I just faced one. Charge Beam does not even break the sub as I roar it out.Charge Beam Regice can stop it dead cold (pun intended).
Substitute on the turn it breaks the sub. Protect on the next turn. Substitute again.Octiller laughs at you, since you can't roar it away, and it will just Charge Beam up until it can break the sub with another move. Though it isn't very common.
And why not Energy Ball (sp?)?Octiller laughs at you, since you can't roar it away, and it will just Charge Beam up until it can break the sub with another move. Though it isn't very common.
Timid and Modest Octillery are faster than this Walrein...Because Charge Beam has a 50% chance of raising your Special Attack. Even then it still wouldn't work because it's only 90% accurate, plus Walrein can still sub+protect and the Charge Beam will never hit you anyway, because Octillery isn't exactly the fastest turtle in the pond.
Roar...Timid and Modest Octillery are faster than this Walrein...
207/189 (Octillery Max Speeds) vs 177 (Dragontamer Walrein Speed)
...and don't forget Ninjask (a very good friend of Octillery) and his Baton Passes...
What was the question, again?
Roar...
Edited: forgot bout suction cups
Anyway whats the use of being faster when after u break his sub, he jus sets up another one
It was only my opinion in that sentence...[...]because Octillery isn't exactly the fastest turtle in the pond.
Roar. If the toxic spikes are out like they should be, Lapras dies first.What about Lapras? It has Water Absorb, Thunderbolt, commonly uses Rest and Blizzard does lol% to it.
So it breaks the sub, and I can't protect against it... But if I instead use Surf instead of protect on the turn you use Feint, then it is essentially a protect because Feint will fail.anyway did some calculations just for fun...
Persian's Feint is stronger than Hitmonstops due to STAB...
With CB, Max Att Persian against a Max Hp Max Def boosting nature does 117-138 damage, more than a quater of Walreins Hp..
Tentacruel for me is a Special defensive type pokemon who has max HP/Sp. Def and can lay down a 2 layers of Toxic Spikes when Starmie or Jolteon switches in before going down.I've been using this set lately. Working quite well.
Tentacruel is the weakness link, I have a trouble getting it in to Toxic Spike. What EVs do you use on it DT? Mine is Timid with enough EVs to outspeed Adamant Garchomp but I think a bulky spread would be better.
Could a Forretress be a better choice for Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin?
Edit: Calm 252 HP / 72 Spd / 184 SpD is working well.
I've already stated that T-Tar is a serious problem. If the Toxic Spikes are laid down as well as a Substitute, you can roar on the turn he taunts (or Dragon Dances), then surf/blizzard as he breaks the sub if he taunted your roar.Do you know how many damage a crit hit from T-tar's Stone Edge will do? I mean, Sandstorm makes sure that you can't restore more health. NTM that most of the Tyranitars are carrying Taunt. You won't be able to either Protect or make a sub. Even Rock Slide is annoying as it gains STAB and has a 30% flinch ratio.
I have to disagree; with Spikes and Stealth Rock down this actually does a lot of damage with Roar.It's still nothing but a staller that can't threaten the opponent into giving a damn about scaring you away.