Assuming they both have 31 IVs, Foretress outspeeds Slowbro by 20 points. Let the race between the tortoise and the sloth begin.
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UU Simple Questions Thread
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yeah that didnt help me at all and forry is a bagworm not a sloth
I don't play much UU but I'll try to answer this.
With a Relaxed nature and 23 speed IVs you can outspeed Slowbro by a point without being forced to weaken whatever move you are using. This ends up decreasing the power of Gyro Ball by 14 base power compared to a Relaxed nature but that honestly isn't all that bad considering Forretress is already a very weak Pokemon for the most part (example - does 7% more to offensive Mew with 0 vs 23 IVs). Its probably worth just barely outspeeding Slowbro if that is a problem but keeping the speed low enough so it isn't too weak.
As for the slow Volt Switches, Forretress is already slower than everything other than Slowbro/Snorlax/Escavalier anyway so its Volt Switches will still probably move close to last so there is probably little reason to modify speed to minimum. Considering Slowbro and occasionally Snorlax run Fire moves and can damage Forretress its probably better to to outspeed them (the latter is obviously going to use a rather weak Fire Punch or maybe Earthquake if it stays in, giving a general sense of what to switch in)
Quick question concerning possible Offensive partners for Honchkrow?
Okay, what is it?
I looked at the last 3 months of 1760 OU ranks to check who would be changing (we're losing Manectric and Gardevoir because of megastone bullshit, definatly getting Lucario and possibly getting Goodra if he doesn't get used 0.5% more). I then saw Volcarona had 3.4% in Febuary and ever since then it was less than 3. Isn't Volcarona already UU?
It also might be interesting to know that the PS pokedex lists Politoad as NU, I always thought he was banned and never saw him but I guess he can be used for his water absorb at anytime.
It also might be interesting to know that the PS pokedex lists Politoad as NU, I always thought he was banned and never saw him but I guess he can be used for his water absorb at anytime.
Pretty sure this was asked in the statistics thread itself, in fact you are one post above the answer:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...stics-discussion-thread.3503667/#post-5353969
So as noted in that thread the first real tier shift to occur since XY UU became official will start from March/April/May statistics that will be reflected this coming June. The reason why we had some additions to XY UU when it became official is that those mons just managed to squeeze themselves into the deadline during the transition, whereas the upcoming drop downs did not.
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IIRC Volcarona is like #49 in the official stats used for tiering (and just very very barely above the cutoff). The shit like Donphan/Cloyster etc all fell at that point so yup.
and yeah Volcarona is fucking scary as shit considering he shits over Florges and just about half of the entire tier with Quiver Dance and his retarded speed tier.
Also btw Politoed was never banned, Drizzle was (and honestly it makes virtually no diff either way because non-drizzle poli has like zero viability in UU smh)
and yeah Volcarona is fucking scary as shit considering he shits over Florges and just about half of the entire tier with Quiver Dance and his retarded speed tier.
Also btw Politoed was never banned, Drizzle was (and honestly it makes virtually no diff either way because non-drizzle poli has like zero viability in UU smh)
You forgot about fiery dance. That is one mofo of a move
Because there's no need to mention it. Quiver Dance is fucking broke. 100 base speed means Volcarona stands at a rather solid speed tier in the game (the only common scarfer afaik that beats that is mien), and his movepool is really sick (Florges does jack shit to Volcarona other than Toxic which sets like ChestoRest/Sub dgaf about, the next bunch of specially defensive mons, Umbreon/Mew are both weak to Bug Buzz, Giga Drain beats Vaporeon, Hurricane smashes Flash Fire abusers). Best switchins against this bitch off the top of my head is specially defensive oven and Snorlax. Granted, neither are terrible, but Volcarona is really going to change things up. A lot.
If anything the thing restraining him from being overpowered is that he can't run QD/Bug Buzz/Hurricane/Fiery Dance/Giga Drain all on one moveset, but in a tier where priority flying attacks are non-existent (with the exception of our lord and savior FLETCHINDER), Volcarona looks set to tear this tier a new asshole.
No. Unless you think scarf starmie is viable
Okay good. Thanks
How is it fair that Crawdaunt get the kick and not Darmanitan and Victini? What was Crawdaunt's viability rank beforehand? I may play UU again soon but to remove the one Pokemon I need to handle those fire types which give me a hard time in both OU and UU along with unbeatable Slowbro just pisses me off.
Because Darmanitan and Victini hate Stealth Rock, are weak to Sucker Punch, both there STAB moves have serious drawbacks, and in Darmanitan's case, it's very predictable. Bulky Water- and Rock-types, as well as defensive Arcanine, deal with them very well. Also, it was explained why Crawdaunt was banned in the most recent post in this thread.
Stealth Rock is a valid argument for Darmanitan since its monster STAB hurts its healthbut Victini does not get recoil so SR does not convince me that Victini does not deserve BL. Volcarona should drop to UU with that argument. Victini and Slowbro in fact have a higher viability in OU than Crawdaunt and Volcarona so I remain unpersuaded. If I make a new UU team I feel that I *must* use Alomomola and Florges and Mega Absol to deal with the threats I cannot stand losing to.
I noticed Venomoth went BL too. I swear wasn't that in NU not too long ago?
I noticed Venomoth went BL too. I swear wasn't that in NU not too long ago?
Well you also ignored half my post so ok
Also using Pokemon to deal with threats is part of the game .-.
Volcarona is different b/c after a Quiver Dance it's close to unstoppable, while Victini and Darmanitan have common counters. It also has Roost to recover HP.
Being BL has nothing to do with being viable in OU. It has to do with how powerful it is in UU
Venomoth was NU not too long ago. It was banned due to it being able to shut down Pokemon with Sleep Powder, then Quiver Pass to the likes of Hydregon and sweep.
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Actually Victini doesn't use Wild Charge (it has Bolt Strike). But the difference is that Victini will often have to switch out due to V-create's side effect, making it easy to rack up residual damage. Both are also easily hard countered by Slowbro, one of the best Pokemon in the meta atm. (aside from the special Victini sets with GK but it's a general consensus that the physical set is far more threatening)
Crawdaunt is different because it can actually laugh at his counter (Chesnaught) due to Aerial Ace.
also OU/NU/whatever bullshit tier that isn't UU has literally zero impact on UU's tiering system, nobody gives a shit if Crawdaunt is like unviable in OU, what has been proven is that Crawdaunt is broken in UU and hence he gets sent to BL. Venomoth falls under the same logic (and honestly quiverpass is fucking cheap considering the amount of shit we have that can wreck the tier easily with a quiverpass such as mega tortoise/sheep/dog, nidoking, hydreigon, kyurem etc), though that shit was already broken in RU/NU anyway and if UU haven't banned it first chances are RU/NU would've done so by now. it's like saying that Deoxys-N/Arceus-Psychic should be unbanned because it's unviable in ubers...
The thing about Volcarona is that after a QD it's near impossible to revenge without LORD FLETCHINDER/scarf mienshao, the best special walls in the tier atm either crumble against it (Umbreon, Mew) or do jack shit (Florges), very few things can actually switch into it easily because of his coverage options (giga drain beats waters, hurricane hits flash fire users) and Fiery Dance is basically special Moxie (aka broke). All it really needs is like Defog/Rapid Spin support which is actually ok because we have decent spinners/defoggers in the tier (starmie, flygon, mew etc)
Crawdaunt is different because it can actually laugh at his counter (Chesnaught) due to Aerial Ace.
also OU/NU/whatever bullshit tier that isn't UU has literally zero impact on UU's tiering system, nobody gives a shit if Crawdaunt is like unviable in OU, what has been proven is that Crawdaunt is broken in UU and hence he gets sent to BL. Venomoth falls under the same logic (and honestly quiverpass is fucking cheap considering the amount of shit we have that can wreck the tier easily with a quiverpass such as mega tortoise/sheep/dog, nidoking, hydreigon, kyurem etc), though that shit was already broken in RU/NU anyway and if UU haven't banned it first chances are RU/NU would've done so by now. it's like saying that Deoxys-N/Arceus-Psychic should be unbanned because it's unviable in ubers...
The thing about Volcarona is that after a QD it's near impossible to revenge without LORD FLETCHINDER/scarf mienshao, the best special walls in the tier atm either crumble against it (Umbreon, Mew) or do jack shit (Florges), very few things can actually switch into it easily because of his coverage options (giga drain beats waters, hurricane hits flash fire users) and Fiery Dance is basically special Moxie (aka broke). All it really needs is like Defog/Rapid Spin support which is actually ok because we have decent spinners/defoggers in the tier (starmie, flygon, mew etc)
Slowbro does not enjoy switching into a Bolt Strike. Choice Banded Victini 2KO's him. What kind of hard counter is that!? Still Slowbro is my least favorite part about UU now that the guys in UU want to remove all his best checks and counters to make him harder to kill. What's stopping HIM from going to BL?
I'm glad Fletchinder is getting its recognition. I had to put up with ignorant assholes in the chatrooms when I mentioned Fletch's capabilities to sweep team in RU and even after getting a 6-0 in a UU match they made excuses and dismissed my evidence that it is a viable Pokemon.
I'm glad Fletchinder is getting its recognition. I had to put up with ignorant assholes in the chatrooms when I mentioned Fletch's capabilities to sweep team in RU and even after getting a 6-0 in a UU match they made excuses and dismissed my evidence that it is a viable Pokemon.
Slowbro has regenerator and coupled with left overs it basically makes the entire thing moot since he can very easily recover it, and since Victini is usually going to be choice locked (i.e. Scarf or Band) often he will have to switch out and in turn rack up residual damage. Moreover, UU is very much prepared against physical fire STABs so there isn't exactly a shortage in things able to switch in and out to take a hit if necessary against Victini or Darm. Whereas the same cannot be said about Crawdaunt who has very high powered attacks thanks to adaptability and only made better by being one of the few priority users in the tier, making him not as dead weight against potential scarvers or faster mons in general, further compounded by Dark type now having one less resistance to worry about. Moreover, you are neglecting the fact that Daunt doesn't exactly have any real drawbacks in using his STAB knock off as compared to Victini/Darm using V-create/Flareblitz.
That said you appear to be looking for a way to break the Slowbro/Florges defensive core rather than looking at options already sent to BL you may want to consider existing ones like Nidoking/Queen or my personal favorite Roserade.
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Crawdaunt does have his drawbacks, he's really slow and easy to OHKO after taking an Aqua Jet. I have found him usable in OU due to the fact my opponents think they can get away with switching out to 'bulky' Pokemon like Clefable and Skarmory just to get 2KO'd.
Once again, what is stopping hard-to-OHKO Slowbro from going to BL?
Edit: Machi, wait a while longer before responding to me next time.
Once again, what is stopping hard-to-OHKO Slowbro from going to BL?
Edit: Machi, wait a while longer before responding to me next time.
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Except that frailty and speed can be mitigated by either priority, since a lot of pokemon currently are weak to water types with the prevalence of offensive fire types or just plain frail, or in some cases Dragon Dance. I believe this this has been adequately covered in the BL post already.
Also weren't you talking about Victini just a while back? In any event this is a Q/A thread not the BL speculation thread so no point going further from topic further as it is delving more into discussing the metagame than a simple Q/A.
Edit: Your speculation was centered around Darm or Tini and you've gotten some answers to that. Now you want to speculate on Slowbro simply because it is giving you hard time again this is already outside of what this topic is intended for as you are more interested in actually discussing possible suspects of things not even remotely considered. Moreover, your queries about Daunt have been answered in the councils paragraphs and even pointed out by people at this point you are just beating on a dead horse. Also, Slowbro is not hard to OHKO when you hit him on the special side and there are enough mons capable of doing so Roserade/Hydregion/Mega Doom/Shaymin to name a few prominent ones as his weakness on the special side are a prolific typing in the tier. At this point you are better off playing the tier rather than speculating or hitting yourself on the wall by ignoring the plethora of options available.
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Hey Guys, is there a current list with all the pokemon in Tier UU? On Showdown Infernape and Alakazam are tiered in OU, but usable in UU, it's confusing a bit.
Thanks
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