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Why the hell aren't you using him yet!?! (Rhyperior Discussion)

Yeah, it's just not worth it. I edited my post to pretty much say that.

I wish Bullet Punch Scizor wasn't everywhere, because Rock Polish Rhyperior threatens to be quite a beast otherwise. Make sure you kill it first if you plan to use that. Also, the fact that it's hit by Intimidate while Metagross is not is kind of a bummer.
 
You have a weird thing for rock polish eh? Personally, I just feel more assured when I set up a sub than anything else, especially with a beastly attacker like rhyperior.
 
Wow.

400 Atk vs 320 Def & 404 HP (75 base power): 136 - 160 (33.66% - 39.6%)

Fire Punch fails to 2HKO Celebi as well. Looks like it's just a really shitty move in that regard.

EDIT: I've gotten Sub-Tar down pretty well :) And enough people bitched at me that I slapped Agility back on my Metagross :P
 
It most certainly did. Lol I wouldn't forget that.

I used this which for some odd reason does not show the multipliers at the end of the calculation, even though I've used another one that looks almost exactly like it (can't seem to find it) which does.
 
I absolutely love my Rhyperior. It's become my "clean-up" killer. I switch it into almost everything after exploding with my Bronzong, or after something dies and TR is still up.

I run a Trick-Room team, so I don't really have time to utilize Swords Dance, so I have 4 slots open for attacks. My Rhpyerior runs Life Orb, and my attacks are:

Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn (for Celebi, Starmie)
Fire Punch (for Scizor, Skarmory)

You wouldn't believe how many people switch those four pokemon into Rhyperior, only to eat a SE attack and die. Countless Bullet Punch Scizors have fallen in this way...As have Celebis.

On the note of Bullet Punching Scizors, they can't touch Rhyperior. An unboosted BP does in the neighborhood of 40%, while they're (obviously) OHKO'd by Fire punch.

Rhyperior is a brute of a Pokemon, and I too am suprised it receives as little usage as it does...
 
Subperior is really great (love pairing with dual screen bronzong), but quite a few times has Blissey broken my Sub with Ice Beam. What EVs must Blissey have to do this?

Anybody know?
 
Are you sure? o.o
Was it a 252 modest +14 blissey? Making fast calcs, you had 115 base hp, 55 base Sdef and blissey 75 base attack. But 90 (ice beam) x 3/4 (solid rock) x 2 (SE ) / 2 (LS) =67,5 base power. I wont make true calcs now, but this is weird.
 
I don't know what EVs the Blissey's had, but I know it happened more than once. I'm asking if anyone knows what EVs it could have, and if there's a way to get around it.
 
Blissey is guaranteed to break the sub if there isn't a sandstorm and has a chance to break it with a sandstorm without any investment in SpA. With 72 Evs invested, Blissey is guaranteed to break the sub in sandstorm.
 
Hm, then its simple to fix: add more Special Defense EVs (80 more is okay). Could be taken out of Attack simply (you won't notice it too much really). OBVIOUSLY should be used in the Sandstorm.
 
ive never really used a rhyperior before But that SD Set owns! it gets demolished by roar or whirlwind though But overall its pretty good
 
Colonel M, thanks to this thread, Rhyperior usage has gone through the roof lol. I'm seeing one in every 4th battle or so.
 
Legacy Raider said:
Colonel M, thanks to this thread, Rhyperior usage has gone through the roof lol. I'm seeing one in every 4th battle or so.
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I noticed that as well. And I also tried Rhyperior myself, and it's surprising how well it does, at least in Sandstorm with a couple of SpDef EVs. I still have to try it outside of Sandstorm.

It just proves to me once more that a long list of terrible weaknesses means nothing. Just look at T-Tar or Mamoswine.
 
Boingo said:
I noticed that as well. And I also tried Rhyperior myself, and it's surprising how well it does, at least in Sandstorm with a couple of SpDef EVs. I still have to try it outside of Sandstorm.

It just proves to me once more that a long list of terrible weaknesses means nothing. Just look at T-Tar or Mamoswine.
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Just look at every single grass type, they have 5 weaknesses with no secondary typing.

I've been using Rhyperior out of sandstorm and it has been working fairly well. It's hard to use it to it's full potential, but it still gets a kill or two each match thanks to its great attack and defense.
 
I've been using Sub/SD/EQ/SE Rhyperior with Dual Screen Bronzong as of late, and it's an absolute monster. With Light Screen and Sandstorm up, Rhyperior takes next to nothing from Special hits, even 4x Super Effective ones! He still manages to do a lot of damage even through Intimidate, and I've found him to be a great DD Tar check (even CBTar, though the 2HKO from EQ is slightly unappealing and makes me think investing more in Def could be of use).

I've had a little bit of problems with Scizor and Co., but I'm running a Magnezone to deal with it (still doesn't completely solve my problems unfortunately).

Still, my opinion of Rhyperior changed a great deal, thanks for showing us this set =]
 
Ah it appears that I have seen more of Rhyperior, and many people have used the Substitute set of mine with great success (even with Megahorn over Swords Dance). And remember that because I am debating about Rhyperior I have to be a little more harsh at some things. But don't take it personally guys: its to prove a point that Rhyperior, when used correctly, isn't outclassed.

Now people are blaming me for it. ;>_>
 
Heh, Colonel M, after seeing this thread, I've been trying out the Rock Polish Rhyperior on my new team, and it actually works incredibly well (I don't even have sandstorm on my team :]).

I believe that Rhyperior should be packing his/her bags, since it's going to be moving up to OU in no time at this rate. Good job CM, I didn't expect this thread to work so well. :D
 
I made a team with Rhyperior and tested it all day today.

I must say that it did better than I expected, but i still wasn't impressed. Its success seemed to depend on the quality of the opponent. Against the better players that popped up on the ladder, the team was almost completely ineffective.

I started off with sub/sd/eq/se but quickly replaced swords dance with megahorn. Rhyperior simply doesn't have the time to swords dance because of its typing and speed. And speaking of its typing, the Rhyperior team has a harder time switching into things than what i'm used to, that much is definitely true.

But I was pleasantly surprised at what rhyperior could switch into. I was surprised at the durability of its sub. Unstabbed ice punches and brick breaks don't break it, and it even survived a sala EQ once. And of course it hits hard as hell, too.

So yes, it was better than I thought it would be, but not good enough. The team was weak, even after a whole day of evolving. I couldn't stop thinking about replacing Rhyperior even though the point was to test him.

The biggest problem: Vaporeon. People switch it in freely and there's nothing Rhyperior can do about it. Even with all my SPD evs in the sand, it never failed to OHKO and Rhyperior can't 2HKO.
 
Rhyperior should not be considered in any team as like all rhinocerous it is an endangered species.

To promote rhyperior to constant battling will encourage kids at zoos to want to throw water, grass ice and other super effective elements at the already fragile populations of this beautiful animal,

Please be good to nature. save the rhinocerous.
 
happyeskimo said:
Rhyperior should not be considered in any team as like all rhinocerous it is an endangered species.

To promote rhyperior to constant battling will encourage kids at zoos to want to throw water, grass ice and other super effective elements at the already fragile populations of this beautiful animal,

Please be good to nature. save the rhinocerous.
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Oh you're good ;)

I can't believe how underated this guy has been.
 
happyeskimo said:
Rhyperior should not be considered in any team as like all rhinocerous it is an endangered species.

To promote rhyperior to constant battling will encourage kids at zoos to want to throw water, grass ice and other super effective elements at the already fragile populations of this beautiful animal,

Please be good to nature. save the rhinocerous.
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I had to reply to this. Adding in 3... 2... 1...
 
Honestly, I would use a Rhyperior if not for the 4x Water and 4x Grass weaknesses. These reasons are reasons why I think that the Rock/Ground typing is one of the worse typings that have been used.

But honestly, once it gets a Sub up it can tear teams apart. I'm not really sure, but the only only things I see that are keeping Rhyperior from being used a lot is Grass Knot and Bulky waters (Vaporeon and Suicune can usually shut him down, as someone said before).

I think I'm going to do some serious Rhyperior testing and just find some ways to not just fit him into a team but develop a team around him.
 
Ice / Ground has a really shitty typing defensively. The point is, Rock / Ground is an awesome typing offensively. Same with Ice / Ground offensively. But I think you get the point. Mission accomplished I guess.
 
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