What Exactly would Aura Break do? Does that mean Fairy Aura weakens fairy type moves instead of powering them up?
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Pokémon Zygarde
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Doesn't do anything essentially since all it does is reverse the fairy/dark aura skills from xerneas/yveltal, the former still being able to ohko with a +2 252+ moonblast and the later being able to spam its flying stab on a helpless zygarde instead.
If it has so many weaknesses to the point that
without sub it is crippled by half the tier
with sub it is walled by the other half
then
Haven't found it to be crippled by half the tier, lol. It rarely goes down without taking at least one opponent with it, even if that Pokemon is something like Ferrothorn.
Camouflage is such a gimmicky and circumstantial move that I'd never suggest using it. You've already said why it doesn't work with Zygarde, and it doesn't work with pretty much anyone else either
Word up, I misjudged this oversized green serpent. I thought you were just a bad overweight Flygon. I thought the big Blue Land Shark just looked at this guy and laughed at him for trying to do his job of sweeping. I thought for sure this douche would be RU material. But after getting swept by and then bothering to use a SubDD set, I can honestly say...
You're pretty good, Zygarde. Good for you. : )
Nah but for real, this thing's bulk nearly broke my mind, and the amount of setup opportunities is ridiculous. As someone else in here said, your best bet at OHKOing it when healthy is a Life Orb Draco Meteor/Outrage(?)/Ice Beam/Icicle Spear. And if you want the assurance it better be STAB. It needs some support to set up because it's still a bit slow and the damage output's not going to come through right away, but I'm still impressed by this thing.
Maybe instead of RU he could wind up in UU with his good buddy Flygon. :')
You're pretty good, Zygarde. Good for you. : )
Nah but for real, this thing's bulk nearly broke my mind, and the amount of setup opportunities is ridiculous. As someone else in here said, your best bet at OHKOing it when healthy is a Life Orb Draco Meteor/Outrage(?)/Ice Beam/Icicle Spear. And if you want the assurance it better be STAB. It needs some support to set up because it's still a bit slow and the damage output's not going to come through right away, but I'm still impressed by this thing.
The one pokemon I never want to see when using this guy is Noivern. He can safely switch in on his favorite move earthquake, and with a choice scarf, Noivern can only be out sped by a +2 speed Zygarde. You need 3 atk boosts to OHKO it with Extremespeed, and Noivern OHKO's it with Draco meteor every time time without special defense investment (which I have never done)
To survive a revenge kill from a choice scarf Noivern, you need one of the following:
+3 extremespeed
+2 speed and either stone edge or outrage
Full health, a Careful nature, and 88 SpD ev's
Full Health, 184 SpD ev's, and a neutral nature
A fairy to switch to (my personal favorite)
To survive a revenge kill from a choice scarf Noivern, you need one of the following:
+3 extremespeed
+2 speed and either stone edge or outrage
Full health, a Careful nature, and 88 SpD ev's
Full Health, 184 SpD ev's, and a neutral nature
A fairy to switch to (my personal favorite)
...and Flygon, Bronzong, and Claydol.
...or Unaware Clefable/Quagsire :p
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From what I've seen though, aren't most Noiverns running Life Orb or specs? Noivern has fairly bad attacking stats for OU, meaning that an Adamant 152 speed Zygarde could outspeed at +1 without the scarf.
On the other hand, Quagsire stops this thing in its tracks. Without any SpA investment at all, it always 2HKOs a 106 HP/0 SpD Zygarde, getting 3HKO'd in return by Outrage or Earthquake when fully physically defensive.
Most of the Noiverns I've fought are choice scarf, I guess to beat fast threats like Mega Gengar and boosted sweepers.
To survive a Life Orb or choice specs Noivern:
+3 extreme speed
+1 speed and either stone edge or outrage
or a fairy team mate :)
A life orb or choice specs noivern will always OHKO with draco meteor. If they use dragon pulse, they need a choice specs to OHKO.
Quagsire's another threat, the best you can do is 4HKO him. He can also 4HKO you back, and since he's got recover and toxic, and you don't, quagsire is a clear "get the hell outta there" sign
Yeah, there's really no point in running Choice Scarf on a Pokemon with 123 Base Speed and only 97 Special Attack. I'd be more worried about Choice Scarf Garchomp or Hydreigon, since they'll still outspeed Zygarde at +1. However, Scarfchomp can't actually revenge kill Coil Zygarde, since even 4 HP Zygarde won't be OHKO'd with Outrage after a Coil and can KO back with a combination of Earthquake and Extremespeed. Hydreigon is still a pain, but Scarfed ones can't actually OHKO Zygarde through a Haban Berry and have a good chance of being KO'd back at +1 Atk by a combination of Stone Edge and Extremespeed.
You'll never survive a draco meteor from Hydreigon, but Zygarde only needs 1 coil to survive an outrage from scarfed garchomp or salamence. With 1 coil, he can OHKO salamence with stone edge and hit garchomp for 65.36 - 77.09% damage and follow up with an extreme speed for 35.19 - 41.48% giving you a 100% chance to kill him too. This is all assuming you managed to get a coil without taking more than about 10% damage, and your left in the red until they get another poke to come and kill you, but its still nice to see.
You missed the part about the fact that Zygarde had a Haban Berry for the Hydreigon calc, which let it survive.
252+ SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Haban Berry Zygarde: 255-301 (71.22 - 84.07%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but I think Zygarde could be an interesting choice for Double Battles thanks to its signature move: Land's Wrath.
Land's Wrath is obviously worthless in Single Battles, but in Double Battles is one of the very rare Ground-type physical moves that don't hit your ally. Earthquake usually forces you to use it only in tandem with specific partners (which for the most part tend to share an Ice weakness with the Earthquake user).
It's like Muddy Water, which is frequently used in Double Battles in lieu of Surf, except Land's Wrath has perfect accuracy.
Land's Wrath is obviously worthless in Single Battles, but in Double Battles is one of the very rare Ground-type physical moves that don't hit your ally. Earthquake usually forces you to use it only in tandem with specific partners (which for the most part tend to share an Ice weakness with the Earthquake user).
It's like Muddy Water, which is frequently used in Double Battles in lieu of Surf, except Land's Wrath has perfect accuracy.
This are the sets Im currently testing:
Zygarde @ Lum Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk -SpA)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
- Camouflage
Camouflage not only removes his disgusting x4 weakness to Ice but it also provides STAB on ExSpeed, virtually becoming a Dragon Dance (the +Spe is irrelevant considering ExSpeed has priority).
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 248 HP / 180 SDef / 80 Def
Careful Nature (+SpD -SpA)
- Dragon Tail
- Glare
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Its cute but it has too many counters imo. However, in late game, if they run out of counters, they simply lose. Obviously SR/Spikes support is much appreciated.
Sadly, Fairy completely stals it and hits for super effective. Dragon can atk over Tails negative priority for super effective. Ice OHKO regardless of the defensive EV investment. Electirc cant be paralized. Ghosts cant be paralized.
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Outrage / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Rock Slide
- Coil
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Having a single attacking move means you are either
A) Hit with much less power (Rock has less BP, Stone unreliable PP, and none of them has STAB)
B) Are completely walled by Fairy
C) Are completely walled by Fly/Levitate/Air Balloon
Outrage is probably the best one since you are most likely going to die to Fairy anyways (it hits for super effective, unlike Levitate/Flying types). Anyways, this doesnt solve his x4 weakness to ice.
Zygarde @ Lum Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk -SpA)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
- Camouflage
Camouflage not only removes his disgusting x4 weakness to Ice but it also provides STAB on ExSpeed, virtually becoming a Dragon Dance (the +Spe is irrelevant considering ExSpeed has priority).
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 248 HP / 180 SDef / 80 Def
Careful Nature (+SpD -SpA)
- Dragon Tail
- Glare
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Its cute but it has too many counters imo. However, in late game, if they run out of counters, they simply lose. Obviously SR/Spikes support is much appreciated.
Sadly, Fairy completely stals it and hits for super effective. Dragon can atk over Tails negative priority for super effective. Ice OHKO regardless of the defensive EV investment. Electirc cant be paralized. Ghosts cant be paralized.
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Outrage / Earthquake / Stone Edge / Rock Slide
- Coil
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Having a single attacking move means you are either
A) Hit with much less power (Rock has less BP, Stone unreliable PP, and none of them has STAB)
B) Are completely walled by Fairy
C) Are completely walled by Fly/Levitate/Air Balloon
Outrage is probably the best one since you are most likely going to die to Fairy anyways (it hits for super effective, unlike Levitate/Flying types). Anyways, this doesnt solve his x4 weakness to ice.
its worth noting that zygarde can outspeed azumarill (not aqua jet of course, but ice punch) and rotom, and with +1 atk 2HKO them both.
Edit: its only a 69% chance to 2HKO Rotom defensively specked with stone edge, I was calculating for earthquake and forgot about levitate.
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^And WoW effectively OHKOs Z regardless..
May I borrow your shed skin in the next version, scrafty?
How good would this set be?
Zygarde @ Assault Vest
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
Zygarde @ Assault Vest
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
should do fine defensively, but 100 base atk is a little low without any access to boosting
I really like the double dancing set and im planning on using it but i think the best support for zygarde is klefki. Klefki can set up dual screens, reflect, thunder wave support(correct me if im wrong) which would even further support Zygarde's incredible bulk. I also think that they cover each others type weaknesses. With his amazing bulk could he be a talonflame check as well?
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I really think Zygarde is the anti-Aegis Slash. Because after several tests he's wiped each one. Proper prediction is required but if you get off just ONE dragon dance on his kings shield, he's done. Even with a shadow sneak hitting you.
Zygarde @ Left Overs/ Lum Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail/Out Rage
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
Dragon Tail is the questionable choice mind you but it's there to prevent people from getting the upper hand with some sort of wall. Though Outrage is nice for it's ability to hit like a literal train.
Zygarde @ Left Overs/ Lum Berry
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail/Out Rage
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
Dragon Tail is the questionable choice mind you but it's there to prevent people from getting the upper hand with some sort of wall. Though Outrage is nice for it's ability to hit like a literal train.
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^ i think your right in this too super effective earthquake(no fear from kings shield) and the fact that most people run aegislash physically means Zygarde isnt taking any damage after coil and could possibly ohko with +1 earthquake
here's a set for paraflintch team using zygard as a lead setup.
Zygard @ leftovers / rocky helmet
impish
252HP, 252DEF, 4Spe or 252HP, 252Spe, 4Def
glare
dragon tail
camouflage / rest
bite / sleep talk / swagger / earthquake
This set aims to use zygard as a lead with it's massive HP and Def passing around paralysis. the idea is lead off with glare and then follow it up with a dragon tale and force someone to switch and glare again. camouflage and bite are there to transform zygarde into a normal type to lose it's weaknesses and bite to flintch late game if you get there. often times his job is just to pass paralysis to as many pokemon as he can and pass out but with the rest sleep talk set you can get more out of it especially if you nail a dragon tale on a sleep talk getting rid of the -4 priority for giggles.
Zygard @ leftovers / rocky helmet
impish
252HP, 252DEF, 4Spe or 252HP, 252Spe, 4Def
glare
dragon tail
camouflage / rest
bite / sleep talk / swagger / earthquake
This set aims to use zygard as a lead with it's massive HP and Def passing around paralysis. the idea is lead off with glare and then follow it up with a dragon tale and force someone to switch and glare again. camouflage and bite are there to transform zygarde into a normal type to lose it's weaknesses and bite to flintch late game if you get there. often times his job is just to pass paralysis to as many pokemon as he can and pass out but with the rest sleep talk set you can get more out of it especially if you nail a dragon tale on a sleep talk getting rid of the -4 priority for giggles.
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