Who won E3?

[doomvendingmachine]

I really don't know the last time someone said "-insert- has no games" and wasn't totally full of shit. Saturn probably.

Thread derail incoming but the saturn was a cool system with a lot of cool games, with a special advantage to ports because it's 2D capabilities completely smoke the ps1's. The real issue with the saturn is that a ton of its best titles are Japan exclusive (in fact the saturn is sega's only real console success in Japan both the dreamcast and even the genesis failed to make a big splash at home.) Was it as good as the genesis or dreamcast, ehhh probably not. I do think it stands on its own shoes though as it has one of the best shmup and 2d fighter libraries ever (again, admittedly, quite of bit of which are Japanese exclusive.)

To get this thread a bit back on track ps4 trounced the Xbox One and past that it doesn't really matter. Nintendo has been running a separate side race for years now and have been since the descion to make the wii's key feature motion control and not graphics and power. The decision to include the unique wii u controllers continues this trend. Throw on top of this a console that's driven very strongly by first party exclusive titles and how Nintendo does compared to Sony and Microsoft matters little to me. They only have to measure vs themselves and there own standards. They only have a slight overlap with the rest of the console market at this point.

 

[vonFiedler]

hands down the best combat of any non-Tactics FF. Combat in XIII requires actualy strategy and for you to pay attention instead of just "pick strongest attack. Pound X. Forever." They finally made buffs and debuffs awesome.

Now that's a loooong fucking derailment you're asking for to come up with every legitimate complaint about FF13, but if you were playing "pick the best attack and pound X" you were playing every other Final Fantasy wrong, except 6 to be frank (suplex suplex suplex). It's amazing how you'd bring up working buffs and debuffs as proof for that, as buffs were absolutely integral to the far more challenging FF4, while FF10 was the first FF game to truly beat the "useful useless" trope. Hell the later half of FF10 had amazing bosses that required you to think way outside the box to beat, I never had that experience with FF13. Meanwhile FF7 poses a much more strategic experience with all the things you can do with the materia system, while the crystarium is a somehow even more linear version of the sphere grid.

What developers and maybe even players forget is that Final Fantasy rose to prominence by being fast and fun. All you ever do in FF13 is paradigm shift, and non-boss battles take an average of 2-3 minutes and then punishes you for being too slow (relative to your power level, which is also bullshit). That gets old fast. Though it could be very strategic and tactical, FF was it's best much more quick and visceral than its competitors. They understood this when they made Chrono Trigger. Why can't this carry even in their attempts to reinvent themselves? FF12 is a very nice game for all its monster hunting content, but it just doesn't have that quality, and it doesn't even really feel like an "Ivalice" game to me.


Now when I say I have (very slight) hope for FF15, it's because this is directed by Tetsuya Nomura and he has way more experience with the franchise than the last two directors. He's also fucking insane, so take that with a pinch of salt, but maybe he could shake things up. He also came up with the geass/druid concept behind FF13, the only plot element I liked, but then put all of his efforts into FF15. This suggests to me maybe an FF8/9 parallel, where they shipped out a halfassed game while working on a much better one the whole time. It's also composed by Yoko Shimomura of Kingdom Hearts (or if you're like me, more importantly, Street Fighter II) fame. In the vacuum left by Nobuou Uematsu and Junya Nakano, this is a very wise decision. Final Fantasy absolutely needs a good soundtrack and FF12-13 did little for me.

It ain't much. But I mean considering I'll be buying the game out of academic curiosity no matter what, I can dream right?

 

[Ulttimaa]

I voted for Sony, because of price and their policy on used games. HOWEVER, all people citing KH3 (and presumably FF15 as reasons to vote sony) here's something nice to look at:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-kingdom-hearts-iii-heading-to-xbox-one

the xbox one may be awful, sure, but holy shit it's about time the KH series has been making itself a little more available.
the series has flipflopped so much to so many handhelds and shit and people miss out because they don't want to buy an extra system just for the game. It's nice to see them returning to console and going multiplat, even if it is just for the xbone.

 

[vonFiedler]

Honestly, I'm eager to play KH3 just to see how little the story makes sense without playing the spinoffs.

Granted I played Chain of Memories and KH2's plot was still a hot mess.

 

[faint]

the xbox one may be awful, sure, but holy shit it's about time the KH series has been making itself a little more available.
the series has flipflopped so much to so many handhelds and shit and people miss out because they don't want to buy an extra system just for the game. It's nice to see them returning to console and going multiplat, even if it is just for the xbone.

My biggest problem with this though is that the Xbox has never had a Kingdom Hearts game before. I would at least hope SE ports the 2.5 HD Remix if that is planned for development, which I hope it is. Sure, games with no previous entries in a franchise have made it to platforms before, such as Mass Effect on the PS3, but I almost feel bothered that KH is coming to the Xbox One.

Unlike most of the people here, the only thing that turns me off about the Xbox One is the mandatory Kinect + price. Their cloud bs is also annoying since they clearly have no idea what they're doing with it. It's just PR talk for the most part to "combat" the PS4's higher specs, but the developers that are using it such as Turn 10 have some really weird ideas which relate back to the privacy problems with the mandatory Kinect nonsense.

 

[Shiruba]

i believe you can actually turn off the kinect unless it's necessary for a game you're playing

 

[faint]

i believe you can actually turn off the kinect unless it's necessary for a game you're playing

I'm not interested in turning it "off". I want to unplug it from the wall and still have my console work.

 

[Shiruba]

is there a difference aside from it being easier to move around and such?

not that i'm trying to defend microsoft any way i'm just genuinely curious.

 

[Stratos]

rightful paranoia, because companies (and governments!) have no respect for privacy these days

 

[Ulttimaa]

My biggest problem with this though is that the Xbox has never had a Kingdom Hearts game before. I would at least hope SE ports the 2.5 HD Remix if that is planned for development, which I hope it is. Sure, games with no previous entries in a franchise have made it to platforms before, such as Mass Effect on the PS3, but I almost feel bothered that KH is coming to the Xbox One.

boo hoo a system I don't like is getting a multiplat
who cares, it's happened before in the series anyways. chain of memories came to the GBA, 358/2 days was on DS, Coded was on fucking cellphones before it finally got ported to the DS, BBS was on PSP, and DDD was on 3DS.
there's no reason the xbone shouldn't be able to get a multiplat

 

[Shiruba]

true but this is the first time microsoft has gotten one, considering all of those except for psp are nintendo

not that it's a big deal it's just something to take note of

 

[TheFourthChaser]

boo hoo a system I don't like is getting a multiplat
who cares, it's happened before in the series anyways. chain of memories came to the GBA, 358/2 days was on DS, Coded was on fucking cellphones before it finally got ported to the DS, BBS was on PSP, and DDD was on 3DS.
there's no reason the xbone shouldn't be able to get a multiplat

I took something completely different from what Faint said. It isn't a matter of disliking a console, it's that KH has never appeared on a Microsoft device, a bigger factor now that youre on the seventh game in the series. While I don't want to defend putting all their games on separate consoles and all that unnecessary milking, I think Chain was acceptable because it was only the 2nd game and basically retold everything that happened in the first. For the most part, Square kept the bigger games on the PS2 and the others on the Nintendo handheld.

Unless I interpreted his point wrong, you also ignored that he wished for 2.5 HD to come to the console for the Xbox players to catch up.

 

[Shiruba]

honestly i think xbox is a poor market for kh to try to attack. most of the people who buy that will be buying it for games like cod and halo because those are what microsoft's exclusives look like [though cod isn't xbox exclusive to my knowledge but you get the idea]. i don't think many people are under the opinion that xbox is an especially family friendly console especially if you look at nintendo in comparison. from all the uproar it seems that it'll be mostly microsoft fans that continue to get microsoft consoles.

that and the unsuspecting casual public i guess though i still think that even they know that xbox = shooters nowadays

 

[faint]

I took something completely different from what Faint said. It isn't a matter of disliking a console, it's that KH has never appeared on a Microsoft device, a bigger factor now that youre on the seventh game in the series. While I don't want to defend putting all their games on separate consoles and all that unnecessary milking, I think Chain was acceptable because it was only the 2nd game and basically retold everything that happened in the first. For the most part, Square kept the bigger games on the PS2 and the others on the Nintendo handheld.

Unless I interpreted his point wrong, you also ignored that he wished for 2.5 HD to come to the console for the Xbox players to catch up.

You are correct. I didn't bother replying to him because I figured it would start an argument.

I should have clarified the second part of my post was not related to the KH part, but the thread as a whole.

 

[Marquis]

I'm not voting because I haven't looked into it closely, but from an outsider's perspective the Xbox One looks horrid with its requirements (especially that list on the official website wow, still surprised that most Asian and some Scandinavian countries aren't supported for it atm) and though I've always been mainly a Nintendo player, this might be the generation that I buy another Sony console. The PS4 and what I saw of its presentation looked and sounded very impressive. (lol it's all about the delivery to me)

 

[Firestorm]

@vonFiedler: I really don't understand the hate for FFXII and XIII. The only explanation is that everyone's favorite part of the old games was clicking X millions and millions of times. I could see maybe being turned off by XII's combat at first since it was such a huge shift but it seriously removed so much tedious and mindless X pushing. And XII had the best open world and the awesome bounty missions. XIII being as linear as it is is a huge and legitimate complaint but it has hands down the best combat of any non-Tactics FF. Combat in XIII requires actualy strategy and for you to pay attention instead of just "pick strongest attack. Pound X. Forever." They finally made buffs and debuffs awesome. You automatically heal after battles and there is no MP so the game doesn't become a tedious exercise of stockpiling items. And people complain about the removal of towns in XIII? Really? You enjoy pressing X on every nook and cranny looking for Phoenix Down?

Six was a bit better than seven which was better than eight but the non-MMO FFs have been steadily getting better imo.

I don't think we played the same Final Fantasy XIII.

Not stirring anything here, but an honest question: For those of you who voted Playstation, what games were shown at E3 this year that make you want to buy a PS4?

The newest Mario, Donkey Kong, and X changed my mind from waiting for Zelda U to buying it this Christmas. And then there are XY, Dream Team, and Sonic for my 3DS.

Or was it just the black console?

Those changed your mind? Aside from Donkey Kong, we already knew those games were coming. What about Mario 3D World or X blew your expectations away that made you want to purchase a WiiU? What about XY/DreamTeam/Sonic was shown that convinced you to purchase those games and why weren't you considering it before E3? I already knew I'd be getting a WiiU eventually and E3 hasn't really changed that. On the other hand, Sony used the conference to announce information I didn't have which convinced me to purchase a PlayStation 4 over an Xbox One (mostly pricing) as my primary console. Not an easy feat considering this generation I used a 360 as my primary console (superior controller, OS, and online experience) with probably 3x as many 360 games as PS3. Loved what Nintendo showed, but all had been officially announced for a long time.

 

[Reshiram89]

I voted for Sony since I prefer systems which don't require the internet to work and because the PS4 has a good selection of games and *drum roll* isn't region locked. While I like Nintendo obviously, the 3DS is good but for the most part neither the 3DS or the WiiU really utilise the system graphics -with the odd exception of Bowser levels in Mario the graphics are fairly poor.

 

[Every1XplodeNOW]

I voted for Sony since I prefer systems which don't require the internet to work and because the PS4 has a good selection of games and *drum roll* isn't region locked. While I like Nintendo obviously, the 3DS is good but for the most part neither the 3DS or the WiiU really utilise the system graphics -with the odd exception of Bowser levels in Mario the graphics are fairly poor.

Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Two Worlds will run at 60 fps while in 3D.
That article says it's the first, but I thought MK7 ran at 60fps, so I'm not sure. Though this a good sign that some later 3DS games are going to look amazing. For the Wii U, it's still early in it's life and it takes some time for the devs to use a systems full power. For example, go look at some of the early PS3 games and look at some of the newer ones.

 

[faint]

Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Two Worlds will run at 60 fps while in 3D.
That article says it's the first, but I thought MK7 ran at 60fps, so I'm not sure. Though this a good sign that some later 3DS games are going to look amazing. For the Wii U, it's still early in it's life and it takes some time for the devs to use a systems full power. For example, go look at some of the early PS3 games and look at some of the newer ones.

MK7 did run at 60 FPS in both 3D and normal mode, but it did get dips in certain stages like Rainbow Road. So maybe they're referring to a locked 60 FPS? It could also just be PR talk. But yeah it's nice to see Nintendo push for 60 FPS on handhelds.

Also, I think Nintendo is doing a good job utilizing the Wii U's power. A lot of games shown off at E3 were running at 60 FPS. I believe the only notable game shown off to (confirmed) not be running at 60 FPS is WWHD, which runs at 30. Platinum is clearly targeting 60 FPS for Bayo 2 and T101, and I have no doubts that they won't hit it. Smash is confirmed for 60 FPS with a likely res of 720p, which is perfectly fine since you need 60 FPS in a game like smash. Mario 3D is also rumored to be 720p60, but it could end up being 1080p. Retro's DKCR is clearly going to be 1080p60. I have absolutely no doubt that they won't hit it, and Mario Kart 8 is running at 60 FPS. Not sure about the resolution, but regardless the game looks and plays fantastic.

Nintendo's biggest problem isn't utilizing the Wii U's specs, it's utilizing the gamepad. And after E3 they still haven't done so. Every Wii U game can be played on any other console with a regular controller, but Nintendo sticks to their "we build our hardware to cater to our software" strategy. All I want is a Wii U bundle with a pro controller > the gamepad, and I'll never get one. :(

 

[Sgt.Moose]

Voted Sony. Though I still prefer what Nintendo brought us, but facts are facts.

 

[Mulligan]

Voted Sony. Nintendo did what I expected them to do.

 

[Stagnant]

I don't think we played the same Final Fantasy XIII.

 

[Snkz]

Ubisoft kills it with their new IP's, they dont get enough love. The Division looked badass

 

[mattj]

Those changed your mind? Aside from Donkey Kong, we already knew those games were coming. What about Mario 3D World or X blew your expectations away that made you want to purchase a WiiU?

Well, we didn't know or expect that Mario 3D World was coming out. I was expecting something more along the line of 64/Sunshine/G1/G2. But when I first saw the first seconds of the Super Mario 3D World footage, I immediately thought it was a Super Mario 3D Land sequel for the 3DS. I've been playing, and replaying Super Mario 3D Land for months and months now. The more compact levels make replayability easier, at least for me. In contrast, I played through Galaxy 1 and 2 once each and haven't touched them since. That's one reason why the WiiU is on my "to buy" list now, instead of waiting for ZeldaU. Had they revealed "Mario Galaxy 3" I probably wouldn't have changed my mind.

While they didn't release very much new information about Monolith Soft's new game "X", if you compare the last trailer they showed for it, back in January, to the new trailer at E3, it sure looks to me like they've made huge strides in game development. Maybe it was just the quality of the video I watched back then (although considering the 6 month difference I bet it has more to do with development), but while the first trailer did look big and interesting, the new one... wow... just wow! The old one is... "blurrier"?... and "chunkier"?... and generally looked like something they could have pulled off on the Wii (MH3 and Xenoblade Chronicles for example). This new trailer does not look like a last gen game. Much smoother, and with better lighting and models and smoother animations. Personally, I'm sold!

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What about XY/DreamTeam/Sonic was shown that convinced you to purchase those games and why weren't you considering it before E3?

Well obviously XY were on my "to buy" list. They did release a crap ton of information on it though. But Sonic and and Dream Team definitely weren't.

I'm not a huge fan of sonic games. They're alright, but I'm not a giant fan of sidescrollers, and they've pretty much screwed up all their 3D outings so far (arguably). But watching the new trailers they released for the 3DS version, I'm really getting into it. I can tell that the very distant backgrounds and the long, stretched out zones are going to look great in stereoscopic 3D.

As for Dream Team, while I have been a fan of MarioRPG, since Legend of the 7 Stars and Paper Mario 64, Super Paper Mario and Sticker Star kind of gave me the impression that the series was going in a direction I didn't want to explore. When they first announced Dream Team I wasn't sold on it either. But watching the newest trailer in 3D on my 3DS, seeing with my own eyes that it's going to use 3D beautifully, AND go back to the traditional "team RPG" format that I love sold me on it.

I already knew I'd be getting a WiiU eventually and E3 hasn't really changed that. On the other hand, Sony used the conference to announce information I didn't have which convinced me to purchase a PlayStation 4 over an Xbox One (mostly pricing) as my primary console. Not an easy feat considering this generation I used a 360 as my primary console (superior controller, OS, and online experience) with probably 3x as many 360 games as PS3. Loved what Nintendo showed, but all had been officially announced for a long time.

If the price and fact that it doesn't have to be connected to the internet sold you on the PS4, that's your prerogative I guess. The Wii U already meets both of those criteria and released new information on far more games than the PS4, including many more exclusive titles, which makes me suspect it might have honestly had more to do with the whole (admittedly hilarious) "it's not the Xbone" hype.

Meeting the same criteria PLUS releasing more information on more new games seems like a winner to me, but to each his own, I guess? It's just a poll.