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Project Victim of the Week: ZU Edition
- Thread starter Toto
- Start date
Shiinotic and Gourgeist
Mr.Mime and Gothitelle
Winners
Checks
Checks
User | Pokemon | Submission |
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Counters
User | Pokemon | Submission |
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Checks
Shiinotic - 4
Mr. Mime - 2
Beheeyem - 1
Counters
Gourgeist - 3
Gothitelle - 2
Pyukumuku - 1
Vespiquen - 1
Shiinotic - 4
Mr. Mime - 2
Beheeyem - 1
Counters
Gourgeist - 3
Gothitelle - 2
Pyukumuku - 1
Vespiquen - 1
Cheezy - 3
JonAmon 25 - 2
risin_glory - 2
missangelic - 2
Oathkeepre - 1
Ryan207 - 1
OranBerryBlissey10 - 1
T0T0DI!E - 1
k.r.o.b. - 1
Marjane - 1
JonAmon 25 - 2
risin_glory - 2
missangelic - 2
Oathkeepre - 1
Ryan207 - 1
OranBerryBlissey10 - 1
T0T0DI!E - 1
k.r.o.b. - 1
Marjane - 1
Week 7
Mr. Mime
Mr. Mime @ Choice Specs
Ability: Filter
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psychic
- Focus Blast / Mystical Fire
- Trick
Voting starts Tuesday, October 6
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Pyukumuku @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Block
- Spite
- Recover
- Rest
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pyukumuku: 109-130 (34.7 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
yum. thanks to block/spite you can't get pp stalled.
edit: trick doesn't beat pyuku because you can stall it out with rest
edit 2: im submitting this as a check because if they get a spdef drop you have to switch once
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Just a suggestion but maybe we should do a new drops as a victim? Maybe like Lycanroc-Midnight?
Mr. Mime seems a bit out of nowhere and its not even modest :(
Lycanroc-Midnight @ Life Orb
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Sucker Punch
Mr. Mime seems a bit out of nowhere and its not even modest :(
Lycanroc-Midnight @ Life Orb
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Sucker Punch
Klang @ Eviolite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Shift Gear
- Gear Grind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk/Iron Defense
Klang does Klang things, can still win if tricked assuming you clicked gear grind. Klang is a counter, in case this wasn't obvious.
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Idt I've ever been called a donut before but yeah my bad lol, Klang is a check.
252 SpA Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 33-39 (10.1 - 12%) -- possible 9HKO
252 SpA Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 29-35 (8.9 - 10.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Mr. Mime Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 74-88 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 45.2% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Mr. Mime Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 118-140 (36.4 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Filter Mr. Mime: 192-228 (86.8 - 103.1%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 29-35 (8.9 - 10.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Mr. Mime Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 74-88 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 45.2% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Mr. Mime Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Klang: 118-140 (36.4 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Filter Mr. Mime: 192-228 (86.8 - 103.1%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
timid mime is better unless on webs
edit: mime is a fine pick and lycanroc is banned anyway lol, stop bullying cheezy
edit 2: why is there a pikachu in this thread?
edit 3: can I reserve pyuk in advance? (pls don't blacklist it btw)
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Dusclops @ Eviolite
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 232 HP / 24 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Poltergeist
- Toxic
clops switches in comfortably 252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 232 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 75-88 (26.8 - 31.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO if you get dropped or tricked you click polter and ohko assuming mime has taken rocks chip 24 Atk Dusclops Poltergeist (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Filter Mr. Mime: 195-231 (88.2 - 104.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock If mime clicks psychic/dazzle, you can PP stall, get a free toxic, or just hit smth with a polter
call it a check or a counter idm either way and dont remember the definition
lol the oranguru cant switch in after rocks why was this submitted
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 232 HP / 24 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Poltergeist
- Toxic
clops switches in comfortably 252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 232 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 75-88 (26.8 - 31.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO if you get dropped or tricked you click polter and ohko assuming mime has taken rocks chip 24 Atk Dusclops Poltergeist (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Filter Mr. Mime: 195-231 (88.2 - 104.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock If mime clicks psychic/dazzle, you can PP stall, get a free toxic, or just hit smth with a polter
call it a check or a counter idm either way and dont remember the definition
lol the oranguru cant switch in after rocks why was this submitted
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Doesn't mime just trick and win?
Pyukumuku @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Block
- Spite
- Recover
- Rest
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pyukumuku: 109-130 (34.7 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
yum. thanks to block/spite you can't get pp stalled.
edited my post to clarify but no, mime still gets stalled out by a pyuku locked into rest (or recover/spite later on)
when it tricks u, it is rid of choice item...so idk how u plan to pp stall it with just 1 move even if its spite...
bartender (Oranguru) (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 76 HP / 100 Def / 252 SpA / 80 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt/Trick
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
Beats the mime up and beats it down! Beats the mime all the way! Yeah basically I wont type in much since I aint in the mood, plus calcs speak stronger than words anyways...
Points to remember:
1) The ev spread aint a random weird one even if it seems so and that's because its the most finely tailored ev spread, tsareentje helped me with, that maximises guru's offensive output and minimises its damage.
2) Trick on guru is for just some regular set, whereas thunderbolt is for coverage against stuff like vespiquen and vullaby.
CALCULATIONS:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Oranguru Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mr. Mime: 144-169 (65.1 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 76 HP / 80 SpD Oranguru: 141-166 (41.4 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Focus Blast vs. 76 HP / 80 SpD Oranguru: 140-165 (41.1 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Now in case mime goes for the dirty mystical fire troll, oranguru just spills its drink on it.
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Mystical Fire vs. 76 HP / 80 SpD Oranguru: 88-104 (25.8 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO(taking highest roll every time, 30.5 times 3=91.5)
-1 252+ SpA Choice Specs Oranguru Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mr. Mime: 96-114 (43.4 - 51.5%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
-2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Oranguru Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mr. Mime: 72-85 (32.5 - 38.4%) -- 98.5% chance to 3HKO
-3 252+ SpA Choice Specs Oranguru Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mr. Mime: 58-69 (26.2 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
(Taking lowest roll Everytime and excluding spd drop chance, 43.4+32.5+26.2=102.1 which corresponds to afterlife)
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you literally just click rest lol. you're asleep, you have 3x the pp. only way he keeps you at full health is to trick you multiple times and you can just swap to recover or spite depending on the situation. let me have my pyuku.
once u r asleep, it tricks u twice on your sleeping turn getting u the specs again. from that point, u will have only 2 options ,either rest again, or use another move. if u use another move, u lose for sure. if u use rest, the cycle continues unless mime is out of tricks. when that is done, the 3 attacks of mime, count up more pp than your remaining rest pp. so u end up losing. its complicated battle between these two mons, but that's how I read it going. then again, I might have gotten confused at some point, so if that's the case, do point out.
Submitting Pikachu as an offensive check
rat (Pikachu) @ Light Ball
Naughty Nature
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
- Fake Out
- Extreme Speed
- Volt Switch
- Knock Off
rat (Pikachu) @ Light Ball
Naughty Nature
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
- Fake Out
- Extreme Speed
- Volt Switch
- Knock Off
FakeSpeed Pikachu will always revenge kill Mime, even if Mime is still at full. All there really is to say on the matter.
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 79-94 (35.7 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 158-187 (71.4 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Beheeyem @ Assault Vest
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 HP / 168 SpA / 88 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball/Future Sight
AV Beheeyem serves as a mime counter. The given spread lets you avoid a 3hko from Dgleam most of the time and you 2hko it back with Shadow Ball and even Tbolt. This also switches nicely on trick because its essentially the same result as they are giving you a choice specs.
168+ SpA Analytic Beheeyem Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Filter Mr. Mime: 145-172 (65.6 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
168+ SpA Analytic Beheeyem Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mr. Mime: 109-129 (49.3 - 58.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Assault Vest Beheeyem: 103-123 (29 - 34.7%) -- 7.1% chance to 3HKO
168+ SpA Analytic Beheeyem Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mr. Mime: 109-129 (49.3 - 58.3%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Assault Vest Beheeyem: 103-123 (29 - 34.7%) -- 7.1% chance to 3HKO
Edit: Maybe you can put this as check instead as they are lacking some idk. Either way its fine.
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1. Take a specs Focus Blast as you switch in
2. Take a second specs Focus Blast on the turn you attack
3. Have a nearly 1 in 20 chance to OHKO back with your STAB
4. Take a third specs Focus Blast and die.
This is not a counter. Change the EVs around. You'll need at least 226 Attack before you get a guaranteed OHKO on Mime.
Vespiquen (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Attack Order
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog
Vespiquen is not 2hitko'd and can 2hitko back with Attack Order
0 Atk Vespiquen Attack Order vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 115-136 (52 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Vespiquen: 130-154 (37.9 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Mystical Fire vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Vespiquen: 146-172 (42.5 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
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um...you do have a faint chance of losing if the opponent pulls out two high rolls. Besides, considering the job of vespiquen and the effectiveness chart of bug types, is double bug attack vespiquen even good...? Like that set just threw out tspikes, aromatherapy and air slash for another bug move.... I man its just an unreliable tech even when the set is not so appreciable...
Vespiquen (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Attack Order
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog
Vespiquen is not 2hitko'd and can 2hitko back with Attack Order
0 Atk Vespiquen Attack Order vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 115-136 (52 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Vespiquen: 130-154 (37.9 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Mystical Fire vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Vespiquen: 146-172 (42.5 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
:(
I think a 99.6% change to live is good enough for me and who even runs Mystical Fire anyway.
did u forget the point of two bug moves..? and that too by sacrificing its imp moves...? at this point you might as well use sash flail magikarp tbh lol (I know sash is ban, but you get the idea what I am trying to say right..?) furthermore 0.4% chance is by no means equal to 0% chance isn't it...?