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Counter: Mega Manectric
Counter: Mega Manectric
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Week 90: Band Hoopa-U
Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Band
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Hyperspace Fury
- Gunk Shot
- Drain Punch
- Fire Punch / Zen Headbutt
Checks: Hydreigon (Albacore) | Hoopa-U (looiiyut) | Mega Manectric (KidMagic)
Counters: Celebi (Recreant) | Gastrodon (SwedishBiscuit) | Serperior (Erai14)
Counters: Celebi (Recreant) | Gastrodon (SwedishBiscuit) | Serperior (Erai14)
Week 90: Band Hoopa-U
Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Band
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Hyperspace Fury
- Gunk Shot
- Drain Punch
- Fire Punch / Zen Headbutt
Name: Cobalion
Status: Check (Does thing thing even has counters lol)
Cobalion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Cobalion takes relatively little from Hyperspace Fury, gets an attack boost from the attack and can OHKO back with Close Combat. It can also get in on Gunk Shot and can survive a Fire Punch or Drain Punch in an emergency although this is not recommended. Sadly, without a Life Orb or Justified boost, Cobalion cannot guarantee a OHKO on a full-health Hoopa-U with Close Combat even with Stealth Rock up (only 25% chance and Drain Punch eliminates that) .
Status: Check (Does thing thing even has counters lol)
Cobalion @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Cobalion takes relatively little from Hyperspace Fury, gets an attack boost from the attack and can OHKO back with Close Combat. It can also get in on Gunk Shot and can survive a Fire Punch or Drain Punch in an emergency although this is not recommended. Sadly, without a Life Orb or Justified boost, Cobalion cannot guarantee a OHKO on a full-health Hoopa-U with Close Combat even with Stealth Rock up (only 25% chance and Drain Punch eliminates that) .
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 114-135 (35.1 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 230-272 (70.9 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 231-273 (76.7 - 90.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 230-272 (70.9 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Cobalion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 231-273 (76.7 - 90.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Tyranitar @ Choice Band
adamant nature
252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 4 Spe
Pursuit
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Superpower
Entering full bulk Banded TTar as a CHECK.
Have hoopa locked into any move not named Drain Punch, switch TTar in, and OHKO him with a pursuit on the way out the door. Bonus points if you have him locked into Zen Headbutt.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 131-155 (32.4 - 38.3%) -- 98.3% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 105-124 (25.9 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
TTar can stomach it and still have plenty of health left should he be needed later in the battle.
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Hoopa Unbound: 370-436 (122.9 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Hard Check
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 108 SpD / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Taunt / Toxic
- Defog
Although Mandibuzz isn't exactly the most common Pokemon in OU, it is one of the more reliable switch-ins to most of Hoopa-U's sets. It resists Hyperspace Fury, Drain Punch does little damage and it is immune to Zen Headbutt. The only thing it has to watch out for is being hit with Gunk Shot on the switch in, which is able to 2HKO after Stealth Rock damage providing it doesn't miss. Foul Play OHKOs Hoopa-U from pretty much full health.
Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 108 SpD / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Foul Play
- Roost
- Taunt / Toxic
- Defog
Although Mandibuzz isn't exactly the most common Pokemon in OU, it is one of the more reliable switch-ins to most of Hoopa-U's sets. It resists Hyperspace Fury, Drain Punch does little damage and it is immune to Zen Headbutt. The only thing it has to watch out for is being hit with Gunk Shot on the switch in, which is able to 2HKO after Stealth Rock damage providing it doesn't miss. Foul Play OHKOs Hoopa-U from pretty much full health.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 110-129 (26 - 30.4%) -- 13.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 110-130 (26 - 30.7%) -- 17.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 175-207 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 110-130 (26 - 30.7%) -- 17.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mandibuzz: 175-207 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 274-324 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
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Landorus-T as a Check
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jollly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off / Superpower / Explosion
- U-turn
Due to Lando-T's Intimidate, Hoopa-U's damage output considerably decreases. For example, Hyperspace Fury becomes a 2HKO while Gunk Shot and Drain Punch (both resisted hits) deal pitiful damage to Lando-T. In return, Lando-T easily outspeeds Hoopa-U and OHKOes it with U-turn. Another Lando-T variant (below) can also work if you need a SRer:
Landorus-Therian @ Soft Sand
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Knock Off
- U-turn
While this variant prefers having an Adamant nature to break through fat mons like Chansey, Ferrothorn and M-Venu, a Jolly nature is needed to outspeed Hoopa-U before OHKOing it with U-turn.
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jollly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off / Superpower / Explosion
- U-turn
Due to Lando-T's Intimidate, Hoopa-U's damage output considerably decreases. For example, Hyperspace Fury becomes a 2HKO while Gunk Shot and Drain Punch (both resisted hits) deal pitiful damage to Lando-T. In return, Lando-T easily outspeeds Hoopa-U and OHKOes it with U-turn. Another Lando-T variant (below) can also work if you need a SRer:
Landorus-Therian @ Soft Sand
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Knock Off
- U-turn
While this variant prefers having an Adamant nature to break through fat mons like Chansey, Ferrothorn and M-Venu, a Jolly nature is needed to outspeed Hoopa-U before OHKOing it with U-turn.
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 52-61 (16.3 - 19.1%) -- possible 6HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 83-98 (26 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 104-123 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- 98.9% chance to 3HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 166-196 (52 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 207-244 (64.8 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 500-592 (166.1 - 196.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 83-98 (26 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 104-123 (32.6 - 38.5%) -- 98.9% chance to 3HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 166-196 (52 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 207-244 (64.8 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 500-592 (166.1 - 196.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpD
Careful Nature
- Play Rough
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave
- Fairy Lock
Check
Banded Hoopa is one of the most ridiculous Pokemon to switch into, to the point that Klefki, despite resisting Hyperspace Fury, is actually 2HKOed when running the standard spread. Luckily for me, I like running a little mixed bulk on Klefki for this specific situation, as Klefki with the above spread can always dodge the 2HKO from Hyperspace Fury while only having a tiny chance to be 2HKOed by Drain Punch. Switching into Fire Punch kills Klefki, however. Klefki's Play Rough has a 50% chance to OHKO, meaning that even if Hoopa does take the hit, it won't be able to come in on Stealth Rocks again and you could probably knock it out with Rapid Spin at that point, so any faster Pokemon can shut it down after that. Fairy Lock is also helpful in this situation. If Klefki has taken too much damage to stomach two Hyperspace Furies, you can trap Hoopa with Fairy Lock before Klefki goes down, allowing a faster Pokemon to take it down for good.
0 Atk Klefki Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 242-288 (80.3 - 95.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 134-158 (42.1 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 135-159 (42.4 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 270-318 (84.9 - 100%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 134-158 (42.1 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 135-159 (42.4 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Klefki: 270-318 (84.9 - 100%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 192 HP/172 Def/96 Spe/ 48 SpA
Jolly Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Heat wave
-U-Turn
-Roost
Hoopa-U cannot OHKO this set when it switches in [EDIT: it can if SR are up making Zapdos only a check] without a crit (Hyperspace Fury does 73.4-86.4%) and Zapdos can out-speed it just barely with its 96 Speed EV's for the next turn. U-turn has a 56.3% chance to OHKO. This presents a big dilemma for Hoopa-U forcing it to switch out, or risk getting OHKO'd and then, on the off chance it survives, allowing the opponent to get a new pokemon of his/her choice in. Leftovers and Roost also allow for Zapdos to sustain itself fairly well.
This Zapdos set also takes care of common threats such as Keldeo, Azumarill, and Ferrothorn.
Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 192 HP/172 Def/96 Spe/ 48 SpA
Jolly Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Heat wave
-U-Turn
-Roost
This Zapdos set also takes care of common threats such as Keldeo, Azumarill, and Ferrothorn.
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I don't think that this is a bad set, but I don't know if it would be a "Counter" to CB Hoopa-U. It is a decent check to Hoopa-U, but it still takes about 75% coming in. Provided you do U-turn, you're left with a Zapdos at around 25% health, which can usually be KOed by most relevant offensive threats in one turn. This isn't even counting stealth rock, which could cause a potential OHKO from Hoopa-U as it comes in- Not a good sign. In fact, it's actually a 87.5% chance of OHKOing with Hyperspace Fury after rocks, so this definately isn't really a counter. I mean no disrespect, and this might count as a check to Hoopa-U, but it's not really a counter, especially not with rocks on the field. Thanks!
Drapion As a Check
Drapion @ Black Sludge
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Taunt
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 96-114 (27.9 - 33.2%) -- 88.9% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 97-115 (28.2 - 33.5%) -- 95.4% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 77-91 (22.4 - 26.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0 Atk Drapion Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 144-171 (47.8 - 56.8%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO
No Crits,no Z-Headbutt flinch,just Knock Off regardless of whether Hoopa-U will switch out or you can lay Toxic Spikes instead.
Drapion doesn't own a reliable HP restore,so it can't be a Hard-Counter.And a special offensive Hoopa-U hits hard on a Physical Defensive Drapion.
EDIT:Since there is a real counter mentioned below,I'd edit mine into a Check.
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Pangoro As a check
Pangoro @ Choice Band
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Punch/Parting Shot
252+ Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Pangoro: 96-113 (28.9 - 34%) -- 2% chance to 3HKO
Well,I added it cause it is really a interesting Pokemon,with a rare move Parting Shot,which act as U-Turn while can create momentum for a boost-up Pokemon.
It can takes Hyperspace Fury and Zen Headbutt,while Drain Punch and Gunk Shot are guarenteed OHKO.But a successful switch-in for a panda can really be a threat,for its double STABs are both effective wallbreaking Types,and a Parting Shot can act as both space creating and scout.
Pangoro's biggest shortage is its poor speed,and has only 4 resistances,which makes it hard to switch-in.IMO VoltTurn teammates may help.
I'd like to introduce it to you by this opportunity,and I'm trying to build a cool team around the panda.
Thank you.
Drapion @ Black Sludge
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Taunt
- Toxic Spikes
- Whirlwind
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 96-114 (27.9 - 33.2%) -- 88.9% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 97-115 (28.2 - 33.5%) -- 95.4% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Drapion: 77-91 (22.4 - 26.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0 Atk Drapion Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 144-171 (47.8 - 56.8%) -- 88.3% chance to 2HKO
No Crits,no Z-Headbutt flinch,just Knock Off regardless of whether Hoopa-U will switch out or you can lay Toxic Spikes instead.
Drapion doesn't own a reliable HP restore,so it can't be a Hard-Counter.And a special offensive Hoopa-U hits hard on a Physical Defensive Drapion.
EDIT:Since there is a real counter mentioned below,I'd edit mine into a Check.
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Pangoro As a check
Pangoro @ Choice Band
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Superpower
- Knock Off
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Punch/Parting Shot
252+ Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Pangoro: 96-113 (28.9 - 34%) -- 2% chance to 3HKO
Well,I added it cause it is really a interesting Pokemon,with a rare move Parting Shot,which act as U-Turn while can create momentum for a boost-up Pokemon.
It can takes Hyperspace Fury and Zen Headbutt,while Drain Punch and Gunk Shot are guarenteed OHKO.But a successful switch-in for a panda can really be a threat,for its double STABs are both effective wallbreaking Types,and a Parting Shot can act as both space creating and scout.
Pangoro's biggest shortage is its poor speed,and has only 4 resistances,which makes it hard to switch-in.IMO VoltTurn teammates may help.
I'd like to introduce it to you by this opportunity,and I'm trying to build a cool team around the panda.
Thank you.
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Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
Keldeo can switch in on any attack except Zen Headbutt, outspeed the next turn, and KO with Secret Sword.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 156-183 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 249-293 (77 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 313-369 (103.9 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
Keldeo can switch in on any attack except Zen Headbutt, outspeed the next turn, and KO with Secret Sword.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 156-183 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 249-293 (77 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 313-369 (103.9 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Guys... I found the Hoopa counter.
Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Avalanche
- Earthquake / Curse / Roar
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
The G.O.A.T. No, not Michael Jordan. Avalugg. Avalugg makes Hoopa look like a complete joke.
Hoopa-U: I'm packin' this CB, reveal ur switchin skrub
Avalugg: k.. lol
Avalugg simply chews up Hoopa's pathetic excuse for an attack, and recovers off the damage.
Avalanche has a small chance to KO after Stealth Rock, which is guaranteed once Hoopa has dropped its defense with Hyperspace.
Curse is slashed over EQ in case you really want to laugh in Hoopa's face. After 1 curse, literally nothing does damage to you. Mega-Lopunny's HJK doesn't even 2HKO a +1 Avalugg.
Avalugg truly is jesus.
Avalugg @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Avalanche
- Earthquake / Curse / Roar
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
The G.O.A.T. No, not Michael Jordan. Avalugg. Avalugg makes Hoopa look like a complete joke.
Hoopa-U: I'm packin' this CB, reveal ur switchin skrub
Avalugg: k.. lol
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 132-156 (33.5 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 134-158 (34 - 40.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 134-158 (34 - 40.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Avalanche has a small chance to KO after Stealth Rock, which is guaranteed once Hoopa has dropped its defense with Hyperspace.
Curse is slashed over EQ in case you really want to laugh in Hoopa's face. After 1 curse, literally nothing does damage to you. Mega-Lopunny's HJK doesn't even 2HKO a +1 Avalugg.
Avalugg truly is jesus.
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Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Fire Punch
- Earthquake
If Multiscale is intact, Dragonite can come in on any of Hoopa's moves and OHKO with Outrage (or anything after Hyperspace Fury's defense drop).
However, because Hoopa is faster, Dragonite has to rely on ExtremeSpeed if it switches in on anything other than Drain Punch or Fire Punch.
Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Fire Punch
- Earthquake
If Multiscale is intact, Dragonite can come in on any of Hoopa's moves and OHKO with Outrage (or anything after Hyperspace Fury's defense drop).
However, because Hoopa is faster, Dragonite has to rely on ExtremeSpeed if it switches in on anything other than Drain Punch or Fire Punch.
Offensive:
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 499-588 (165.7 - 195.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 222-262 (73.7 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 333-392 (110.6 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 208-245 (69.1 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Fire Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 311-367 (103.3 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 277-327 (92 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Defensive:
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 499-588 (165.7 - 195.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 222-262 (73.7 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 333-392 (110.6 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 208-245 (69.1 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Fire Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 311-367 (103.3 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 277-327 (92 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Defensive:
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 148-175 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 52.3% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 119-140 (36.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 37-44 (11.4 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 118-140 (36.5 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 37-44 (11.4 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 119-140 (36.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 37-44 (11.4 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 118-140 (36.5 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 37-44 (11.4 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 297-351 (91.9 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 238-280 (73.6 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 74-88 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- 55.6% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 74-88 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- 55.6% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 237-280 (73.3 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 238-280 (73.6 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 74-88 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- 55.6% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 74-88 (22.9 - 27.2%) -- 55.6% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 237-280 (73.3 - 86.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Infernal
Banned deucer.
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge
I'd say this is a counter, especially since Trick isn't slashed. With max defense, Hyperspace Fury is only a 3HKO on Hippo, doing 43.8 - 51.6%. Every other move does pretty much nothing. You can switch in and heal back the damage with Slack Off, making Hippo a rather sound answer to this monster. Aside from taking Hyperspace Fury well, Hippo can retaliate back with EQ, which is a guaranteed KO on -1 Hoopa-U after SR damage. All in all, max defense Hippo's ability to switch in and win 1v1 is something very few Pokemon can claim, and is a very viable choice overall. Even with the lack of special defense from standard mix wall variants, Hippo can still check electrics like Mega Manectric decently. Max defense also means you can handle several physical threats much more reliably, including Charizard-X, Bisharp, Excadrill, and Mega Pinsir.
There's also this...
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Check
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Steel Wing / Tailwind
While Talonflame can't switch in easily, if it does switch in (usually on either a Drain Punch or a Fire Punch), it can outspeed and revenge kill Hoopa with any of its moves outside of Steel Wing or Tailwind.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 556-656 (184.7 - 217.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 355-418 (117.9 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 355-418 (117.9 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
also this thing has almost no counters lmao
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Steel Wing / Tailwind
While Talonflame can't switch in easily, if it does switch in (usually on either a Drain Punch or a Fire Punch), it can outspeed and revenge kill Hoopa with any of its moves outside of Steel Wing or Tailwind.
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 556-656 (184.7 - 217.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 355-418 (117.9 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 355-418 (117.9 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
also this thing has almost no counters lmao
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Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Foul Play
- Will-o-Wisp
- Recover
Role: Hard Check
Mega Sableye can do some nice damage to Hoopa-U with Foul Play, which is an OHKO after Stealth Rock (or a use of Hyperspace Fury) and a coinflip to do so without it. Knock Off is also useful to nerf the big genie's damage output. You can also use priority Will-o-Wisp, which can be used on the turn Sableye Mega Evolves to effectively cripple it for the rest of the game, barring a miss or cleric support. It does take a hefty chunk of damage from Hyperspace Fury, especially if it hasn't Mega Evolved yet, but is immune to Zen Headbutt and Drain Punch, and can take its other coverage moves.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 177-208 (58.2 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 89-105 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 4.8% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 70-83 (23 - 27.3%) -- 64.7% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 247-292 (81.2 - 96%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (this is non-mega Sableye, by the way)
0 Atk Mega Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 274-324 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 89-105 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 4.8% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 70-83 (23 - 27.3%) -- 64.7% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 247-292 (81.2 - 96%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (this is non-mega Sableye, by the way)
0 Atk Mega Sableye Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 274-324 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
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Terrakion as a CHECK (I don't think there is a real counter to Band Hoopa-U bar full Def Hippowdon/MSab tho)
Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish / Substitute
Although Terrakion is Underused in OU (much pun), he's very effective at checking Hoopa-U. His typing, coupled with Justified, allows him to switch in Hyperspace Hole and Gunk Shot, even if Drain Punch/ZHeadbutt OHKO him, forcing Hoopa-U to switch.
He can also setup a Swords Dance or a Rock Polish while Hoopa-U is switching, and attempt to sweep with it.
There's not much to explain, as this set is pretty straight-forward.
Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish / Substitute
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Terrakion: 156-183 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Terrakion: 124-146 (38.3 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 383-452 (127.2 - 150.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 320-378 (106.3 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Terrakion: 124-146 (38.3 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 383-452 (127.2 - 150.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 320-378 (106.3 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Although Terrakion is Underused in OU (much pun), he's very effective at checking Hoopa-U. His typing, coupled with Justified, allows him to switch in Hyperspace Hole and Gunk Shot, even if Drain Punch/ZHeadbutt OHKO him, forcing Hoopa-U to switch.
He can also setup a Swords Dance or a Rock Polish while Hoopa-U is switching, and attempt to sweep with it.
There's not much to explain, as this set is pretty straight-forward.
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aggron mega as the counter
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Def / 224 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake/Avalanche
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
aggron doest need to invest in full defense to eat up hoopa-u's attacks :O, has recovery and is able to eat up all of hoopa's attacks with ease w/o investment. (more viable than avalugg)
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Def / 224 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake/Avalanche
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
aggron doest need to invest in full defense to eat up hoopa-u's attacks :O, has recovery and is able to eat up all of hoopa's attacks with ease w/o investment. (more viable than avalugg)
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Mega Aggron: 123-145 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 93-109 (27 - 31.6%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Avalanche vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 261-308 (86.7 - 102.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 218-257 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 175-206 (58.1 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 146-172 (48.5 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 93-109 (27 - 31.6%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 93-109 (27 - 31.6%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Avalanche vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 261-308 (86.7 - 102.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 218-257 (72.4 - 85.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 175-206 (58.1 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Aggron Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 146-172 (48.5 - 57.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Filter Mega Aggron: 93-109 (27 - 31.6%) -- 0.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Thatwackycruton Thanks! I forgot to factor in rocks >.<
my thought process was that if Hoopa-U switched then Zapdos would add offensive momentum
but you are also correct that a 25% Zapdos can be KO'd with ease and if Hoopa-U switches becomes only a weak check
I will change this to a check.
my thought process was that if Hoopa-U switched then Zapdos would add offensive momentum
but you are also correct that a 25% Zapdos can be KO'd with ease and if Hoopa-U switches becomes only a weak check
I will change this to a check.
Are you looking for a Hoopa-U counter? A Mega Pokemon? A devestating Sweeper? Yes we're talking to you gamer boy
Look no further!
Lol Hoopa-U (Steelix) @ Steelixite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Curse
- Earthquake / Gyro Ball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Seriously, this thing can take any hit from Hoopa-U with ease and use it as Setup Fodder. It's so bulky Steelix ain't gotta worry bout investing in Defense to even attempt to cockblock it. It already looks badass as it is, but being able to stop Hoopa-U is the peak of badassery.
Look no further!
Lol Hoopa-U (Steelix) @ Steelixite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Curse
- Earthquake / Gyro Ball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Seriously, this thing can take any hit from Hoopa-U with ease and use it as Setup Fodder. It's so bulky Steelix ain't gotta worry bout investing in Defense to even attempt to cockblock it. It already looks badass as it is, but being able to stop Hoopa-U is the peak of badassery.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 54-65 (15.2 - 18.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 136-162 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
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Hard check
Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
Ok this is a 100% check since it always goes in, intimidates always kills, and could also pursuit at 4/5s of the attacks for massive damage. Worst case scenario is drain punch, which happens 1/5 of the time (if we consider all the options, being gunkshot dpunch hprspacefury firepunch and zenheadbutt)
So, positive points are that Krook is good at Knockoffing walls all around, pursuit trap lati's after they killed something. And can check a little variety of stuff.
Main bonus tho is that Hoopa U will always be killed if rocks are up and if he failed the prediction with Drainpunch, just because it has got pursuit: so if anybody needs an offensive mon whose purpose is just to switch into hoopa, and debilitate it, this one works just fine.
[Since krook outspeeds by a chunk hoopa there is not a particular reason for me to run max speed. But i do it anyway, a bit more defense wouldn't hurt though]
Proofs:
Defensive
Gunk shot and Zen headbutt are obsolete ,
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 230-272 (69.2 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 114-135 (34.3 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Fire punch does the same as this last one
Offensive
If attack received is drainpunch, it's better off to go for the kill (although, as i said earlier, pursuit is overall the best option)
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 333-393 (110.6 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If attack is anything else, then...
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 138-163 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO
Expecially if attack is hyperspace fury then.. dead hoopa 100% if it switches
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Pursuit vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 207-244 (68.7 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Extra: (Also because Drainpunch opens fieldtime to boosters in your team to come in, so after you get dpunched switching in, it's probably anyway nice to pursuit trap hoopa since it will get almost killed or, if rocks are up, totally killed by switchin out, and it'll hardly stay in since by that time you would boost up with a ddancer or somethin, which usually is not such an ideal situation for the opponent to be in)
Il coccodrillo come fa? Papapapapaaapaaa
Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
Ok this is a 100% check since it always goes in, intimidates always kills, and could also pursuit at 4/5s of the attacks for massive damage. Worst case scenario is drain punch, which happens 1/5 of the time (if we consider all the options, being gunkshot dpunch hprspacefury firepunch and zenheadbutt)
So, positive points are that Krook is good at Knockoffing walls all around, pursuit trap lati's after they killed something. And can check a little variety of stuff.
Main bonus tho is that Hoopa U will always be killed if rocks are up and if he failed the prediction with Drainpunch, just because it has got pursuit: so if anybody needs an offensive mon whose purpose is just to switch into hoopa, and debilitate it, this one works just fine.
[Since krook outspeeds by a chunk hoopa there is not a particular reason for me to run max speed. But i do it anyway, a bit more defense wouldn't hurt though]
Proofs:
Defensive
Gunk shot and Zen headbutt are obsolete ,
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 230-272 (69.2 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 114-135 (34.3 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Fire punch does the same as this last one
Offensive
If attack received is drainpunch, it's better off to go for the kill (although, as i said earlier, pursuit is overall the best option)
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 333-393 (110.6 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If attack is anything else, then...
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 138-163 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO
Expecially if attack is hyperspace fury then.. dead hoopa 100% if it switches
252 Atk Choice Band Krookodile Pursuit vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 207-244 (68.7 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Extra: (Also because Drainpunch opens fieldtime to boosters in your team to come in, so after you get dpunched switching in, it's probably anyway nice to pursuit trap hoopa since it will get almost killed or, if rocks are up, totally killed by switchin out, and it'll hardly stay in since by that time you would boost up with a ddancer or somethin, which usually is not such an ideal situation for the opponent to be in)
Il coccodrillo come fa? Papapapapaaapaaa
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p2
Banned deucer.
alright time to share my innovation
Support Mega TTar as a check
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 64 SpA / 40 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Pursuit
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge
this things a monster because of how bulky it is, and is capable of repeatedly switching into any of Hoopa's moves apart from Drain Punch and Pursuiting which does a lot factoring in Rocks + Sand.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Mega Tyranitar: 82-97 (20.2 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 252-297 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 102-120 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 204-240 (68% - 80%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
Support Mega TTar as a check
Tyranitar-Mega @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP / 156 Def / 64 SpA / 40 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Pursuit
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge
this things a monster because of how bulky it is, and is capable of repeatedly switching into any of Hoopa's moves apart from Drain Punch and Pursuiting which does a lot factoring in Rocks + Sand.
252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Mega Tyranitar: 82-97 (20.2 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 252-297 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 102-120 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
0 Atk Mega Tyranitar Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 204-240 (68% - 80%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and sandstorm damage
Arcanine as hard check
Arcanine @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 116 Def / 144 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
Arcanine can switch into every Hoopa's moves and burn it or ohko back after an Hyperspace fury.
The evs spread allows to outspeed max speed neutral base 95 pokemons such as gliscor, kyurem-B but also tankchomp, jolly M-Gyarados, Lando-t, M-Altaria.
Sand or rock are problems and it's the reason why Arcanine isn't a counter.
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Arcanine: 201-237 (52.4 - 61.8%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Arcanine: 160-189 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 211-250 (70 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 318-375 (105.6 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Arcanine @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 116 Def / 144 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Extreme Speed
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
Arcanine can switch into every Hoopa's moves and burn it or ohko back after an Hyperspace fury.
The evs spread allows to outspeed max speed neutral base 95 pokemons such as gliscor, kyurem-B but also tankchomp, jolly M-Gyarados, Lando-t, M-Altaria.
Sand or rock are problems and it's the reason why Arcanine isn't a counter.
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Arcanine: 201-237 (52.4 - 61.8%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Hoopa Unbound Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Arcanine: 160-189 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 211-250 (70 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa Unbound: 318-375 (105.6 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Voting: Week 90: Choice Band Hoopa-Unbound
Thanks for all the noms guys!! :)
Checks:
Cobalion (Random Passerby)
Band Tyranitar (teamjohto)
Mandibuzz (Recreant)
Landorus-T (gnralLao)
Klefki (Tressed)
Zapdos (stealthfox2)
Drapion (Shuple)
Pangoro (Shuple)
Keldeo (froggyboy)
Dragonite (InvisibleWater)
Talonflame (Viridi)
Mega Sableye (michaeloche)
Terrakion (Reigako)
Krookodile (Celio)
Support Mega Tyranitar (fleggumfl)
Arcanine (looiiyut)
Counters:
Avalugg (NotFalse)
Hippowdon (Infernal)
Mega Aggron (Mistaken)
Mega Steelix (KidMagic)
You can vote for two checks and one counter. Make sure to label them correctly and not to vote for yourself.
Thanks for all the noms guys!! :)
Checks:
Cobalion (Random Passerby)
Band Tyranitar (teamjohto)
Mandibuzz (Recreant)
Landorus-T (gnralLao)
Klefki (Tressed)
Zapdos (stealthfox2)
Drapion (Shuple)
Pangoro (Shuple)
Keldeo (froggyboy)
Dragonite (InvisibleWater)
Talonflame (Viridi)
Mega Sableye (michaeloche)
Terrakion (Reigako)
Krookodile (Celio)
Support Mega Tyranitar (fleggumfl)
Arcanine (looiiyut)
Counters:
Avalugg (NotFalse)
Hippowdon (Infernal)
Mega Aggron (Mistaken)
Mega Steelix (KidMagic)
You can vote for two checks and one counter. Make sure to label them correctly and not to vote for yourself.
Checks:
Mandibuzz
Klefki
Counter:
Mega Aggron
Mandibuzz
Klefki
Counter:
Mega Aggron