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What aren't we writing about? (Pokemon unfit for OU Analyses)

Ice typing is kinda bad. Parasect has the benefit of rain cutting its x4 weakness. Add in that it resists a few of the common priorities like mach and whatnot. Spore too, yeah.
 
If jynx uses destiny bond, it'll come second iirc. If the opponet isn scarfed, they can just stall a turn and priority you before you reactivate it.
 
When does parasect honestly attempt to boost while on a drizzle team? Isn't it used to stall? Politoed has no way of boosting it's special attack while jynx can. While being used on a drizzle team Jynx's weakness to fire is also cut down to x1.
 
Actually 1.25 due to Dry Skin

Parasect can boost, but it has other things to do.

Jynx is too frail and slow to sweep effectively. Thundurus/Tornadus both have Nasty Plot and better stats everywhere except special defense (and I think their HP might make up for it). Sure, they don't have Dry Skin, but who cares? It's not like Jynx will be surviving hits anyways.
 
Wouldn't the Luna set have a sub already set up so that it could survive hits? Also, the dry skin recovery plus leftovers would allow her to recover most of the health she'd be losing from substitute.
 
Jynx dies no matter what it has set up. Luna is always relatively effective, but being entry hazard weak and hit hard by any physical priority move will not work in OU. Not to mention, her speed is only decent by this generation's standards, not good.


If Porygon-Z will ever be considered, then here is probably what the Choice set would look like anyways.

name: Choice
move 1: Tri Attack
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Fire
item: Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD

[The Ability] choice is yours, whether you want to always have a boosted Tri Attack or a possible boost in all moves. I believe Fighting may be the best type for Hidden Power (hits Tyranitar for quadruple damage and Ferrothorn for at least double). I didn't run any calcs however. Additional move options consist of Dark Pulse, Shadow Ball, Psychic, and even Thunder (utilizing permanent rain). Use during mid or late-game for the best chances of success. Get your prediction skills sharpened...
 
Aerodactyl Legend said:
Jynx dies no matter what it has set up. Luna is always relatively effective, but being entry hazard weak and hit hard by any physical priority move will not work in OU. Not to mention, her speed is only decent by this generations standard's, not good.


If Porygon-Z will ever be considered, then here is probably what the Choice set would look like anyways.

name: Choice
move 1: Tri Attack
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Fire
item: Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 SpD / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[The Ability] choice is yours, whether you want to always have a boosted Tri Attack or a possible boost in all moves. I believe Fighting may be the best type for Hidden Power (hits Tyranitar for quadruple damage and Ferrothorn for at least double). I didn't run any calcs however. Additional move options consist of Dark Pulse, Shadow Ball, Psychic, and even Thunder (utilizing permanent rain). Use during mid or late-game for the best chances of success. Get your prediction skills sharpened...
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Psyshock or Psychic also good options depending on what you're concerned about.
 
I think Porgygon-Z's main function is as a choiced wall breaker, not sweeper. With team preview, prediction, especially with such high-powered moves, is quite a bit easier than it used to be.
His main issue is that he needs more moves than he used to need. Bolt beam plus tri attack doesn't cut it anymore which means Z needs to run either hidden power fire/fighting to avoid being completely shut down by ferrothorn, or trick (perhaps the better choice) to fuck with the opposing team. Which incidentally also screws with ferrothorn.

He is oddly comparable to haxorus, in that he is somebody with over-the-top attack and mediocre everything else. He trades haxorus resistances for slightly better defenses and trick, and like haxorus has a hard time cutting it competitively as a sweeper. He definitely is deserving of an analysis because especially with trick (about a billion times more useful than non-stab psycho shock) he is pretty well guaranteed to not just ko but also cripple at least one pokemon for the rest of the match.

I'm not denying that Z has issues, but his problems are not entirely different from those facing any choiced attacker.
 
PandorasBox1 said:
Psyshock or Psychic also good options depending on what you're concerned about.
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If I recall correctly, Psyshock is about as strong against Blissey and as Tri Attack is.

And I don't really get why you guys are still discussing Porygon-Z. Understandably, most of the borderline Pokémon are having major problems with the new generation. If any of them suffered most, it's likely Porygon-Z with the introduction of Ferrothorn and Conkeldurr.

In fact, I'm pretty excited for him to be in UU, this generation. He's one of my favourites.

-Zane
 
Do either of those guys enjoy having a choice specs/scarf attached to them? In fact, I could see luring and tricking these to guys to be quite a niche for porygon z, because I could see both switchin in like fools onto Z. Besides few teams I have ever faced feature TWO fighting priority users.
Also, crippling either of the pokemon in question puts the many teams which rely on them into a pretty tricky switchuation
 
IMO P-Z should be bulky boosting, not Choiced. It has passable (but not terrible) bulk, Nasty Plot, Recover, and near-perfect two-move coverage (HP Ground and Tri Attack).

When choiced, P-Z's attacks are either too weak or too slow. Plus, choiced normal is inherently bad (yes there are less ghosts but nattorei will just laugh at it).
 
you know what, Z's only one goddam pokemon which nobody really uses anyway. However, he's one pokemon who's likely to blow the SHIT out of UU, and somebody's going to have to right that OU analysis for him. The threat of a UU status hasn't stopped the analysis of snorlax (who by the way also is known to have issues with ferrothorn and fighting types) and friends. It's whatever though, I mean it is all up to SDS anyway and bitching about doesn't really change his mind does it.

Anyway, I'm really posting again because the two dudes who posted after me missed this: "tricky switchuation"

What's that, I'm a genius? That's what I thought

(ps that'd be a pretty good name for the choiced sets whenever the OU analysis does get written)
 
Then that's one less guy to worry about thankfully.

Actually, I've just looked through both lists and I have to say that, with regards to unreleased abilities and undiscovered (effective) Evolite users, what is down there currently is pretty complete. The only thing I'm wondering a bit about is Exeggutor, but that's really it at this point.
 
yeah I think its when people are starting to argue about jynx that the people in charge can finally step back from all this and know that the system worked
 
Short and sweet: Audino has two things going for it. Regenerator + Trick Room is unique to it* and it is also the only Normal type to learn Trick Room and Healing Wish. The other advantages it has over Chansey/Blissey are dual screens, Encore and Yawn. Dual screens/Encore are done better by Clefable. Yawn Audino is simply not game breaking OU material.

However, Audino could foreseeably shine as a Trick Room setup Pokemon due to the aforementioned qualities it possesses. It can effectively set up Trick Room in two different ways. Firstly, Audino can switch in on an attack that 3HKOs it, Trick Room, then switch out to a slow sweeper, as Regenerator may allow it to secure more Trick Rooms later in the game. In more desperate times, Audino's rare combo of Healing Wish + Trick Room could turn a match. Consider this example of circumstances required for Audino to setup a sweep:

Bait a Shadow Ball, switch in Audino, set up Trick Room while surviving an attack off your bulk, use Healing Wish to fully recover/switch in your Trick Room sweeper, attempt a sweep.

Well, that's my case for Audino possibly being analysis worthy, if only for this set. Full set with shoe-in analysis below:

[SET]
name: Trick Room Support
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Healing Wish
move 3: Yawn/Toxic
move 4: Fire Blast/Yawn
item: Leftovers
ability: Regenerator
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP/144 Def/24 SpA/88 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

<p>This set encompasses Audino's only niche over other supportive Normal types. Trick Room + Healing Wish is unique to it, as is Trick Room + Regenerator. Audino's bulk + Regenerator allow it to setup Trick Room with relative ease. It should come in on either relatively weak attacks or Ghost type moves. In mid/late game, Audino can utilize Trick Room + Healing Wish to competely restore and bring a Trick Room sweeper of choice.</p>

<p>Audino's other two moves could be any combination of Yawn, Fire Blast and Toxic. Using the above EV spread, Fire Blast 2HKOs 4 HP Magnezone and Excadrill 100% of the time after Stealth Rock damage. Those Steel types were mentioned because they are the only Pokemon in the game who are immune to both Thunder Wave and Toxic (which the offensively inept Audino will be expected to carry). Assuming you Trick Room on the switch, Audino can actually solo Excadrill as it is not OHKO'd by even Choice Band Earthquake.</p>

<p>Yawn and Toxic (Thunder Wave is excluded because this is a Trick Room set) are Audino's options for inflicting status on enemies. Toxic and Fire Blast have strong synergy, but Yawn has a smaller distribution than Toxic and is much more likely to force switches which can aid in setting up Trick Room sweeps. Flamethrower is not a strong option over Fire Blast due to Audino's poor Special Attack; in order for Flamethrower to 2HKO Excadrill after Stealth Rock, Audino would require at least 212 Special Attack evs. Investing so many evs in Special Attack cripples Audino's bulk.</p>

Thanks for reading.

* Statement true until Dream World Slowbro, Slowking and Reuniclus are released.
 
Aerodactyl Legend said:
Actually, I've just looked through both lists and I have to say that, with regards to unreleased abilities and undiscovered (effective) Evolite users, what is down there currently is pretty complete. The only thing I'm wondering a bit about is Exeggutor, but that's really it at this point.
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I would also like to know what you have to think about Exeggutor, still, Seven Deadly Sins. Not to be hasty or anything; I'd just love to get a jump on that analysis, and like feedback on my ideas (that obviously need tuning) in my post, if Exeggutor is deemed viable.

-Zane

Edit: In response to Audino (lol), Cofagrigus, Dusclops, Dusknoir, and Uxie all get both Trick Room AND Memento (which is, in my experience, more useful and a lot less situational of a support/offensive momentum move than is Healing Wish). And both Reuniclus and Slowbro/Slowking can use Trick Room for their own benefit, unlike Audino. Oh, and, you're forgetting... Cresselia has both Healing Wish and Trick Room, along with being monumentally bulkier. Also, while debatable, its typing is better for this metagame with all these Fighting-types, as well. So Audino, regardless of that "niche" (already covered by Cresselia, who can actually take a hit unlike Audino, which makes its Regenerator less useful), is blatantly not cut for the job.
 
Hmm do you think swoobat could be viable? having the simple DW ability a decent speed and access to stored power could potentially make it one of the most abusive receivers for baton pass. (shell smash makes him go +4/-2/+4/-2/+4 making stored power hit for 260 STAB) Also he has x4 resists against vacuum wave and mach punch.

Edit: @ menshay 140 stab isn't 2 bad either especially combined with + 4 SpA
 
Menshay said:
Simple Swoobat isn't legitimately available yet. (Plus I don't think Stored Power counts Simple boosts.)
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Doesn't stuff like Stored Power and Punishment base themelves off of how many levels each stat has gone up? (with a negative impact on damage if the stats have gone down) Instead of how many times a stat-boosting move has been used?

Simple for example, will make Swords Dance give you +3 instead of +2. And if someone used Psych Up on you, they would copy that +3 boost.
 
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