It's good that the common Calm Minders are faster than you, because then when you Psych Up, you get their boosts too, so they're not going to be ahead of you if you get the chance to Psych Up.
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UU -- Are we really using the best?
- Thread starter Chou Toshio
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It's good that the common Calm Minders are faster than you, because then when you Psych Up, you get their boosts too, so they're not going to be ahead of you if you get the chance to Psych Up.
I really don't understand the point in this. What are you arguing? That UUs are very usable? I didn't think anyone actually thought that no UU has a shot in OU.
Filter reduces SE damage by 1/4, not 1/2, so it still has a weakness to Ghost and Dark and Bug.
As for "Are we using the best?", there is no best. People will always think they are using the best, and that "best" will change. Is Rampardos still the "best" glass cannon in OU? Is Rhyperior still the "best" defensive Ground? "The best" is subjective, it's pointless to constantly strive for it.
Yeah you got that right, but can she really take a boosted attack?
Anyway..
Are we using the best? --> a really underrated sweeper in UU I've encountered is Omastar. This thing wrecks almost everything in rain dance with Life Orb. Also Kangaskhan is one of the most bulky hard hitters in UU, with an awesome ability.. I can definitely vouch for that - the restalk set is amazing, although the sub punching set is probably just as good.
Anyway..
Are we using the best? --> a really underrated sweeper in UU I've encountered is Omastar. This thing wrecks almost everything in rain dance with Life Orb. Also Kangaskhan is one of the most bulky hard hitters in UU, with an awesome ability.. I can definitely vouch for that - the restalk set is amazing, although the sub punching set is probably just as good.
-chris, do not know if you noticed, but this thread regards UUs in UU, not OU. We are talking about the centralization around a few like swellow, meg and hitmons, and it is a more general question. Not really "what is the best?" so much as "Are the pokemon we are centering around (using a lot) really that powerful?" Mostly because a lot of "less seen" UUs are potentially even more dangerous, especially for those who do not have them in mind when team building.
Thanks guys for catching my cacturn mistake-- I kind of zoned out there. xD
I could care less if people use standards or not really, not complaining. I am just wondering if they are really the best options in UU. I have the toughest time dealing with sets people make themselves I find. Moreover, I find that scyther, swellow, and ninetales are some of the hardest things to sweep with since most enemies have 3 or 4 viable switch ins cause they are so afraid of them. >.>
Thanks guys for catching my cacturn mistake-- I kind of zoned out there. xD
I could care less if people use standards or not really, not complaining. I am just wondering if they are really the best options in UU. I have the toughest time dealing with sets people make themselves I find. Moreover, I find that scyther, swellow, and ninetales are some of the hardest things to sweep with since most enemies have 3 or 4 viable switch ins cause they are so afraid of them. >.>
I should get back into UU, I love the beedrill set I use.
anyways, my team has one or two standard pokemon on it, but actually thats just because I think he looks cool (cough ninetails cough)
anyways, my team has one or two standard pokemon on it, but actually thats just because I think he looks cool (cough ninetails cough)
This is completely true - Omastar is a beast. With Surf/IB/Ancientpower/HP Grass it OHKOs the vast majority of Pokémon in UU, and 2HKOs the rest. Swap Surf for Hydro Pump and it even 2HKOs some Blisseys, though the extra power is usually overkill and missing 15% of the time will screw you over.
Pair it up with a suicidal RD/Taunt/Thunder/Explosion Electrode @ Wet Rock lead, and Omastar is all but guaranteed to sweep. The only REAL counters (able to switch in) are priority Hitmontop and Water Absorb/Dry Skin Pokémon who aren't OHKO'd by his other moves (Lapras and Toxicroak). Sashers, Scarfed Rotom, and Meganium are pretty much the only revenge killers, unless Omastar has taken a buttload of Orb damage already (meaning it has swept half your team). Bulky statusers like Hypno and Clefable can also revenge-paralyze, but with Phione or Dewgong on your team it's easy to see that coming and Hydration it off.
In short, Omastar is the most powerful Pokemon I've ever seen or used in UU. With minimal setup it sweeps teams effortlessly.
Cradily is hardly even UU anymore with the prevalence of Sandstorm. The problem with some of the ones listed are their weaknesses (Muk, Noctowl) or at least lack of resistances (Lapras) that make them UU. Lanturn is a better example, it's a fantastic special wall for soaking up non-super effective hits.
Gorebyss is so overlooked...with Rain Dance set up, it's at LEAST the best UU special sweeper, for sure. Ah yes, with competition with Omastar.
Shedinja also resists boltbeam + water.
Relicanth is superior, for no recoil. Hooray.
20%...
Since you mentioned Electrode, he's a pretty awesome lead too. I give him Thunderbolt/HP Fighting/Explosion/Protect for UU. Protect to screw up Persian's faking out, HP Fighting for Steelix/Aggron (on a switch in expecting thunderbolt/explosion).
I haven't used it in a long time, and I only had mixed success when using it before (probably due to me being a horrible battler at the time instead of merely bad), but I've always thought a Wring Out/Brine Omastar could work. Something like...
Omastar @ Life Orb
Modest / EVs: 72 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 184 Speed
Ability: Swift Swim
- Wring Out
- Brine
- Hidden Power Grass
- Ancientpower/Ice Beam
72 HP gives it 299 HP for minimum Life Orb damage while 184 Speed lets it outspeed Jolly Swellow in the rain. Wring Out is 121 power when the enemy is at full health, while Brine is 130 power (not including STAB or rain!) when they dip below half health. That Water/Normal combo is only resisted by Shedinja in UU, and Ancientpower takes care of it. HP Grass helps deal with the Water Absorbers while Ice Beam is an option for Grass types/Altaria if Shedinja doesn't scare you. Grumpig takes Wring Out pretty well, but as soon as it gets below half health, Brine rips it apart.
Omastar @ Life Orb
Modest / EVs: 72 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 184 Speed
Ability: Swift Swim
- Wring Out
- Brine
- Hidden Power Grass
- Ancientpower/Ice Beam
72 HP gives it 299 HP for minimum Life Orb damage while 184 Speed lets it outspeed Jolly Swellow in the rain. Wring Out is 121 power when the enemy is at full health, while Brine is 130 power (not including STAB or rain!) when they dip below half health. That Water/Normal combo is only resisted by Shedinja in UU, and Ancientpower takes care of it. HP Grass helps deal with the Water Absorbers while Ice Beam is an option for Grass types/Altaria if Shedinja doesn't scare you. Grumpig takes Wring Out pretty well, but as soon as it gets below half health, Brine rips it apart.
Meh, pretty sure everyone knoes about omastar. I really do not care for it much myself since I prefer to start attacking right off the bat >;d
I have seen elctrode-omastar so many times though, it is just not surprising anymore.
I have seen elctrode-omastar so many times though, it is just not surprising anymore.
What are you trying to say here? I'm confused, since Cradily missed the OU cut-off by 25 places and there's no auto-weather in UU and a lot of Rain teams besides so Sandstorm, well, isn't prevalent.
The problem is that Surf 1 or 2HKOs every non-resist (and hell, most resists) in UU anyway. Why waste the extra spot when you can surf twice, or use a SE attack?
I mean that I see Cradily a lot in OU matches thanks to Tyranitar/Hippowdon support.
I lost my UU team when my com burst, but i remember that i had a defensive Altaria using a set like this
Altaria @ Life Orb
- Toxic
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Rest
It gets completely walled by Bastiodon, but that's about it. Special tanks gets a Toxic, Rock/Steels get an earthquake, and Draco Meteor hits everything else.
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And all my UU teams had a Butterfree lead.
Butterfree @ Choice Scarf
- Toxic
- Stun Spore
- Sleep Powder
- Tailwind
You just can't avoid one of the statuses.
Altaria @ Life Orb
- Toxic
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Rest
It gets completely walled by Bastiodon, but that's about it. Special tanks gets a Toxic, Rock/Steels get an earthquake, and Draco Meteor hits everything else.
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And all my UU teams had a Butterfree lead.
Butterfree @ Choice Scarf
- Toxic
- Stun Spore
- Sleep Powder
- Tailwind
You just can't avoid one of the statuses.
im surprised i have never seen an exploud. it has pretty good stats to be a mixed attacker in uu, as well as a great movepool
I surprised I hardly ever see Sandslash in UU. It's a bit likea UU Donphan w/o Roar and Knock off, but it has a bigger offensive movepool and can attempt a sweep. Looks like most people'd rather stick to Steelix/Drapion/Leafeon/Poliwrath/Claydol for their physical tanking.
Sandslash is without doubt, my preferred rapid spinner. That said, I don't really want to use a rapid spinner. Heck, I don't really want to use Sandslash, not when I can use Nidoking. Sorry slash, but nidoking's a beast. :P
I think you could use a Rapid Spinner. Heck, ANY team with both Scyther and Swellow could use a Rapid Spinner, not to mention Lapras as well. You're not going to keep rocks off the field forever.
One thing I didn't understand in your post was the "mindset" explanation. What makes your mindset more UU than your other mindset? (By the way, half your team are some of the most common UU Pokemon, and Lapras and Aggron are common enough).
One thing I didn't understand in your post was the "mindset" explanation. What makes your mindset more UU than your other mindset? (By the way, half your team are some of the most common UU Pokemon, and Lapras and Aggron are common enough).
To be fair, with scyther being completely walled by steelix, and people finding new counters to it (Muk is a counter that I have seen used more), Scyther will probably not be the most common uu anymore. The hitmons, swellow, nidos, and manectric probably take that title. Which reminds me, chou with all the physical sweepers why use Luxray over Manectric?
@umbarsc-- If I can't keep rocks off the field, that's not a problem with the team/mindset, but rather a problem with my skill (ie, not enough skill). As for why this team is more UU-ish, that's because the 6 have been better adjusted to switching into hits from UU pokemon.
@Kinglerdude-- Luxray and Manectric aren't really comparable imo. One is a physically-oriented bulky sweeper/disabling support poke, and the other is a special sweeper. That's like asking "Why use Gyarados when you can use Starmie?" imo. Luxray is my lead, and Intimidate + 120 base attack makes it a completely different poke.
Though manectric does looks good too, but I guess in terms of weaknesses it's hard to fit both in the same team. :/
@Kinglerdude-- Luxray and Manectric aren't really comparable imo. One is a physically-oriented bulky sweeper/disabling support poke, and the other is a special sweeper. That's like asking "Why use Gyarados when you can use Starmie?" imo. Luxray is my lead, and Intimidate + 120 base attack makes it a completely different poke.
Though manectric does looks good too, but I guess in terms of weaknesses it's hard to fit both in the same team. :/
Actually chou I wasn't comparing them. I just noticed how your team was incredibly offensive on the physical side, but seemed to lack a bit in the special side. So when I saw you had a physical elc pokemon, I thought why not replace him for a special elc pokemon to give you that edge.
Although leading with intimidate is a good idea in todays game, especially with the ammoung of fake out pokemon we have (fake out top, persian, kangaskhan, ect. leading).
Although leading with intimidate is a good idea in todays game, especially with the ammoung of fake out pokemon we have (fake out top, persian, kangaskhan, ect. leading).