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Wi-Fi Blacklist: as of January 30th, 2014

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I would like to report this Noob. I have him quoted in my thread saying he bred a 31/31/31/X/31/31 Adamant Shiny Gallade, and when I get to the trade, it's caught at route 217 and hacked, like really, really, really, really bad.

Anyways, that is all.
 
Hi, i found out of a very popular hacked poke going around, though i don't know the specific person distributing it. Should i just tell you guys the details on the poke?
 
Ok, be on the lookout for a Shiny EV'd Ursaring with fire punch and the nickname "OsO BaBaS" or something along those lines. I've seen it go around alot, and it's a hack. I know this because it was caught in a safari ball in kanto, and i researched to find out that it can't be caught kanto without breeding.
 
I'd like to be taken off of the blacklist. My offense was nearly 6 months ago.
I'm getting back into breeding and want to start a trade thread and I really don't want to still be on the blacklist. I mean honestly, do you think I came back after 6 months to do some stupid shit again?
So please, at least put me on probation.
BTW, if people see my name and get mad, I'm truly sorry for what I did.
 
If anybody that has been involved with DRAGONITE_92 feels he/she should be put onto probationaly list please let it be known or forever speak your peace. If Giant Enemy Crab has been given a second chance then it could work, but then again it could not.
 
Damn it's been a long time since I've posted here. Anyways, I would like to report Tae-Tae FC: 4468 6937 9318 for disconnecting right before he was going to lose. Normally I don't bother with reporting disconnections anymore but this guy sat there without making a move (he only had 1 pokemon left) for 5-8 mins (I don't know the exact time since I didn't keep track but I was waiting for a while) until he finally disconnected. The connection was good throughout the battle and there was no lag whatsoever. I've sent him a PM regarding this but he hasn't responded and has signed of Smogon. My impression is that he just sat there at the end thinking that I would get tired of waiting and just disconnect myself. But when it was clear that I wasn't going to he just disconnected himself. Of course the mods might have a different opinion.
 
Expert Evan said:
If anybody that has been involved with DRAGONITE_92 feels he/she should be put onto probationaly list please let it be known or forever speak your peace. If Giant Enemy Crab has been given a second chance then it could work, but then again it could not.
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I'm probably too late, but I'd like to vote against this. I am absolutely against second chances here on WiFi. If someone blatantly betrays the trust of this community, with complete awareness of what they're doing, then it's my belief they should be forced to trade elsewhere. This isn't the NFL, there's plenty of other places to trade, so it's not like we're ruining his trading life by not letting him back in.

Even though I think people who come back will trade legitimate pokemon (especially since they will be watched more closely), that's irrelevant in my opinion. The point is that they ripped off a lot of people, and letting that slide pretty much makes it okay for anyone to just come to this site and sneak there way in trading well-disguised hacks with nothing to lose. Then they can just come back six months later (still owning peoples' pokemon they traded for illegitimately I might add), and ask to be reinstated, and get their request granted because GEC (and now Dragonite_92) did. Hacks are already so difficult to detect, what message does this send to the unknown hackers among us? "Oh good, now even if I get caught I just take a break from trading for a few months. That should give me just enough time to actually breed decent things to trade."

That's such an unbelievably backward way of doing things, and should never be justified by completely irrelevant, broad statements like "I believe in second chances." WiFi gets nothing by letting this hacker back in, why should we? Let people "turn over new leaves" somewhere else. It's one thing to be forgiving, it's another to just be blindly optimistic.

Also, on top of betraying everyone here, DRAGONITE_92 is also a complete tool. I posted in his thread a while back, suggesting that his pokes looked illegitimate for the length he'd been breeding (that's actually all I did, I didn't accuse him of anything, and could hardly have been less offensive). He then proceeds to freak out at me for nothing, and then accuses ME of being a hacker because I caught my quad Azelf in 45 minutes. I'll try to edit with evidence of this. So yea, point is he wasn't exactly a gentlemen when he was here.

My 2 cents. Probably too late, but I'd at least like a response to everything I wrote.
 
You really think I'd come back 6 months later and hack again, honestly?
I'm learning how to Emerald breed as it is. But watch me all you want, I know I'm legit so I don't exactly care how you feel about me because shit I did last year.
 
Ummm, did you even read my post? I don't think you're still hacking pokemon. I'll save you 10 seconds of time and tell you to check the 2nd paragraph.


Expert Evan said:
If anybody that has been involved with DRAGONITE_92 feels he/she should be put onto probationaly list please let it be known or forever speak your peace.
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This was the encounter I was referring to in my last post.
 
Diesel, if you dont like it, dont trade with him. He wont be coming off the probationary blacklist, so people should be still alerted to his previous altercations. Trade at your own risk people, if you dont want to trade with Dragonite92 then dont, but at least check the blacklist before trading so you are informed.

It is possible for people to change, ya know, so less of this 'once a hacker' line cos all it does is cause arguments. Its not like we havent made this decision lightly, all members of the blacklist are closely watched.
 
Toothache said:
Diesel, if you dont like it, dont trade with him. He wont be coming off the probationary blacklist, so people should be still alerted to his previous altercations. Trade at your own risk people, if you dont want to trade with Dragonite92 then dont, but at least check the blacklist before trading so you are informed.

It is possible for people to change, ya know, so less of this 'once a hacker' line cos all it does is cause arguments. Its not like we havent made this decision lightly, all members of the blacklist are closely watched.
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Thank you for responding.

First off, I'm not remotely concerned about him hacking again because I'm not going to trade with him and I don't think he'd do it again. I'm not making the argument you say I'm making, not at all. My point is that allowing him back sends a message to anyone currently trading hacks or considering doing so. It basically says, "It's fine, but you'll be banned from the forum for a while. Breed some legit pokes in the meantime and we'll be happy to have you back in a few months. Oh, and feel free to use the pokemon we gave you as parents while you're at it."

Hacking is already such a huge problem around here, why give so much tolerance toward the people so easily willing to deceive us? It's not so much the fact that Dragonite92 just opened up another thread, it's that we have a "two strikes, you're out policy" (that's a baseball term btw, Toothache, so I'll understand if you don't get it ;) ), basically allowing anyone who hacks to get off scot-free (again taking into account that the time they're banned for isn't too different than the time it will take them to breed legitimate pokemon).
 
Thanks Toothache, my sentiments exactly.
Edit: So what your saying Diesel is that we're letting people hack and then giving them time to breed legit pokes, and that's bad. In my position I'm inclined to believe it's a good thing that we give them a chance to change. But you're right, if you can hack stuff the first time, get lots of good legits, get banned for a bit, use said parents to breed, then you're in business.
 
Diesel said:
Thank you for responding.

First off, I'm not remotely concerned about him hacking again because I'm not going to trade with him and I don't think he'd do it again. I'm not making the argument you say I'm making, not at all. My point is that allowing him back sends a message to anyone currently trading hacks or considering doing so. It basically says, "It's fine, but you'll be banned from the forum for a while. Breed some legit pokes in the meantime and we'll be happy to have you back in a few months. Oh, and feel free to use the pokemon we gave you as parents while you're at it."

Hacking is already such a huge problem around here, why give so much tolerance toward the people so easily willing to deceive us? It's not so much the fact that Dragonite92 just opened up another thread, it's that we have a "two strikes, you're out policy" (that's a baseball term btw, Toothache, so I'll understand if you don't get it ;) ), basically allowing anyone who hacks to get off scot-free (again taking into account that the time they're banned for isn't too different than the time it will take them to breed legitimate pokemon).
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I understand your concerns, and I believe they are shared by the vast majority of the users here. Like I said, the mods havent made this decision lightly, so have a bit of faith in us. We discussed his status at length, and even gave the wifi users the chance to respond before making the decision. And its not like he's off the blacklist either, the probationary list will never be wiped regardless of how 'clean' a member eventually becomes, or appears to be, so his past transgressions will still be there for all to see.

Personally, I'm a forgiving sort of person, and I believe people have the right to a second chance if they are genuinely willing to change. I understand there is a lot of cynicism and scepticism surrounding hackers, and in the majority of cases it is true, they are not willing to change. But if people do want to play ball (see, I'm not as ignorant about baseball as you believe), then I'd rather give people that chance after growing up a bit. We've all done dumb things in the past that we've grown out of.
 
I understand your concerns, and I believe they are shared by the vast majority of the users here. Like I said, the mods havent made this decision lightly, so have a bit of faith in us. We discussed his status at length, and even gave the wifi users the chance to respond before making the decision.
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Ah, you made a good point here. From the looks of it, it seemed like D92 asked to be removed, then EE asked people to weigh in, then Mormoopid made the same irrelevant comment everyone who's ever been in this type of debate has made (no offense), then EE let him off the Blacklist since nobody else had said anything. So yea, to me it didn't look like a whole lot of thought was put into the decision, but apparently there was, so that makes me more comfortable with it I guess.

And again, I completely agree that hackers can and will change. It's the fact that these second chances will encourage more hacking to begin with that bothers me.

So yea, thanks again for hearing me out, Toothache.

Oh and just one last related question/worry: if DRAGONITE_92, someone who appears to have never traded a legitimate pokemon here in his life, gets a second chance, then who doesn't get a second chance? It's not like he's a good trader gone bad (if I recall correctly, GEC began as a legit trader). Where exactly is the line drawn, if it is at all? As you can tell from my arguments, the line has to be drawn somewhere for aforementioned reasons .
 
Well Kara, was banned for good...
There really isn't a line that's been drawn yet, atleast none that I've seen.
 
I wasn't banned for good, however I am fairly surprised I was not.

I betrayed the trust of people here who trusted me, and I am sorry. I am not asking to be removed from any list. I tossed my games in the garbage (believe me or don't. I could care less at this point) I just play shoddy/read+lurk during my free time. I have no intention of trading ever again.

I also have no intention of explaining myself. Most have already heard what they wanted to, and are content with it that I am a hacker. All I intend to say.
 
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