Guys, listen to PK and alkinesthetase. They're 100% right about cube versus stall. The real thing is that if I want a wallbreaker there's no way in hell I'm using cube. I'm using MixMence, or Hydreigon, or rain mixed Dragonite, or Choice Specs sun-boosted Fire Blasts/rain-boosted Hydro Pumps. And if I'm the one using stall, those are the wallbreakers I'm worried about. Cube is just secondary. Also, if stall has a revenge killer and it happens to be—lo and behold—Choice Scarf Terrakion (which is a great offensive mon for stall in general but I won't get into that) then cube is done for. Cube is just another wallbreaker, and quite ironically one that can be walled at that.
I've talked about this a bit on IRC. Lately, I've been using Bronzong on my sun team and it is so good in the current metagame. I've just been using the following standard set:
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Hidden Power Ice
- Earthquake
Don't use Toxic, you really need all of those attacks. Anyway, these are the reasons I like Bronzong:
- It walls the recent influx of Garchomp/cube. Garchomp's Fire Fang doesn't even OHKO in sun. It's got HP Ice for the former (2HKOes without investment and 3 KO YacheChomp) and Gyro Ball for the latter.
- It can set up Stealth Rock without losing that much momentum. It's sort of like an offensive Deoxys-D meets Ferrothorn thing, Ferrothorn is setup fodder for too much stuff imo due to its Fighting weakness and lack of really great coverage (although I won't deny that its Gyro Ball is pretty damn strong).
- Generally it's a useful pivot for Ground attacks, Dragon attacks, strong attacks, and everything inbetween. I mean it's not taking rain-boosted Hydro Pumps, but really very little is.
- It's got great coverage to not be setup fodder. Literally, Volcarona and Keldeo is about the list of Pokemon that can set up on Bronzong and not get KOed or heavily weakened in the process.
- You really don't need to support it. I've just been using it with Latias (which btw is an awesome core) and between the two they cover all the threats I need them to on a sun team.
More people really need to be using Bronzong on sun it's so underrated.
EDIT: oh and:
GatoDelFuego said:
Ferrothorn can "handle" kyurem, but it can't do anything in return, aside from gyro ball for the not-KO. Ferrothorn doesn't have reliable recovery, so if it doesn't kill kyurem on the spot then kyurem can just leave and come back to wreak havoc again. Putting down hazards is a terrible way to deal with kyurem, because it can switch right in on a stealth rock user and proceed to rape stuff. Unless a stall team uses something like SR Terrakion, then it can't get hazards up to deal with it. The same goes for genesect. It's not like offensive teams where you can just lead with deoxys and spam spikes, setting up hazards on stall is actually difficult.
16 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (141 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 294-348 (75.19 - 89%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Put a measly 16 Attack EVs on your Ferrothorn and OHKO after Stealth Rock. Really, the bulk difference is negligible and OHKOing cube, especially requiring that little investment, is awesome.