gengar and yveltal (spooky plate judgment and mold knock respectively) on a generally frail mon physically, especially here without innards out or imposter to justify. “another move to deal with dark types” is..presumably fairy or bug coverage?-such as fleur cannon or bug buzz off of a 35 special attack mon?? this set is horrendous in the end -> and while i dont fully like the samples, i reccommend starting with one for someone like you who is clearly inexperienced as they will get you towards the right step. they can be found in the first page of this very thread.

alakazam also doesn’t beat darks without coverage.
 
They attempt to trap an unsuspecting Pokémon and click Perish Song, where it will try to spend 2 turns surviving and switch out at the end for a clean KO. Not the best strategy, but not the worst. Staying on topic, we have Shadow Tag Pheromosa, who does the ladder and attempts to trap an unsuspecting Pokémon and hit it with the right coverage.
simply put this set rather than the typical lsg stag se to demonstrate the other usage of stag, perish trap. and this set has proven itself with wins with unsuspecting mons getting perish trapped. you are right, taunt can be slotted, and twaves is essentially useless-but this set just uses it as ground stab. pheromosa does hit with wet noodle without cfzs, you’re right, but aftter pdon uses its cfzs a lone v create isnt hard to wall either
You compared that PDon to a more standard CFZ STag Phero set. If Phero gets to have the CRZ spam set, PDon also should show its actually good STag set.
this is also not a fake set because multiple people have run perish trap pdon because of its good bulk.
I have quite literally never seen PTrap PDon. Mold Breaker PDon? Yep. Wonder Guard PDon? Yep. Magic Bounce PDon? Yep. Perish Trap PDon? No. The only mons that PTrap PDon would do better into then a normal STag PDon is ungodly bulky mons that PDon can't just kill. The first thought upon hearing that would be bulky WG mons like MAud or something.

252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Searing Sunraze Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Audino-Mega: 412-486 (100.4 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

No.

PDon can beat more or less every bulky WG Mon with the right coverage, so PTrap doesn't even really help there. If anyone is ever using this PDon, it is for extreme matchup fishing and extreme matchup fishing alone. I don't even care about the Pheromosa part here, that PDon is fake as shit.
 
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