Focus Blast to deal with T-Tar as well. It can also run Choice sets more freely because it doesn't fear Pursuit. Speed alone makes Latios better though, the Fight resist is a bonus.What this guy has over Latios : STAB dark pulse and fire type attacks to counter steel types
I guess everyone has their preference, but I think Modest Specs with a moveset of DM / Focus Blast / Dark Pulse / Fire Blast is his most notable niche.i havent really found any choice set to be useful on this guy. i prefer life orb
Everyone wants to argue this for some reason (let's go Latiax/folg!). Timid is pretty much useless on Saz given the fast times in OU. Timid Saz just doesn't outspeed anything worthwhile that Modest doesn't outside of maybe... Haxorus :P. Unless you need him for that rare occurrence and to speed tie with other retarded people running Timid Saz, extra power with Modest is more beneficial. Thank god the analysis got it right.Modest specs? Usually the speed from timid, is better, can you list any notable pokemon you KO with a simple modest 1.1 times boost?
Lol buddy. It almost seems like you ignored the post. Those speed tiers do not count for shit and that is why he is free to run Modest. You're just advocating speed for the sake of speed. Look up the analysis because I just don't care at this point...What Haxorous uses is irrelivant here, if it needs adamant to KO something then thats why it uses it.
On the other hand if this "extra power" doesn't actually give you any useful KOs, then why use it? And even if you do get a KO on some pokemon, if the rest of your team deals with the thing fine, then you still don't use it. Why? Becuase that seemingly tiny speed drop is HUGE, it drops you down to the speed tier of 85! Which is a huge drop in speed, you have droped down 2 magor speed tiers, 95 and 90, and everything inbetween, for what? As I see nothing.
What Haxorous uses is irrelivant here, if it needs adamant to KO something then thats why it uses it.
On the other hand if this "extra power" doesn't actually give you any useful KOs, then why use it? And even if you do get a KO on some pokemon, if the rest of your team deals with the thing fine, then you still don't use it. Why? Becuase that seemingly tiny speed drop is HUGE, it drops you down to the speed tier of 85! Which is a huge drop in speed, you have droped down 2 magor speed tiers, 95 and 90, and everything inbetween, for what? As I see nothing.
Let's quote this yet again...What Haxorous uses is irrelivant here, if it needs adamant to KO something then thats why it uses it.
On the other hand if this "extra power" doesn't actually give you any useful KOs, then why use it? And even if you do get a KO on some pokemon, if the rest of your team deals with the thing fine, then you still don't use it. Why? Becuase that seemingly tiny speed drop is HUGE, it drops you down to the speed tier of 85! Which is a huge drop in speed, you have droped down 2 magor speed tiers, 95 and 90, and everything inbetween, for what? As I see nothing.
Everything you get outsped by when using Modest can do little to Hydreigon, with the exception of Haxorus who doesn't show up often enough to consider Timid.This is my reasoning as well, since I run Modest with some HP to capitalize on its decent bulk.
Lucario: Does not really run +Spe ever anymore since all of its sets run priority or Agility. And since Gliscor are slow nowadays, there is even less reason to worry about it - Modest with enough for 280 is all Hydreigon needs.
Haxorus: Not seen enough to merit consideration, IMO, but I guess you could consider it. Point for Timid.
Roserade: Can't really do anything to Hydreigon regardless.
Rotom: Wash form is either a slow bulkier variant or runs Scarf, so Modest is better.
Darmanitan: Point for Timid, though it likes Scarf as well.
Krookodile: Doesn't have the coverage options to deal with Hydreigon and runs Scarf anyway.
Excadrill: Unseen outside of sand.
Kingdra: Anyone using Kindgra will have rain up, so it is a bit of a moot point.
Heracross: I can't remember the last time I saw one of these, and even then the only sets that run Jolly are running Scarf. Then Gliscor is the best check for it in the game so it is easy to handle.
64 HP / 252 SpA / 192 Spe is the way to go. Maximum power, all the speed you need, and the HP let's it take things like Conkeldurrs +1 Mach Punch.
Since when do you outspeed Infernape and survive its Close Combat?252SpA Timid Hydreigon with LO
Draco Meteor vs Adamant 252HP/136SDef Conkeldurr does 82.6% ~ 97.3%
FireBlast vs Adamant 0HP/0SDef Breloom does 190.8% ~ 225.2%
Draco Meteor vs Infernape 0HP/0SDef Infernape does 129.9% ~ 153.4%
From my calculation, seems that Hydreigon can get rid of Fighting-types quite easily, but always be wary of Mach Punch from them
Error on my part. But Choice Scarf Hydreigon can outspeed Infernape and OHKO it with a Surf. Infernape running choice scarf is rare too.Since when do you outspeed Infernape and survive its Close Combat?
If Hydreigon is running Taunt, Blissey isn't going to be passing any Wishes. That's another thing he has over the other dragons: Taunt.Flygon is hugely outclassed by all the Dragons this gen, and Scizor alone won't survive Hydreigon's Flamethrower/Fire Blast.
Though Blissey has a chance to eat and consume all attacks, it can pass a wish before it has to switch.
I was thinking that he could run a SubSalac set but since he has less bulk then Garchomp it would be harder to predict a attack..
Blissey can still Thunder Wave your Latios then just switch out.Latios gets Heal Block, which works just as well against Blissey and blocks her
Leftovers. But Latios can't find a moveslot for it.
Heal block does not prevent lefties recovery as well, pretty sure is only recovery moves. The thing is you don't keep a latios on a blissey unless you want to trick her a choice item, but be prepared for the possible status. You could use taunt Hydreigon and U-turn pivot though, as long as you don't switch in blissey obviously.Latios gets Heal Block, which works just as well against Blissey and blocks her
Leftovers. But Latios can't find a moveslot for it.