Project UU Victim of the Week (Round Twenty Four: Rhyperior)

We’re at a tie! Between Amoonguss and Zeraora, I’m giving my vote to the mushroom due to its consistency as a check. So with that out of the way:

The Winners are:
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Katy and Estarossa
Katy stops the alligator with the mushroom while Estarossa stalls it out with a sea cucumber. It appears making the Gatr go vegan was its biggest weakness this whole time.

Checks:
Amoonguss=5
Zeraora=4
Mega Sceptile=3
Celebi=2
Alomomola=1

Counters:
Pyukumuku=6
Primarina=1

Round 20’s Victim is:
CroCune
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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

So I had a major fucking hiccup and forgot that Mega Aerodactyl was already a Victim. So now you gotta deal with plain old Suicune. Specifically CroCune. Suicune is a Pokémon that often requires to be built around itself and plays as a wincon for these sorts of Balances. It also possesses Pressure to annoy Stall. Get those subs in by Monday and prepare for discussion on Sunday! Peace!​
 
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since a bunch of counters have been posted ima go w a check
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Sceptile @ Sceptilite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Energy Ball
- Dragon Pulse
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power [Fire]

252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Suicune: 260-308 (64.3 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Sceptile-Mega Energy Ball vs. +1 252 HP / 96 SpD Suicune: 174-206 (43 - 50.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
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Reserving Articuno as a counter.

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Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 44 SpD / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Haze
- Defog/Heal Bell
- Freeze-Dry
- Roost

Articuno outspeeds suicune and can get rid of any boosts with Haze. It also has pressure on its own so limits the amount of times Suicune can click scald. Scald also does minimal damage. Even factoring in Stealth Rock damage, Articuno can even switch in on a +1 crit Scald from Suicune, and it outspeeds suicune so it can roost off any damage inflicted and can 3HKO it back with . Also thanks to heal bell, it can also heal itself from its burns.

Offensively though, Articuno 3HKOs an uninvested Suicune with Freeze Dry, meaning that it can't effectively PP stall with rest/talk.
 
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celebi

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Celebi @ Grassium Z
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Giga Drain
- Dazzling Gleam

Offensive Celebi is a huge threat to Suicune as Suicune has trouble bypassing it with only Scald in its Moveset, Celebi also doesn't mind
Sccald burns as it can natural cure this of when it gets withdrawn, furthermore having access to Giga Drain to recover health back is a great tool as well against CroCune.
Also Celebi only needs 1 Nasty Plot to OHKO with Z-Giga Drain even when Suicune is at +1 with a Calm Mind setup, making celebi a great offensive counter to CroCune.

Calcs:
w/o boosts:
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Celebi: 39-47 (11.4 - 13.7%) -- possible 8HKO

252 SpA Celebi Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 109-129 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- 34.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 182-216 (45 - 53.4%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Celebi Bloom Doom (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 338-402 (83.6 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

w boosts:
+1 0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Celebi: 59-69 (17.3 - 20.2%) -- possible 5HKO

252 SpA Celebi Bloom Doom (140 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 228-270 (56.4 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 122-146 (30.1 - 36.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

w NP boost to +1 CM boosted Suicune:
+2 252 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 242-288 (59.9 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Celebi Psychic vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 145-172 (35.8 - 42.5%) -- 94.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Celebi Bloom Doom (140 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 452-534 (111.8 - 132.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery

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Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Facade
- Earthquake
- Roost
You scald on another Suicune counter, and you lose your Suicune or have to switch it. You scald on a Facade Altaria, and you lose 4 mons and possibly the whole game. Altaria is arguably the scariest setup sweeper in the tier and Suicune hands out free setup to it like candy, it can easily setup and roost the damage, and if it gets burned? Even better.
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CB Tsareena as a counter
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Tsareena @ Choice Band
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Knock Off
- High Jump Kick
- U-turn

Cb Tsareena can switch into any of Suicune's moves and proceed to OHKO with Power Whip. A potential scald burn also doesn't stop it from dealing with Suicune, as Power Whip is still a 2HKO if burnt.

252 Atk Choice Band Tsareena Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 390-462 (96.5 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band burned Tsareena Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 195-231 (48.2 - 57.1%) -- 42.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tsareena: 40-48 (14 - 16.8%) -- possible 5HKO after burn damage
 
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Toxicroak @ Life Orb / Poisonium Z
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Gunk Shot
- Sucker Punch​

Self-explantory as to why this is a hard counter to Suicune. Dry Skin prevents it using the only move it runs then you just SD once and proceed to 2OHKO it with Gunk into Drain Punch. Item of choice is up to you, LO giving it consistent damage on its moves which it can heal the recoil damage off by Suicune using Scald. Or use Poisonium Z to nuke it after an SD boost.

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 309-367 (76.4 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 195-230 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- 37.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Toxicroak Acid Downpour (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 378-445 (93.5 - 110.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
 
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Zeraora @ Electrium Z
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Plasma Fists
- Close Combat
- Knock Off

Zeraora is a great check to crocune, much better than it is to vincune due to the lack of substitute, meaning it isnt punished for getting a free switch in. Bulk up set here allows for the Z-Plasma fists, which is a solid OHKO after rocks + leftovers, or a 56.3% chance to OHKO from full without rocks.

Zeraora may even attempt to directly swap in on CroCune, but it has to watch out incase it gets scald burned, at which point it will probably lose without cleric support, but this is still very much in its favour when combined with the 50/50 of calm mind or scald and then the 30% burn chance.

252 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 372-440 (92 - 108.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 372-440 (92 - 108.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 206-246 (50.9 - 60.8%) -- 89.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zeraora: 96-114 (30.2 - 35.9%) -- 37.2% chance to 3HKO
 
FEELS. (Reuniclus) @ Fightinium Z / Psychium Z / Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast / Energy Ball
- Recover

I am submitting Reuniclus as a counter. It can switch in on the Suicine as it uses Calm Mind, and effectively use it as fodder for setting up Calm Mind of its own because it’s got Recover to discard Scald damage and the ability to bust through with Psyshock or Energy Ball, given enough boosts.

0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Reuniclus: 91-108 (21.4 - 25.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Reuniclus: 135-160 (31.8 - 37.7%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

+3 0 SpA Reuniclus Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Suicune: 184-217 (45.5 - 53.7%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
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Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Rapid Spin
- Haze
- Sludge Bomb

Tenta is a hard check to Suicune. It is faster and easily Hazes away all those accumulated Calm Minds. It resists Scald and retaliates with Sludge Bomb/Knock Off. However, its only a check because it can keep Cune at bay, and not actually knock it out. If both players play at their best, this scenario can go either way.
 
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Since everyone is snatching fast, i gotta hit them up with the best HARD CHECK ever. Hydreigon can solidly check Suicune due to its Dragon typing making it resist the only move that SuiCUNT can go for(Scald), and roost off the damage. Seems neat, right?

but no. That's not the only thing Hydra can do to Suicune. Hydreigon has TAUNT. That means water doggo can't calm mind up to High Heaven and it can't recover off the damage you fire off against it.

However, i'm calling it a hard check instead of a counter because it can get screwed over by Pressure if its Z is used, and if its at +1, it takes some time to chip it. It also really dislikes burns unless paired with a cleric.
Boosted Suicune vs. Hydra
+1 0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon: 64-76 (19.6 - 23.3%) -- possible 5HKO

252 SpA Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 76-90 (18.8 - 22.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 123-145 (30.4 - 35.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Hydreigon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 184-217 (45.5 - 53.7%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Unboosted Suicune vs. Hydra
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hydreigon: 42-51 (12.9 - 15.6%) -- possible 7HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 148-175 (36.6 - 43.3%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Hydreigon Devastating Drake (195 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 274-324 (67.8 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Hydreigon @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse
- Roost
- Taunt
 
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Azelf @ Electrium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psyshock
- Thunder

Neither standard nor conventional by any means, but Z-Thunder Azelf definitely has the means to check CroCune.

252 SpA Azelf Gigavolt Havoc (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 348-410 (86.1 - 101.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Assuming your opponent doesn't survive and misclick rest this turn, the odds are in your favor to remove Cune from play completely

But what's stopping Cune from just clicking CM while you swap to Azelf? You aren't gonna get it in on a double every time, are you?
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A fair assessment, however

+2 252 SpA Azelf Gigavolt Havoc (185 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 464-546 (114.8 - 135.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Azelf: 159-187 (54.6 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Simply clicking Nasty Plot gives you the means to overcome that issue next turn while Cune is unable to take you out at +1.
 
Toxicroak is definitely the best counter because Suicune can't do anything to it, and unlike other water immunities which Suicune can still attempt to PP stall, Toxicroak can just set up to +6 and slap it without a care.
Articuno is another favored counter of mine, I've actually tried to play Suicune into Articuno before on the Mega Sableye ladder (Where Articuno was everywhere) And it definitely absolutely hard stops it everytime.
Favorite check (Which honestly feels like a borderline counter) is Hydreigon. It's my favorite check to splash onto teams and taunt + water resist + recovery definitely stops Cune dead..
 
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