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Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Recover
- Calm Mind

I really, really like this set and have won multiple battles simply because Reuni sweeped through the other team after a few calm mind boosts. The best part is Reuni can KO pokemon like Bisharp, Weavile, Heracross, and Crawdaunt on the switch. Once you take those out those and any phazers it's typically gg.
 
I never really liked Reunuclus. Even when it did damage on my Trick Room team I alwase thought that "Theres got to be something beter than this". Also why would Bisharp, Weavile, Heracross, or Crawdaunt ever want to manualy switch into Reuniclus? Its low speed is what i find is the problem with Reuniclus. It cant keep up with the all those threat you listed one they get in. Also Slowbro, Gardevoir, Chansey, and Quagsire can stop your sweep late game. Unless you have a great counter to them (I know 2 that could stop all of them when used together) then you aren't sweeping.
 
Garchomp for president said:
I never really liked Reunuclus. Even when it did damage on my Trick Room team I alwase thought that "Theres got to be something beter than this". Also why would Bisharp, Weavile, Heracross, or Crawdaunt ever want to manualy switch into Reuniclus? Its low speed is what i find is the problem with Reuniclus. It cant keep up with the all those threat you listed one they get in. Also Slowbro, Gardevoir, Chansey, and Quagsire can stop your sweep late game. Unless you have a great counter to them (I know 2 that could stop all of them when used together) then you aren't sweeping.
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Yeah, I suppose Bisharp, Weavile, Heracross, Crawdaunt, etc. are great at revenge killing, but they can't safely switch in to a focus blast. So the only way they can safely switch in and do damage to Reuni is if Reuni killed off another of your teammate's first, or if they predict a recover or psyshock or something.

Apart from those, Quagsire and Slowbro beat Reuni, I'll admit to that. Reuni beats Chansey pretty well though, as Chansey can't hold up to +6 Psyshocks. I guess I exaggerated Reuniclus's potential a bit in my first post, but I still think he's pretty good. Then again, I might just be biased since he's one of my favorite pokemon.
 
Chandelure @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Energy Ball
- Flamethrower
- Shadow Ball

Don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I have been running Chandellure like this using energy ball to hit water types like blastosie hard it they switch in, and it works pretty well if since people usually do not expect it. so I continue to sweep and only really have to worry about dark or maybe a rock type types hitting me hard.
 
honestly speaking, i was under the impression that chandelure would normally be the one swapping in to blastoise to block a spin, not the other way round...

works, i suppose. chandelure does have really meh options for coverage.
 
TM13IceBeam said:
honestly speaking, i was under the impression that chandelure would normally be the one swapping in to blastoise to block a spin, not the other way round...

works, i suppose. chandelure does have really meh options for coverage.
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I am kind of new so my rating sucks so I get people that switch in to hit me with a water move
 
I'm really liking how the megas are working out in UU. They are terrifying, but not overpoweringly so. All of them work differently, yet they aren't any scarier than the top non-mega threats (say Victini, Hydreigon or LO Darm). I'm a bit terrified of Mega Medicham, but the rest of them are "only" really scary.

Megas that I've tried out:
Manectric - Very cool pokemon. Power-wise it doesn't feel like a mega at all, but it's very useful. Its move pool is a bit dry, but it has everything it needs to succeed. Maybe one more coverage move would be nice. There aren't really that many options with Mega Manectric, but it is still pretty interesting to use.

Blastoise - This kinda speaks for itself. Excellent spinner and difficult to switch into with its wonderful coverage (choose 2 of fighting/dark/ice). Very powerful, but wear-down-able so its very balanced

Absol - On paper it should be a terrifying sweeper with unstatusable Sword Dance and nice Dark/Fairy coverage. Sucker Punch is often regarded as unreliable priority, but combined with Magic Bounce, it's quite alright. Substitute is pretty much the only danger of SUcker Punch (presumably if you're sucker punching, you think you can KO the other guy so stuff like DD and SD are irrelevant). However, I've actually found this to be hella awkward to use. It is blazingly fast, but it has to find an opportunity to mega evolve. As a result, it becomes a bit obvious when it's going to Sucker Punch for the first time. The Absol I've been using lately is a Pursuit trapper, which is even more awkward to play. Really really fun mega to play with, but also really weird


Rustyy said:
Gardevoir is easily one of the best Megas in the game, even in OU. It requires no set-ups and can still rape teams. It can OHKO a ton of pokemon, and 2HKO's pretty much anyone else. Even a not very effective hyper voice does a lot of damage. There is no safe switch-in against it. Use HP ground for Magnezones and Heatrans. It cant be walled by special walls because psyshock. Gardevoir has more Sp Def than Sylveon. Sylveon has a little bit more HP than Gardevoir, and access to Leftovers, but thats about it. I find it very silly that Sylveon is in a higher tier than Mega Gardevoir, it is a huge threat to every team no matter what tier, and the thing is way to overpowered for UU. Right now, it is the Mega-Kangaskhan of UU.
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Mega Gardevoir is nowhere close to Kangaskhan. It's difficult to counter, but extremely easy to check/revenge. Kangaskhan has an unholy combination of Priority, Power, Setup opportunities and BULK. Not only is it (near) uncounterable. It's nearly uncheckable. You basically can't revenge kill it (or you need multiple revenge killers). Pretty much every revenge killer can check Gardevoir. 100 Speed is fast, but not nearly fast enough to be broken without priority

The single thing that I'm most scared of is Suicune. Am I weird?
 
jamashawalker said:
Speaking of the talk with Mega Ampharos. I love this thing's Defensive Typing. Dragon + Electric is surprisingly GOOD in this meta. After building a few times around SSJ3 Ampharos, Ive came to the conclusion that Vaporeon is hands down the best partner for him. Both Cleric and Wish Passer


SSJ3 Ampharos!!!

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Ampharos @Ampharosite
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/ 4 SpDef
Bold Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Dragon Pulse
- Heal Bell

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Vaporeon Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/ 4 SpDef
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic/Ice Beam

These two duo cover each other's weakness tremendously. Providing such a fun core too.

EDIT: Pair that with Treecko 's Core post and you have yourself a good team right there!
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I'll agree with you about mega-ampharos's typing, with one caveat: EQ.

But grass/electric/fire/water/steel resists are great, and offensively, it's got nearly perfect neutral coverage. Magnezone resists it, but can't do much in return. Steelix is very threatening though.

My main problem in dealing with M-ampharos has been the cotton guard ones. That and its immunity to paralysis make it difficult to cripple with my team being on the slower side.

TM13IceBeam:

I wouldn't say chandalure's coverage is bad at all. It gets energy ball, which is amazing. The only coverage issues it has are with specially bulky normals like snorlax and porygon 2.
 
noknuckles said:
The single thing that I'm most scared of is Suicune. Am I weird?
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I can understand being scared of Suicune; actually now that I think about it most of my teams are weak to Crocune >.<
This generation shift as certainly been kind to it since you no longer need to pair it with a Cleric like you were pretty much forced to last gen. I'm also seeing a lot less Electric-types (especially since Thundurus-T's ban) apart from M-Manectric and Defensive Zapdos My biggest issue with it is that it can't break Chansey or Jellicent - it's to be expected I guess but as a late game Calm Mind sweeper something like the Reuniclus set posted earlier would probably be more reliable. Basically stall teams that used to be only able to phaze it now have access to good counters. Not only that, but its Def stat, while still certainly stellar, makes it so that it can't set up in front of stuff like LO Bisharp, M-Medicham or non-Scarf Staraptor. Granted these are reallyy strong but still compared to last gen with all the scarfed Hera/Mienshao and physical Fire-types Suicune can struggle to find a window to set up against offensive teams. Still having basically free setup on stuff like Keldeo, Latias, Metagross, Entei, M-Blastoise... is really good.

On a not wholly unrelated note I've been trying out Toxicroak a bit and I am decently impressed, even with the Drizzle ban. Being able to Swords Dance while not fearing Scald is really good (until you realize that you can't set up on Slowbro or WoW Jellicent... or Gastrodon... so yeah basically Blastoise/Vaporeon/Suicune) and it's a great Keldeo or Heracross check. If you manage to grab a SD then it can also be a bit hard to revenge-kill since +2 Sucker Punch actually kills a couple of faster things (like Staraptor/Darmanitan/M-Medicham/Tornadus-T).
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Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Poison Jab / Knock Off / Ice Punch
Poison Jab to kill Florges and have a strong neutral move against Heracross, +2 Knock Off ruins Jellicent and Cofag's lives, Ice Punch is your best bet against Hippowdon but yeah you kind of lose to that regardless. All in all not an amazing sweeper but it has really useful resistances and I think it has a chance to do well once the tier settles down a little.
 
Zygarde @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def (not sure about this spread)
Adamant Nature
- Coil
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail
- Rest

I'm loving this set, either when BPing some speed boosts with Scolipede or using it as a bulky attacker.
 
Jellied Eels said:
I can understand being scared of Suicune; actually now that I think about it most of my teams are weak to Crocune >.<
This generation shift as certainly been kind to it since you no longer need to pair it with a Cleric like you were pretty much forced to last gen. I'm also seeing a lot less Electric-types (especially since Thundurus-T's ban) apart from M-Manectric and Defensive Zapdos My biggest issue with it is that it can't break Chansey or Jellicent - it's to be expected I guess but as a late game Calm Mind sweeper something like the Reuniclus set posted earlier would probably be more reliable. Basically stall teams that used to be only able to phaze it now have access to good counters. Not only that, but its Def stat, while still certainly stellar, makes it so that it can't set up in front of stuff like LO Bisharp, M-Medicham or non-Scarf Staraptor. Granted these are reallyy strong but still compared to last gen with all the scarfed Hera/Mienshao and physical Fire-types Suicune can struggle to find a window to set up against offensive teams. Still having basically free setup on stuff like Keldeo, Latias, Metagross, Entei, M-Blastoise... is really good.

On a not wholly unrelated note I've been trying out Toxicroak a bit and I am decently impressed, even with the Drizzle ban. Being able to Swords Dance while not fearing Scald is really good (until you realize that you can't set up on Slowbro or WoW Jellicent... or Gastrodon... so yeah basically Blastoise/Vaporeon/Suicune) and it's a great Keldeo or Heracross check. If you manage to grab a SD then it can also be a bit hard to revenge-kill since +2 Sucker Punch actually kills a couple of faster things (like Staraptor/Darmanitan/M-Medicham/Tornadus-T).
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Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Poison Jab / Knock Off / Ice Punch
Poison Jab to kill Florges and have a strong neutral move against Heracross, +2 Knock Off ruins Jellicent and Cofag's lives, Ice Punch is your best bet against Hippowdon but yeah you kind of lose to that regardless. All in all not an amazing sweeper but it has really useful resistances and I think it has a chance to do well once the tier settles down a little.
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This little croak is awesome! I tried it a bit in OU, and although it's not really viable there, I hope it finds its place in the lower tiers. It has surprisingly good and unique niches, like the ones you mentioned already. Although it is the Poison Pokemon with the best base Attack, going at 106, it's still a bit short on being totally awesome. Even with +2, u risk not being able to kill everything reliably with Sucker Punch. The Pokemon you mentioned usually go down cleanly, although prior damage is needed to ensure the OHKO. It also sits at an awkward speed, speed tieing with Heracross, and the bug is considered slow in UU. If using a Poison-type move on Toxicroak (which I heavily recommend), I'd propably go for Gunk shot instead of Poison Jab. Gunk shot's accuracy was raised to 80% this gen, so it's really the same gamble you take with Stone Edge. The point is, Toxicroak really needs the extra power to ensure it didn't raise its attack for nothing.
 
Might as well offer my two cents on a tier I actually actively play.

My UU experience has (to my complete shock) been remarkably positive, as I was able to happily use Latias for the first time, except when Mega Heracross was around. I didn't play Gen 5 OU very much because I became so, so sick of seeing the same ten Pokemon rotating through teams of six. Gen 6 UU has been refreshing in that sense so far, though once more official tiers are set up I can imagine it returning to the old ways.

My biggest successes:

Latias (c) (Latias) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 92 Spd / 252 SAtk / 164 HP
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Before replacing Substitute with HP Fire and generally shifting it from bulky to a faster offensive leader, it faced significant trouble from things like Hydreigon, Bisharp and especially Mega Gardevoir. Now it only fears Scarf Hydreigon and can actually hit Bisharp now, though it has continued to struggle with Mega Gardevoir and Scarf Darmanitan with U-turn. Regardless, the team captain has been an excellent revenge killer, which isn't the type of role one would think a team captain should be reduced to, but after a Calm Mind even Bisharp and Hydreigon might think twice.


Diggersby @ Leftovers
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Quick Attack
- Earthquake
- Power-Up Punch

Yes, that says Leftovers. There is such a thing as running it without a Choice Item or a Life Orb, though you wouldn't know it from watching UU matches on the ladder. Diggersby is one of the few who have been on the team since Day 1, with absolutely fantastic sweeping capabilities. His main purpose is to set up using Power-Up Punch to hit a common switch-in like Slowbro, and thanks to its HP EVs it can tank a Scald and proceed to run directly through it. Even Scarf Chandelure can't OHKO with Energy Ball, so it has taken considerable effort from my opponents not carrying Weavile or Keldeo to shut this monster down.


Empoleon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 88 Def / 164 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Flash Cannon
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
Most teams fancy Stealth Rock, whether it's from non-Mega Aggron, Celebi or most commonly, Deoxys-D. But I had to switch my first lead Delphox out because it couldn't hold its own against the typical leads that weren't any of the above, and it couldn't lay Rocks anyway so I brought in Empoleon because it seemed like a slightly unorthodox choice over something like Metagross. Empoleon with Protect, however, has been fantastic for scouting usual Choiced attacking leads like Superpower Darmanitan (which it can take, surprisingly) or Secret Sword Keldeo (which it can also stomach)

I'll have an actual RMT for this team up in a little while. I put 3 examples up but had to stop myself from turning this into that
 
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noknuckles I don't see a reason to run SD on Mega Absol. I personally run Sucker Punch, Play Rough, Night Slash, and Fire Blast on it. (note that you can't run Knock Off and Play Rough together) Absol is too frail to sweep imo, but it has great 150/115 offenses with a base 115 Speed in Mega Forme to put serious pressure on offensive and defensive teams alike.

Also, want to bring something up for the time when Bisharp leaves the tier (whether it be by OU usage or ban) and that's Defiant Braviary. While it may not have the same powerful priority move Bisharp has, the american eagle does have insane base 123 Attack, a nuke in STAB Brave Bird, decent bulk, and base 80 Speed that is high enough to effectively be a Scarf user. It faces a lot of competition from Staraptor, a Pokemon that relies on the same STAB move, has a more reliable ability, and has a much better base 100 Speed stat that lets it outpace most boosted threats in the tier with a Scarf, but Braviary's higher HP and better bulk in general lets it tank out priority moves as needed that Raptor would probably have no shot at surviving.
 
kokoloko

Based on November's, December's and January's stats, we have a new UU banlist, as per this post:

Antar said:
UU Banlist:
Aegislash, Alakazam, Azumarill, Bisharp, Blissey, Breloom, Charizard, Clefable, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Donphan, Dragonite, Espeon, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Forretress, Galvantula, Garchomp, Genesect, Gengar, Gliscor, Goodra, Greninja, Gyarados, Heatran, Infernape, Klefki, Landorus-Therian, Latios, Lucario, Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Mawile, Pinsir, Rotom-Wash, Sableye, Salamence, Scizor, Skarmory, Smeargle, Starmie, Sylveon, Talonflame, Tentacruel, Thundurus, Togekiss, Trevenant, Tyranitar, Venusaur, Volcarona

Jirachi, Landorus and Terrakion join UU this month
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Sad news for all. According to the usage stats, our best friend bisharp has made the climb into OU. It was a blast while it lasted. Don't worry though, now we have Jirachi, Landorus-I, and TERRAKION to play with.

Edit: Dammit Antar beat me to it.

Edit Again: Lando-I and freaking terrakion now? I wonder if the standard LO special attacker from last gen becomes standard in UU. And w/o aegislash running everywhere, terrakion is ready for a field day. This WILL be fun.
 
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Swamp Link said:
Landorus what the hell that thing is really good in OU.
But really now. How have Terrakion, Keldeo, Landorus, Kyurem-B, Latias, both Deoxys formes, Manaphy, and Politoed been getting less usage in OU than Donphan?
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I guess people really like donphan, but I am looking foward to Terrakion and Landrous in UU
 
Swamp Link said:
Landorus what the hell that thing is really good in OU.
But really now. How have Terrakion, Keldeo, Landorus, Kyurem-B, Latias, both Deoxys formes, Manaphy, and Politoed been getting less usage in OU than Donphan?
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Am I the only person in the forums that thinks donphan is good enough for his OU spot? Apparently. Is jirachi going to bring anything great to UU or does it just give you a mew that's better in every single feasible way outside of BP?
 
Terrakion and Landorous-I in UU.... they were already p. good together. Thankfully Latias is around to keep them in check and she lost one of her biggest checks in Bisharp, but that's a lot of pressure on one Pokemon who is already pressed for moveslots. But I think this has everything to do with the weather nerf. We're finally starting to see the Pokemon that benefited the most from weather in Gen V start to drop down. Sure, Terrakion didn't rely on Sand, but it shit on Sun teams and actually had the bulk to utilize the SpDef boost from Sand. Landorus-I was actually a good physical attacker with Sand Force and that base 101 Speed, allowing it to be able to do something else other than a Special Attacker. And I think we all know that Jirachi got nerfed in a ton of ways. Steel losing the Ghost- and Dark-type resistances, Electric-types p. much becoming hard counters to Rachi, rain nerf killing the SubCM set, and many of the new top threats being able to beat it one-on-one. Can't wait to test out the new toys.
 
Landorus is going to be so dumb in this meta, to a point where I hope it's just banned straight up. Any one who has played OU this gen will know that it's still a fucking monster, and even with Latias and Celebi being UU, that still really doesn't keep it from tearing the tier apart. Besides, the LO set with U-turn or Sludge Wave beats Celebi and Florges with ease, while Landorus could just U-turn out on Latias and go into something like Weavile to trap it or something else to check it. Chansey is like the only hard counter to the special set, but even then it has to worry about the physical sets, which are scary asf with Hippo being UU and have their own separate counters. Why even bother testing this thing tbh.

Terrakion is probably a lot better off than Keldeo because most of its checks and counters are in OU. Still, it's going to be incredible, and SD Terrakion or just CB will be absolutely ridiculous.
 
JackTheGordie said:
Am I the only person in the forums that thinks donphan is good enough for his OU spot? Apparently. Is jirachi going to bring anything great to UU or does it just give you a mew that's better in every single feasible way outside of BP?
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It's not that Donphan is an inherently bad pokemon, it's just that it's outclassed. If you want a pure Ground-type physical wall, use Hippowdon. It's got better bulk and recovery. If you want a Ground-type rapid spinner, use Excadrill, it's stronger to beat spinblockers and it can do a lot of helpful work when it's not spinning too. Even if it does have a bit of a niche to itself, it's so small and inconsequential that I just really can't comprehend why Donphan manages to stay OU when Pokemon with much better and larger niches don't get the same amount of usage.
 
Swamp Link said:
It's not that Donphan is an inherently bad pokemon, it's just that it's outclassed. If you want a pure Ground-type physical wall, use Hippowdon. It's got better bulk and recovery. If you want a Ground-type rapid spinner, use Excadrill, it's stronger to beat spinblockers and it can do a lot of helpful work when it's not spinning too. Even if it does have a bit of a niche to itself, it's so small and inconsequential that I just really can't comprehend why Donphan manages to stay OU when Pokemon with much better and larger niches don't get the same amount of usage.
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It is bulkier than excadrill, granted with a worse typing, but still i'm pretty sure that no one has ever mentioned donphan without questioning his OU niche. Oh well, I digress. Back to UU things....
 
Thundurus failed to drop? :<

Then again, ROFL Landorus. basically thundurus-t on steroids. Amazing how 2/3rds of the famous KLT core is now UU...

Terrakion is going to be interesting. There are pretty few counters (Slowbro and Hippowdon do the job just fine) but otherwise...

Also Donphan's in OU due to his lack of EQ weakness and Knock Off access compared to Excadrill. Sure, Excadrill is better, but Donphan probably fits some people better. or maybe a lot.

What you should be asking is "why hasn't forretress, galvantula and tentacruel dropped yet" those guys aren't extremely spectacular in OU, yet they're still clinging on to it. =/
 
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