lol what is this discussion
Cloyster is OK and then Clamp makes it annoying. OU? Sure, I guess.. probably a BL pokemon if that was a real tier... is it a real tier ever? How is something borderline used? Semantics, I digress.. Anyway, I saw some Cloysters in SPL, pretty sure that helped my record more than it hurt it. Lapras and Starmie are both champs when it comes to dealing with Cloyster and my Tauros was packing Thunderbolt in a few matches just to be extra cute. To me, Clamp and Explosion is the selling point which makes Cloyster a unique pokemon worthy of consideration in regular play...
...which, in turn, is the exact same justification as to why I have no issue with Dodrio being considered a UU mon. Dodrio's one unique selling point is Drill Peck on Eggy and, sorry, you'll never get to land that unless it's the end of the game. In which case, you probably would have had a similar result with Tauros. Rhydon and Golem will be coming in every. single. time. against Dodrio. Your best hope is to Body Slam, snag a paralysis, and take comfort in the fact that now your own Golem/Rhydon will now be able to hit first in a head to head situation. Dodrio is fairly redundant when compared to Tauros (Persian is arguable, Snorlax is a different type of normal mon) and if you're doubling up those two, chances are Tauros was the throw in because "it's Tauros, gotta have it" and Dodrio was added because you wanted it.. not necessarily because you needed it. All this coming from "MrDodrio..."
Speaking of Rhydon and Golem, are we seriously even entertaining the idea of banning them? Many pokemon have no issues taking them out (I find them to be a liability at times, if I'm being candid..) and, hell, I'll partially invalidate some of my points above, if you're using a pokemon that really struggles against them (Zapdos/Dodrio/Jolteon), then you should be pretty prepared to work around them. Or, you know, don't use those liable pokemon in case you want to avoid the situation altogether. Seriously, guy, you have it backward. Banning Rhydon and Golem hurts UU pokemon in OU play, if anything, because now Zapdos is going to be on every team. I'd rather face a rock/ground type than Zapdos..
And, to stand on my soapbox for a moment, let me reflect on tiers in general. In real practice, there should only be two tiers: banned and unbanned. In the case of RBY, it's consensus that Mewtwo and Mew are "uber" and banned. Everything else in RBY is considered in the "unbanned tier." So MrE, does it really matter that Dodrio is classified as UU? Nobody's stopping you from using it in regular play and you should be happy it's UU if you're using the OU list as a subset of the "banned" list. This whole discussion of removing the BL tier and adding so and so to the UU/OU list... who cares? It makes no difference to anyone except the very, very few who think UU RBY is a worthwhile medium to play pokemon in. And Ban Golem Guy, sorry, but Rhydon and Golem are not centralizing, not overpowering, not uncounterable, not worthy of being added side by side with Mewtwo and Mew. So peddle your weak arguments elsewhere, or better yet, learn to play with UU mons a bit better instead of posting nonsense here. Might be more worth your time..
Sorry for the ramble here but I'm sure whatever I said was at least more sensible than Ban Golem Guy..