What type of people do you NOT get along with?

[Iamslow]

Not to pile it on any further, but Jesus almost surely existed. And you really should have explained what you really meant behind your claim that he didn't exist if you wanted to be fully understood.

I'm not being an oh so angsty 16 year old atheist who goes on the Richard Dawkins forums when I say that I hate christianity. I hated it when I didn't even know what atheism was when I was scared about going to hell when my grandfather sat me on his lap and told me about what hell was like and how I'll probably go there because I wasn't baptised.

This is pretty much understandable.

 

[Fuzzberry]

What the hell are you on about? Blaziken does not have teeth inside it's beak.
I'm not justifying my atheism, merely saying that I hate Jesus.

Also, I wasn't just picking out typos. I find it funny that in the same sentence you were telling everyone how smart you apparently are you spelled a word wrong.

It's as funny as someone typing: I'm so smart, I'm so smart, S-A-M-R-T! SMART!

The teeth that you are insisting are there are not. I see no teeth on my Blaziken. And hating Jesus is going to send you to hell that much faster. =/ You can hate the religion, but please don't hate the man. He as a person did nothing worth hating.

Yeah, that was a typo. I can spell BANDWAGON. I type fast without proofreading. Typos happen.

And I wasn't telling everyone how "smart I apparently am." In hindsight, I'll go and delete my original comment here, because Akuchi does have a point.

And by the way, you still need trolling lessons.

To be less angry and a little more CIVILIZED, I can understand why you'd be afraid of going to hell. But not being baptized isn't going to send you to hell, that can be fixed later in life. However, hating Jesus definately will.

 

[akuchi]

Because societal pressure has nothing to do with it at all, right? It's all the fault of those stupid, stupid whores.
Christ almighty. I hate this world.

 

[klarth]

Wow.
Just wow.

Do you even read what you're responding to at all?

Yeah, that was a typo. I can spell BANDWAGON. I type fast without proofreading. Typos happen.

I know that you can spell BANDWAGON it's just ironic that you'd spell it wrong in the same sentence that you proclamed that you are intelligent in. I even provided you with an example of how this is funny. It's not even that big a deal.

And by the way, you still need trolling lessons.

I'm not trolling. Just because someone has a different opinion or an opinion that contradicts yours doesn't mean that they are trolling.

To be less angry and a little more CIVILIZED, I can understand why you'd be afraid of going to hell. But not being baptized isn't going to send you to hell, that can be fixed later in life. However, hating Jesus definately will.

I don't believe that you're the expert. What makes christianity more plausible than say; Judaisim, Islam or Mormonism? Absoloutely nothing. Whether hell exists, doesn't exist, is populated by sharks or not is irrelevant to our discussion. I'm simply saying that I have a hatred of christianity/christians because they sometimes use fear tactics and I was a victim of those tactics.

I think I've been clear and coherent so far, if you're going to keep labelling me a troll to save face when you're clearly losing the argument that's fine. Just keep stabbing in the dark with acusations. you might get lucky one day.

 

[Fuzzberry]

Enough already.

Recall you're the one who even started this fight by pointing out completely insignificant flaws in my post.

I really don't feel like wasting any more time arguing with someone on a video game forum. And I call you a troll because no matter where you go, you pick fights with people.

I understand why you'd hate the fear tactics; that's why Christians need to cool it. They're overzealous and self-righteous as a whole. But proclaiming it just to start a fight is uncalled for.

Note, I didn't go into a huge fight like this with Akuchi; hell, I even edited my post and apologized. That's because she at least doesn't try to start fights like you do. I think you might need to get a hobby, or just cool down.

But enough is enough. This is a waste of my time and your time.

 

[Lexite]

Urgh.



@Lexite
I'm not saying that a cult leader who was called Jesus didn't exist I'm saying that the mystical prophet figure who could multiply fish a thousandfold didn't.

Wow, you are just dense. Do some research, historians do not deny that Jesus, yes the fish multiplying one, existed. People deny that he did miracles, but no knowledgeable person denies that Jesus existed. So do us a favor and go back to school or pay attention in school or even just watch the history channel and stop trolling.

 

[jumpluff]

What klarth is saying that Jesus existed as a 'cult leader', but the miracles did not happen.

 

[Surgo]

Wow, you are just dense. Do some research, historians do not deny that Jesus, yes the fish multiplying one, existed.

Um, that's what he just said?

 

[klarth]

@Fuzzberry
This is not a huge fight, I don't care if you have a fight with Akuchi. The only fights that I've ever had on smogon have been with you Fuzzberry and now more recently Lexite both of whom are pretentious pseudo intellectuals.

Seriously I'm just going to quote myself here because you're so bent on winning this fight that I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I mean, we're both going to be making the same arguments since you can't read.

I know that you can spell BANDWAGON it's just ironic that you'd spell it wrong in the same sentence that you proclamed that you are intelligent in. I even provided you with an example of how this is funny. It's not even that big a deal.

I wasn't starting a fight merely pointing out something funny. I wouldn't care if you did the same to me nor would I call you a troll incessantly.

What klarth is saying that Jesus existed as a 'cult leader', but the miracles did not happen.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. SOMEONE ACTUALLY READ MY POST!!!
Thankyou Misaki-Chi for not being fucking retarded.


Hey Lexite..

@Lexite
I'm not saying that a cult leader who was called Jesus didn't exist I'm saying that the mystical prophet figure who could multiply fish a thousandfold didn't.

Wow, you are just dense. Do some research, historians do not deny that Jesus, yes the fish multiplying one, existed.

What? I'm dense because I don't believe that a man could multiply fish using magic. I'm sorry Lexite but I'm afraid that just because you might be a christian who believes in Jesus and all that jazz doesn't mean everyone else is.

It certainly doesn't mean that anyone who believes something that you don't is a troll or dense.

Fucking morons.

 

[Lexite]

Though not his fault (mainly because he didn't exist)

No, you said he did not exits, not just that he didn’t do the miracles but that he didn’t exits, chose some better words. "You said I'm not saying that a cult leader who was called Jesus didn't exist I'm saying that the mystical prophet figure who could multiply fish a thousand fold didn't." You are still referring to the same person in this sentence, so what you should do it say he did not do all those things, not say he did not exist.

 

[darkie]

You may think of them as one person, but in that sentence, klarth is saying that Jesus the human did exist, while Jesus the savior did not.

 

[Vineon]

there are rules against insulting other members.

let's follow them.

 

[Lexite]

He said,

Though not his fault (mainly because he didn't exist)

. Yes he said he did not exist, or are you going to argue the English language? "He didn't Exist". I think that is pretty clear that Klarth is saying that he did not exist. He said the whole person did not exist in that post, he is changing his answer now that we are pointing out that he is wrong.

He should say that he did not do the miracles, not that the person doing the miracles did not exist. Even if you do not believe that he did the miracles, saying that

the mystical prophet figure who could multiply fish a thousandfold

is still referring to the very same person and there for says that that person did not exist. He needs to say he did not do the miracles or that he was just a man, not say that the person doing the miracles did not exist.

 

[klarth]

@Lexite
I corrected what I said a few posts ago so that it would be more specific. If you're going to harp on about semantics that's cool but don't expect me or anyone else to take you seriously.

I didn't change anything because I was wrong but because I needed to be more specific which I did a few posts ago. It's clear to me that you obviously haven't read any of my replies since my original post.

God bless you.

 

[Lexite]

I have read your replies and you continued to say the same thing. You cant say the miracle making person didn't exist and still say the cult creating one did because both are referring to the same person. And you continued to say that. And yes you are wrong because the person, miracles or not, did exist and there is much historical proof for that.

 

[thetorsoboy]

I have read your replies and you continued to say the same thing. You cant say the miracle making person didn't exist and still say the cult creating one did because both are referring to the same person. And you continued to say that. And yes you are wrong because the person, miracles or not, did exist and there is much historical proof for that.

I disagree. Historical proof or not, people do have opinions. And opinions aren't really wrong.

 

[Lexite]

Yes opinions can be wrong!! Historians say yes he existed! If you say otherwise then yes your opinion is wrong. If you say 2+2=5 then yes your opinion is wrong!! Disagree or not, if history said he existed then he existed!

 

[thetorsoboy]

Well, the thing about opinions is really, according to the person who owns the opinion, it's never wrong.

Technically I never classify opinions as right or wrong, because they're what people think, and opinions don't change easily.

And, just because historians say he existed doesn't mean he does, although there is proof to back it up, of course. (But I believe he existed and all of that)

 

[klarth]

I have read your replies and you continued to say the same thing. You cant say the miracle making person didn't exist and still say the cult creating one did because both are referring to the same person. And you continued to say that. And yes you are wrong because the person, miracles or not, did exist and there is much historical proof for that.

But they're not. Many gospels in the new testament contradict eachother. Many gospels have been removed and many translations have errors. I'm pretty sure I also said something to this effect in one of my posts, just let me find it.

Here it is:

I wonder if you even know how much of the new testament was written way after he died? It's been translated, edited and whole gospels have been added and removed.

The fact of the matter is that many people had many different opinions, beliefs and contradictory evidence. Sure, there is evidence to support that a human named Jesus preached that he was the son of god but THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JESUS FED 40,000 PEOPLE WITH FISH OR THAT HE COULD TURN WATER INTO WINE OR THAT HE COULD RAPE SEVENTEEN NUNS WITH A MAGICAL PENIS THAT KNEW EXTREMESPEED.

The historical Jesus and the Jesus that could pull a rabbit out of a hat are not the same person. One is a real historical figure and the other is a made up story.

How many times do I have to beat this into your head!?

Yes opinions can be wrong!! Historians say yes he existed! If you say otherwise then yes your opinion is wrong. If you say 2+2=5 then yes your opinion is wrong!! Disagree or not, if history said he existed then he existed!

There is no evidence that Jesus could do magic tricks. If you say that magic exists then you are wrong and possibly insane.

 

[ivar]

Ummm... how come nobody has pointed how bullshit these historical sources pertaining to the existence of a Jesus are?

True, there have been several prophets by the name of Jesus during the era that Jesus was supposed to exist, but none of particular grandeur, none punished for heresy and none known to preach Christian (or Christian-like) doctrines.

In addition, the earliest recorded accounts (for which there are very few--you can literally count 'em on your fingers) pertaining to the existence of a Jesus (and I'm not just talking about miracle Jesus, but a regular, human, prophet Jesus) were written some decades (or maybe a century or so) after his death! No business about the guy while he lived, no records of a man crucified for being dubbed a false prophet of man, just second hand accounts by dudes who are sure that a Jesus existed. Very reliable.

I also think there might be some concerns with the name of Jesus in those sources--Jesus is assumed to be Christus (or something like that), but apparently that is not necessarily the case, so some of those sources may not even be referring to a Jesus! Obviously take this last paragraph with a grain of salt; I don't know the particulars, but as I can recall there are some definite issues with sources claiming, or "proving" the existence of a Jesus.

Unless somebody has got some damning evidence suggesting that Jesus existed (in any shape or form as a Christian prophet), then I'm gonna say nopers. But it should be easy to find since, apparently, according to lexite, it is quite obvious that a Jesus existed--so much so that it is an indubitable fact.

 

[AJers]

Hmm, I don't generally get along with people who are "know-it-alls" and will never take advice/direction from other people. I don't get along with people who are facinated with creating drama, ones who you can't talk to without watching what you're saying.

Lastly, I love to have my "me" time days (they are rare, but I value them!); generally, if someone is up my ass 24/7 for a few weeks, we'll usually have issues... but it's not necessarily because I don't like them, if that makes sense? <.< Anyways...

 

[Lexite]

Unless somebody has got some damning evidence suggesting that Jesus existed (in any shape or form as a Christian prophet), then I'm gonna say nopers. But it should be easy to find since, apparently, according to lexite, it is quite obvious that a Jesus existed--so much so that it is an indubitable fact.

Roman history said he existed! Unless you are going to say the Romans did not exist then there is proof for you. The Romans said he existed and Josephus said he existed. Both of those sources are non-Christian influenced also. And I am not arguing about the miracles, I am only taking about the fact that he physically existed.

 

[Surgo]

It should be noted for fairness that the main reference to Jesus by Josephus is a bit of a hotly debated thing, on which the extreme end is that it's a forgery.

 

[Lexite]

But the Romans also have records of him. Historians do not deny that he existed, as I have said.

 

[klarth]

This is painful. Lexite, can you cite your sources and include bibliographic links?

That whole "DON'T YOU THINK THE ROMANS EXISTED LOL" was a stupid fallacy and has no place in any serious discussion.

Here is a quote from: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus "the Christ." We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.