They didn't like him for the last two gens, but maybe they decided to give the original Pseudolegendary an epic buff. Kinda like what they recently did to their first Uber. You're probably right, and the symbolism was probably just me connecting his past to the DW in a way Gamefreak didn't think of, but hey, it's an interesting connection to make, and even if that wasnt GF's train of thought, I still think the mere existence of said connection is at least a little cool.
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They didn't like him for the last two gens, but maybe they decided to give the original Pseudolegendary an epic buff. Kinda like what they recently did to their first Uber. You're probably right, and the symbolism was probably just me connecting his past to the DW in a way Gamefreak didn't think of, but hey, it's an interesting connection to make, and even if that wasnt GF's train of thought, I still think the mere existence of said connection is at least a little cool.
Hey hey hey... now you are putting word's into poeple's mouths. I never said "NEW WORLD ORDER SAID THIS". I made a blanket statement about XxbreadonxX's rain abuser set. I said the only things walling it are rachi and rhyperior, I never said that you said that. To be fair though bronzong and ferro can do pretty well @ checking it as well.
Stooping to your level would be getting angry and insulting you, not responding to your post.
Once again it is all good man lets just chalk it up to misunderstandings and fun rants online.
Just so you can have an idea of why I said its walled by rhyperior:
Dargonite @ Lum Berry
Mild/Rash
Multiscale
252 SpA, 72 Att, 184 Spd
Dragon Dance
Hurricane
Outrage
Thunder/Waterfall/Roost
(As you can see, if u run thunder, and lack waterfall, rhyperior is a pain in the ass). The set hit just as hard as the tank set, but after a dd u actually attack before most things.... not after. If the more u dd, then outrage becomes more attractive. Lum Berry prevents statusers from stopping your sweep, (although full heal Specially Defensive Ferrorthorn with thunderwave will paralyze u eventually if it doesnt get confused). It also clears your confusion if you are forced to outrage.
Also.. I am aware of rhyperior not being in ou. He is quite rare to see tbh. Its just that the 2 times I saw him on ss teams, he has stopped my dragonite cold. With a Mild nature I dont want to take a STAB SE stone edge from that much attack. Multiscale doesnt mean shit to him.
Seriously, I know that you laugh @ my "dragon dance boosted hurricanes" but try out the set 1st before making a judgement.
Here is where you start to lose credibility.In the bolded sentence.
You say that a pokemon that can 2hko almost the whole OU tier 'does not hit hard enough for your liking'.
If this doesn't hit hard enough then what?
You have yet to give me a counter to this set,so i am still waiting.You know when you say that something doesn't hit hard enough you would expect it to get walled easily.But does this happen with Dragonite?
Do you want Rayquaza or Kyogre in OU?Maybe they hit hard enough for your liking.
'Cause in my book a poke that can 2hko a whole tier is the definition of a wallbreaker.
And with proper prediction and team support it does exactly this!Punch big holes in the others team!Like no other poke can!
Now if you can't predict well enough or can't provide the right support then this means that you don't like wallbreakers,not that the set is bad or outclassed.
This is another point but don't give me that kind of crap again pls.
Rain abusing wallbreaking Dragonite is A beast!!!
And before you say anything about mixmence outclassing mixnite watch it...
You may forget or overlook the fact that Nite has an 80 BP priority to work with and a 120 stab S.atc that doesn't lower your s.atck.Or Multiscale which compensates for Dragonites low Speed.
While I support the use of Rain Abuser DNite, don't be dumb and go on to say how the set can 2HKO the entire metagame.
1) It is slow as hell, so half the metagame can either revenge kill or survive the first hit and KO it.
2) Many Steel types I believe are certainly not 2HKO-ed by the set (eg. Specially Defensive Bronzong)
Rain Abuser DNite is an excellent Wallbreaker, however it's not exactly a "beast" persay, as I feel it's greatest merit is in the surprise factor.
1) It is slow as hell, so half the metagame can either revenge kill or survive the first hit and KO it.
2) Many Steel types I believe are certainly not 2HKO-ed by the set (eg. Specially Defensive Bronzong)
Rain Abuser DNite is an excellent Wallbreaker, however it's not exactly a "beast" persay, as I feel it's greatest merit is in the surprise factor.
Unfortunately, for Dragonite to be able to 2HKO the metagame, it can run what? 4 Speed EVs? It'll need life orb as well. Dragonite's base speed just plain isn't good enough for a wallbreaker without investment. You're also going to lose Multiscale after one attack. This means that basically everybody is gonna outspeed you and smack you with and ice move or something.
You still don't get it right?
Dragonite doesn't need speed for 2 reasons:
1.He has Multiscale to take most attacks with ease and then proceed to kill stuff.
2.He has strong priority!
Try to find some faster pokes that are not 2hkoed by Dragonite with one move(Thunder,Aqua Tail and Hurricane) and Extremespeed.
I said almost the entire metagame!
So come on and try to find some pokes that are not 2hkoed by Dragonite.
And when i mean 2hkoed i mean that if they are slower than it then they must take 2 attacks,1 when they switch in and 1 before they attack,and if they are faster they must be able to take the first attack on the switch in and the extremespeed after.
Also the standart 252/80 hp/def Bronzong is 2hkoed 95,6% of the time by Aqua Tail in rain with SR and Lefties calculated.
Specially defensive is even worse as it is 2hkoed 100% of the time in the same situation.
So pls tell me some counters!!!
Finally revenge killing doesn't matter so much 'cause it is not supposed to be fast.
Wallbreakers must not necessarily be fast.Their main goal is to break walls!
And that is what this set does!!!
The set i am talking about is this one 'cause i am not sure you for which set you are talking about...
Dragonite with Life Orb max Atc,S.atk,quiet and Thunder,Aqua Tail,Hurricane,ES
Latios can come in on any of those attacks and OHKO with its STAB if Dragonite has any prior damage. (And Specs Draco Meteor KOs through Multi Scale.)
alexwolf. How many times do I have to tell you. With your set, you lose Multi Scale after just one attack. So yes you do need that speed. Multi Scale isn't gonna do shit when ur at 90%. That "strong priority" you speak of is not nearly as strong as Adamant CB Extremespeed and misses out on so many more KOs.
Latios gets easily 2hkoed by Hurricane followed up by an Extremsped,even without SR.
NWO how many times do i have to tell you.After you start attacking you don't need Multiscale 'cause you can 2hko almost everyhting.And that is the purpose of this set,and any wallbreaker's in general.You need it only to take the first hit.
So it goes like this:You bring in Dragonite in something it can scare out,after something died,or in an resisted hit.
MS halves the damage from the attack and you start attacking with the apropriate move while your opponent switches in to a counter.
Also it doen't matter if extremespeed isn't as strong as the one CBNite has as you get all the 2hkoes you want.And you have yet to give me some pokes that are not 2hkoed by this set.
Get it now?
So can you please start telling me some pokes that are not 2hkoed by those 4 attacks in:Aqua Tail,Thunder,Hurricane,Extremespeed.
Jirachi, Chansey, Latias, Rotom-W, blahblahblahblahblah.
Jirachi counts although it is very shaky...Aqua Tail in the rain does :
367 Atk vs 236 Def & 404 HP (90 Base Power): 195 - 230 (48.27% - 56.93%)
which is a 2hko 90,53% of the time after SR and Lefties.
So if you don't get flinched by Jirachi you win.
Chansey is not OU.But let's see:
367 Atk vs 178 Def & 704 HP (90 Base Power): 258 - 304 (36.65% - 43.18%)
So with SR + Spikes she gets 2hkoed by Aqua Tail 95,6% of the time.
Rotom-W gets easily 2hkoed by Thunder + Extremespeed.Do the calcs if you don't believe me.
Here are the calcs vs Latias.The first one is for Hurricane and the second if for Extremespeed.The Latias is the standart 252 HP set:
328 Atk vs 296 Def & 364 HP (120 Base Power): 186 - 219 (51.10% - 60.16%)(Hurricane)
367 Atk vs 216 Def & 364 HP (80 Base Power): 127 - 150 (34.89% - 41.21%)(Extremespeed)
This is a 2hko if we assume average damage rolls,rocks and lefties.
So out of all your examples(for OU),only Jirachi was a true(not exactly but anyway) counter,which has been already mentioned!
Try once more...
As i said in the suspect testing thread it is easily 2hkoed by Thunder without even SR.
Not to mention how rare it is.
Does anybody have a good Mixnite set?
That's a lie!
The only thing i assume is rocks in the opponent's field and you are golden!
I told that Chansey is 2HKOed with SR + Spikes if you want not that it will happen every time.And anwyas she is a little bit irrelevant 'cause she is not OU.
Also Latios ohkoing Dragonite is largely irrelevant since dragonite is not going to switch in on Latios anyway.And i would like to think that Latios is not switching in on Dragonite also so i don't really see your point...
Finally about the thing where i don't listen to logic,just tell me where did i put an illogical and irasional claim.
Try to disprove one of my points and then come back to tell me illogical...
Rain abusing Mixnite is the best Mixnite i think!
The set is this:
Quiet with Life Orb max S.Atk/max Atk
Hurricane
Thunder
Aqua Tail
Extremespeed
Get in on something that you can threaten out or can't kill you and start having fun!!!In rain of 'course!
Well nice since this is all i wanted.
The set is not mine anyways and i heard it first from Eggbert.In the beggining i was a little unsure if it would be ok but when i tried it it proved to be an awesome wallbreaker.
And anywyay this whole thing started because NWO told that rain abusing dragonites are not good sets,and i wanted to clear this misconception.
Spdef jellicent is only rare because people are fools, and it's definitely not 2hitko'd by hurricane. Apparently with the boosting nature it's a 2hitko, i based the calcs off of starmie's i've fought but i suppose they had a speed boosting nature instead.
Still, i like LO nite, it's good stallbait. As long as i have a little mild prediction and rocks up it'll go down nice and easy.
Still, i like LO nite, it's good stallbait. As long as i have a little mild prediction and rocks up it'll go down nice and easy.
Man why use Hurricane when it is 2hkoed by Thunder?Or Hurricane + Thunder with rocks up?
Can't say it's viable since I've never used it myself. If you feel the need for surprise aspect of it, then feel free to run it, though. It's very unheard of when there's things like Dragon Dance Dragonite running around in the metagame. Plus, you have to account for the fact that Dragonite has a Stealth Rock weakness and doesn't revenge kill much. If anything, just use it in the lead slot to beat cocky Specs Latios leads.
as far as ou goes... dargonite kinda is the best pokemon ever....
sorry
EDIT: complete opinion but u get what i am saying