Moltres still takes a ton from CC (I believe Scarf can 2KO with Rocks)Well... moltres is going to go up for sure, as is bulkynine... though the latter takes shittons from CC and SE, even with intimidate.
Problem with Heracross is not so much that it's hard to revenge (it's not, being outsped by literally every fire type in UU, bar blaziken) but that it does huge amounts of damage to its switchins.
This should be an interesting pokemon. Oh and I'm sure somebody will start running physically defensive Aerial ace heracross xD
+2 Facade [Burned] vs. 252/252+ Heracross - 105.8% - 124.5%, so I don't think so lol, though I don't doubt we'll be seeing it on scarf Hera.This should be an interesting pokemon. Oh and I'm sure somebody will start running physically defensive Aerial ace heracross xD
Moltres can barely switch into even Megahorn or Close Combat, let alone Stone Edge if the Heracross user keeps Stealth Rock up. Also, if it's behind a substitute and Moltres is all you rely on to kill the thing, good game already. It's going to eat you alive.Moltres would have to predict or have an 80% chance of instant death from SE. Arcanine can Intimidate it so it may as well be the best counter.
If SR is not up (Another scenario), SubRoost Moltres can SubStall out Heracross' Stone Edges and get back to good health should SE miss (Which is likely if you're trying to stall out 4 of them).Also, if it's behind a substitute and Moltres is all you rely on to kill the thing, good game already. It's going to eat you alive.
Haven't seen SD brought up yet. I'm going to see how good SD + resist berry Heracross might end up. Occa Berry is good for taking Arcanine. With an Occa Berry, Heracross will always survive a Flare Blitz from Jolly Arcanine (Which Arcanine is going to have to run now) while Jolly +1 Close Combat does 97.72% - 115.38% to Arcanine. If Rotom with HP Flying (lol) start running around, just stick a Coba Berry on the take the HP Flying and rape face with +2 boosted attacks.
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Most arcanine nowadays are the spdef versions with little or no speed, therefore running Occa berry would be kind of pointless.
That doesn't mean much when Heracross presence will surely change this.Most arcanine nowadays are the spdef versions with little or no speed, therefore running Occa berry would be kind of pointless.
People are still experimenting around. It's likely a matter of not being used to it's utmost potential or opponents fussing around with movesets. Give it time, and people will start packing Weezing or Swellow or something on teams.just posting to say that in my test battles vs heracross it has been EXTREMELY underwhelming to say the least. maybe it isnt being used right or something but i am not impressed at all and at least for now i am totally inclining towards UU. But ive only tested in like a dozen matches, so its probably too early to tell. Still, first impressions count...
We haven't started ladder up yet, so I don't think this is the time to start causing a panic. After all, there are still plenty of players and plenty of Pokemon to get through before we start talking about its effects on the metagame. You shouldn't really be inclining towards anything.just posting to say that in my test battles vs heracross it has been EXTREMELY underwhelming to say the least. maybe it isnt being used right or something but i am not impressed at all and at least for now i am totally inclining towards UU. But ive only tested in like a dozen matches, so its probably too early to tell. Still, first impressions count...
i don't see why not? an inclination is a feeling... a gut instinct. as long as you're willing to change your inclination should conditions changes, there's nothing wrong with this....We haven't started ladder up yet, so I don't think this is the time to start causing a panic. After all, there are still plenty of players and plenty of Pokemon to get through before we start talking about its effects on the metagame. You shouldn't really be inclining towards anything.