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Please actually read my posts before you respond to them.
Less absolutes, more discussion. I wanted a Cancerous discussion yesterday, I want an HD discussion now. "People who voted for him can't be mafia" is not a discussion, it is in fact very daft and self-serving.
I don't think you could be Courier, I think that you are Courier. But BT may be right and that might not matter to us at all. I don't know. I don't even know if you should come clean and explain how Courier works if you are it.
So lemme get this straight; a bunch of people throughout the day get on the poor Pokeguy lynch, including you and HD, but Fate did too so there must be a connection? And he unvoted to stifle a bandwagon, and that's bad suddenly? Cause that's actually a pretty fucking good reason for a villager to unvote.
No, once again, you might be not be anti-village or pro-village because you are likely the Courier. Who else did you think I was talking about? Is there someone else who has been tunneling on Fate?
You don't learn at all do you? Of course soft claiming didn't give him a free pass. But we didn't lynch him because of that, we lynched him because he was acting scummy. Your evidence against Fate is and has always been shit. It's bad enough that the mafia can narrow down their night actions now that he has soft claimed, we don't need you to keep rolefishing. Maybe it makes more sense when you're a Neutral, but for town it's shit.
Fatecrashers feel free to ignore Spiffy if he continues to ask for your claim.
I don't mean to just recycle other's material, but for now until I see a better case I agree with, I'm goimg to Lynch Fatecrashers
As it's been stated by both BT and Spiffy, there's an obvious connection between these two, and I honestly don't think the reasoning for the other lynches is as strong atm.
As it's been stated by both BT and Spiffy, there's an obvious connection between these two, and I honestly don't think the reasoning for the other lynches is as strong atm.
Okay, how did I get ninja'd by 5 minutes with a short post like that?
Okay, time for a wall. I'm probably never going to wall again in the thread after this.
First, the Haunted Diamond wagon 'starts' with Spiffy's reads list in #340. Immediately after is this gem:
This is really interesting, because he says this in a way that indicates he already knows that Haunted Diamond is scum.
Mental note to check for ButteredToffee's posts to Spiffy as the latter gets wagoned up; if he starts cooling down towards that slot, then this (#342) was likely a buddying attempt.
Celever's #344 is really bad with an HD scumflip; look at this:
Snipped the unimportant parts. Note how he's setting up to vote HD, yet doesn't want to immediately support it. He wants to make sure we know that his suspicions are separate from Spiffy's, yet he wants to snipe at Spiffy's reads. This looks like scum trying to manipulate the game state.
Pokeguy looks pretty town for #345. It doesn't look like a bus vote.
IDK, I think this post is town. I'm not sure what the game plan is here if they're both scumpartners.
Aaaaaand rssp1 starts white-knighting HD in posts 368/369. Not indicative by itself, but interesting to note that there has been almost universal support for HD-scum out of the several people that had posted on it. If he buckles later, this is probably scum.
aaaaagh this looks scum. I can't tell with this guy.
One thing to note is that Fate ends up unvoting the primary counterwagon to HD in #386. This indicates town.
I don't believe for a second that Spiffy is town for trying to get HD to claim his power role.
Scum are more interested in finding power role I already went into why that's a proscum stance, and the fact that Spiffy started the day phase with this skeeves me out.
Although reading a bit further in the past, I came across this gem:
Huh.
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Mental note for day 2: Anyone who starts the day trying to pass off HD as town for the post restriction is scum and the announcer is therefore most likely scum.
Here's another instance where Fatecrashers makes a statement that hints he knows more about the setup than everyone else does. Most of this is fluffy, but note he never once mentions a thought of the announcer being town in this post. He's probably scum that either knows the announcer is scum or is trying to muddy the waters.
Announcer is almost certainly town.
Celever pushes HD in #581 on shockingly small stuff. Scum are much more likely to pick up on the little scumtells than town are; he also looks incredibly confident in parts and almost indecisive in other parts of that post, all the way down to saying that he's just a feasible lynch after saying before that it's obvious he was coached. He then follows it up with a statement that Sunny's a good lynch for not being around. The backing off of #612 fits into this pretty well; I especially don't like how he's waiting for Spiffy to add to it before dropping it completely.
And now Spiffy is voting Haunted Diamond entirely for not claiming his power role. Good god. I'm not buying that the 'not voting for soft claiming a power role is for day 1 only' defense because that was used as a reason to do the exact opposite.
Celever #618: Eh. I'd think town would have made that connection earlier on when it was being discussed, not after the discussion was virtually closed, especially for someone you already think is scum.
Okay, WHOA. This statement completely destroys any towncred he got up to this point. Town don't play towards a specific end game goal, no matter what role they pick up. There's way too much uncertainty and potential for plans to go wrong for it to be remotely feasible. Scum have to play for a specific end goal because they have to plan to get mislynches all the way to the end of the game. If anything, this is a scumtell.
If Spiffy or ButteredToast ever flip scum, the other should be flipped ASAP.
Jalmont's #646-647 is scumlean. Muddying the waters and completely ignoring the conversation on flipped scum doesn't look great for him.
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I'm stopping at the end of page 26 for right now.
TL;DR:
1. Celever and Spiffy both look a lot worse with an HD scumflip. One thing of note is that they're very very unlikely scum with each other.
2. If Spiffy is scum, ButteredToast is his partner.
3. Fatecrashers and Jalmont are scumleans, Fatecrashers moreso.
4. Pokeguy and VonFiedler are well within town range.
First, the Haunted Diamond wagon 'starts' with Spiffy's reads list in #340. Immediately after is this gem:
This is really interesting, because he says this in a way that indicates he already knows that Haunted Diamond is scum.
Mental note to check for ButteredToffee's posts to Spiffy as the latter gets wagoned up; if he starts cooling down towards that slot, then this (#342) was likely a buddying attempt.
Celever's #344 is really bad with an HD scumflip; look at this:
Snipped the unimportant parts. Note how he's setting up to vote HD, yet doesn't want to immediately support it. He wants to make sure we know that his suspicions are separate from Spiffy's, yet he wants to snipe at Spiffy's reads. This looks like scum trying to manipulate the game state.
Pokeguy looks pretty town for #345. It doesn't look like a bus vote.
IDK, I think this post is town. I'm not sure what the game plan is here if they're both scumpartners.
Aaaaaand rssp1 starts white-knighting HD in posts 368/369. Not indicative by itself, but interesting to note that there has been almost universal support for HD-scum out of the several people that had posted on it. If he buckles later, this is probably scum.
aaaaagh this looks scum. I can't tell with this guy.
One thing to note is that Fate ends up unvoting the primary counterwagon to HD in #386. This indicates town.
I don't believe for a second that Spiffy is town for trying to get HD to claim his power role.
Scum are more interested in finding power role I already went into why that's a proscum stance, and the fact that Spiffy started the day phase with this skeeves me out.
Although reading a bit further in the past, I came across this gem:
Huh.
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Mental note for day 2: Anyone who starts the day trying to pass off HD as town for the post restriction is scum and the announcer is therefore most likely scum.
Here's another instance where Fatecrashers makes a statement that hints he knows more about the setup than everyone else does. Most of this is fluffy, but note he never once mentions a thought of the announcer being town in this post. He's probably scum that either knows the announcer is scum or is trying to muddy the waters.
Announcer is almost certainly town.
Celever pushes HD in #581 on shockingly small stuff. Scum are much more likely to pick up on the little scumtells than town are; he also looks incredibly confident in parts and almost indecisive in other parts of that post, all the way down to saying that he's just a feasible lynch after saying before that it's obvious he was coached. He then follows it up with a statement that Sunny's a good lynch for not being around. The backing off of #612 fits into this pretty well; I especially don't like how he's waiting for Spiffy to add to it before dropping it completely.
And now Spiffy is voting Haunted Diamond entirely for not claiming his power role. Good god. I'm not buying that the 'not voting for soft claiming a power role is for day 1 only' defense because that was used as a reason to do the exact opposite.
Celever #618: Eh. I'd think town would have made that connection earlier on when it was being discussed, not after the discussion was virtually closed, especially for someone you already think is scum.
Okay, WHOA. This statement completely destroys any towncred he got up to this point. Town don't play towards a specific end game goal, no matter what role they pick up. There's way too much uncertainty and potential for plans to go wrong for it to be remotely feasible. Scum have to play for a specific end goal because they have to plan to get mislynches all the way to the end of the game. If anything, this is a scumtell.
If Spiffy or ButteredToast ever flip scum, the other should be flipped ASAP.
Jalmont's #646-647 is scumlean. Muddying the waters and completely ignoring the conversation on flipped scum doesn't look great for him.
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I'm stopping at the end of page 26 for right now.
TL;DR:
1. Celever and Spiffy both look a lot worse with an HD scumflip. One thing of note is that they're very very unlikely scum with each other.
2. If Spiffy is scum, ButteredToast is his partner.
3. Fatecrashers and Jalmont are scumleans, Fatecrashers moreso.
4. Pokeguy and VonFiedler are well within town range.
Aimianki, I find it extremely funny how you have been riding me most of the game about how I "sound" yet you really haven't done much in the way of contributing or helping. In fact, you were were you on this whole Haunted Diamond thing because nearest my memory serves, you were pretty critical of me for it.
You started this game pretty good and I was impressed with your logic and reasoning. More and more as the game goes on I kind of see how little you actually know and how flawed your reasoning is. Especially when you come at me with more baseless accusations from way back in early day two.
Again, like Celever, you were one of the biggest obstacles to getting Haunted Diamond lynched yesterday. I'm still not sure if you were legitimately concerned or trying to actively cause it to not go through. But this "review" is pretty late to the party and I'm not sure what you're all trying to accomplish with it.
You started this game pretty good and I was impressed with your logic and reasoning. More and more as the game goes on I kind of see how little you actually know and how flawed your reasoning is. Especially when you come at me with more baseless accusations from way back in early day two.
Again, like Celever, you were one of the biggest obstacles to getting Haunted Diamond lynched yesterday. I'm still not sure if you were legitimately concerned or trying to actively cause it to not go through. But this "review" is pretty late to the party and I'm not sure what you're all trying to accomplish with it.
sunny004 who do you think is mafia and why (name at least one person and provide reasoning as to your choice)
how do you feel about haunted diamond's lynch and its implications (regarding, how did it change/or not change your view on certain players)
do you think spiffy is the courier and why? should we even care about who the courier is?
what is your opinion on lynching fate? do you think he is mafia? rehash previous arguments if you have to provide more than a "yes we should lynch him" type of answer
who are your top 3 mafia reads and give thorough reasoning (min. 5-6 sentences)
what is your opinion on user: mithril (please individually view his posts and tell us what you think about him)
how do you feel about haunted diamond's lynch and its implications (regarding, how did it change/or not change your view on certain players)
do you think spiffy is the courier and why? should we even care about who the courier is?
what is your opinion on lynching fate? do you think he is mafia? rehash previous arguments if you have to provide more than a "yes we should lynch him" type of answer
who are your top 3 mafia reads and give thorough reasoning (min. 5-6 sentences)
what is your opinion on user: mithril (please individually view his posts and tell us what you think about him)
PokeguyNXB should answer those too ^^^^^^
Okay?
You're going to have to provide more specific stuff than this because this vague nonsense is more discrediting than anything.
That doesn't look like setting up to vote HD at all to me. Could you provide some context? Was this before or after everyone got all up in his ass about not claiming? Post numbers mean nothing people!
Also, don't "snip unimportant parts" because things that seem "unimportant" to you could be a gold mine of inforation for others, or just help me to figure out context.
I came into this day expecting to be under fire, but come on guys, at least put a bit of effort into your cases! :p
sunny004:
Anwer right now please. You were viewing the thead 50 minutes ago, Jalmont posted the above about 3 hours ago.
What is your obsession with Pokeguy? Holy shit is the courier a politician or something? Pokeguy is simply apathetic, and it is really obvious. Notice how no one else is pressuring him? If you were to make a case on him I have no doubt in my mind that the case would be "didn't sure his thoughts on x and y" or other bullshit to do with inactivity. Not only this, but you have also DEFENDED sunny saying that Pokeguy should be lynched instead, giving no more reasoning than "I get scummier vibes from Pokeguy", no evidence provided.
Explain. Make a proper case on Pokeguy and a proper defense for sunny.
In which case that's a pretty big back pedal.
OK THEN make a case of why he was so scummy before HD's flip, and make a proper defense of sunny.
Amianki Your play style pretty much comes down to just listing everyone on earth as mafia, reciting theory like some kind of encyclopedia theory, and posting colorful charts and summaries. I'm not sure exactly what all you have done in this game that was constructive. You say a lot of things but they really don't have a point to them nor is it coordinated very much with the rest of us. And the bold assumptions you have made about me are really off base, and it makes me question what all else you have made that's off base.
I mean, look at this list of all your scum reads. You think everyone is scum. Which would be fine if you explained yourself but you don't really. You just kind of list and dance around with all this high end philosophies which assumes people have styles which play specifically into mindsets and roles. And it's kind of annoying and not helpful. I mean, I literally can go through all of your posts and chart out every one of your reads and reasons for your reads and how they change over time, but you're not that big of a target and really I don't want to do it.
But just looking at this "wall post" you made you have this summary... thing? And then at the bottom you top off with these really out of nowhere connections saying Spiffy and me are Scum partners and Jalmont is in the mafia, and so is Fatecrashers and though Von is somehow village because of his actions but not Spiffy or me.
It's all just these baseless statements that I think you assume we get where you are coming from. But you need to make a damned argument and talk about the points one at a time. Literally all of the information you gave in the post had little to do with the assumptions at the bottom. If you put together an actual logical argument of how after all me, Spiffy, and Von did with the Haunted Diamond lynch that me and Spiffy are the scum team and Von is a clear town read... maybe I'd understand. But it's just so weird and non-sensical right now that I don't get it. But I don't think you actually followed along in Day Two when Spiffy actually said that the Haunted Diamond lynch was terrible when I was fighting for it and just talked about the claim. It was me and Von who were the ones who pushed for the lynch and had him as the top read. Shouldn't we be the team? Spiffy just started it and left.
I also have been your favorite subject since you started and you've picked on me and over analyzed me on every single issue you could on baseless arguments on what you feel and all these high end mafia slips and reasoning you have on me. Which is fine, look at me how you want. But I know how baseless and dumb they are when other people don't.
I somehow lost all of this "towncred" I got, even though you have done nothing but go after my actions Day 1 and Day 2 (fitting you go after me day three) because you are picking apart words of a post from FOREVER AGO about what I saw as an end goal of Spiffy to get Haunted Diamond to claim. You obviously just look at specific words and don't actually understand the meaning behind them. And unlike rssp1, you dont ask for clarification for meaning or to understand things. You just moan and bitch how it's a grade A mafia tell.
Honestly man, all you have done is post baseless mafia read lists, discuss high philosophy strategy, and post cute little charts and summaries way after the fact. The going after me for the third day in a row despite outcomes in recent days has worn very very thin on me. It's great that you aren't convinced I'm village, but I shouldn't still be your number one lead right now. You haven't changed your mind on me since you first started playing this game, and I don't see how that kind of mindset works.
So here is the challenge. Instead of summarizing and analyzing the entire day 2, and posting all this baseless nonsense at the end... why don't you actually talk about something relevant. You say Fate is a scum read.
HOW ABOUT YOU EXPAND ON THAT AND TELL US WHY.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, move on from the huge ass lists of everyone is scum and focus on your #1 player for right now. And then we as the group can have something to discuss. Instead of mindless dribble and baseless accusations we can do nothing with.
I mean, look at this list of all your scum reads. You think everyone is scum. Which would be fine if you explained yourself but you don't really. You just kind of list and dance around with all this high end philosophies which assumes people have styles which play specifically into mindsets and roles. And it's kind of annoying and not helpful. I mean, I literally can go through all of your posts and chart out every one of your reads and reasons for your reads and how they change over time, but you're not that big of a target and really I don't want to do it.
But just looking at this "wall post" you made you have this summary... thing? And then at the bottom you top off with these really out of nowhere connections saying Spiffy and me are Scum partners and Jalmont is in the mafia, and so is Fatecrashers and though Von is somehow village because of his actions but not Spiffy or me.
It's all just these baseless statements that I think you assume we get where you are coming from. But you need to make a damned argument and talk about the points one at a time. Literally all of the information you gave in the post had little to do with the assumptions at the bottom. If you put together an actual logical argument of how after all me, Spiffy, and Von did with the Haunted Diamond lynch that me and Spiffy are the scum team and Von is a clear town read... maybe I'd understand. But it's just so weird and non-sensical right now that I don't get it. But I don't think you actually followed along in Day Two when Spiffy actually said that the Haunted Diamond lynch was terrible when I was fighting for it and just talked about the claim. It was me and Von who were the ones who pushed for the lynch and had him as the top read. Shouldn't we be the team? Spiffy just started it and left.
I also have been your favorite subject since you started and you've picked on me and over analyzed me on every single issue you could on baseless arguments on what you feel and all these high end mafia slips and reasoning you have on me. Which is fine, look at me how you want. But I know how baseless and dumb they are when other people don't.
I somehow lost all of this "towncred" I got, even though you have done nothing but go after my actions Day 1 and Day 2 (fitting you go after me day three) because you are picking apart words of a post from FOREVER AGO about what I saw as an end goal of Spiffy to get Haunted Diamond to claim. You obviously just look at specific words and don't actually understand the meaning behind them. And unlike rssp1, you dont ask for clarification for meaning or to understand things. You just moan and bitch how it's a grade A mafia tell.
Honestly man, all you have done is post baseless mafia read lists, discuss high philosophy strategy, and post cute little charts and summaries way after the fact. The going after me for the third day in a row despite outcomes in recent days has worn very very thin on me. It's great that you aren't convinced I'm village, but I shouldn't still be your number one lead right now. You haven't changed your mind on me since you first started playing this game, and I don't see how that kind of mindset works.
So here is the challenge. Instead of summarizing and analyzing the entire day 2, and posting all this baseless nonsense at the end... why don't you actually talk about something relevant. You say Fate is a scum read.
HOW ABOUT YOU EXPAND ON THAT AND TELL US WHY.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, move on from the huge ass lists of everyone is scum and focus on your #1 player for right now. And then we as the group can have something to discuss. Instead of mindless dribble and baseless accusations we can do nothing with.
How does Pokeguy go from "never contributes so he must be scummy" to "HD's biggest naysayer"? It wouldn't surprise me, given the ridiculous claims against him, if he put his vote in with another party, but I wouldn't even be mad if you gave yourself the most credit for HD's lynch. To suggest that Pokeguy said more than you, me, and BT is odd.
It should be fairly clear that you aren't mafia. Mind you bussing HD might have just been wise, and we don't even really know that you're a BPV at all (it's not like if their target was BG'd that anyone but mafia would know). But it seems fairly clear. And yet, you have not once behaved in a fashion that really shows a lot of concern for the well-being of the village. Everything about your actions is inflexible, tunnelly, and not concerned with facts. Not to mention the rolefishing. It just doesn't seem like you give a fuck.
And how's this for basing? The mafia rolecop thought you were Courier and gave no explanation as to why.
Maybe it really does no one any favors to assume you're the Courier, but the argument holds water.
ButteredToast
You need to chill out a bit. For starters, we've been getting on Amianki for not posting yesterday, and two posts ago you say that his recent posting is "late to the party"?
Now there's a lot to his post that could have used more detail to help me understand it, but for starters he didn't call everyone scummy. It really seems like you're "no you"ing right now. He thinks some of us are village, he thinks others aren't so much. As I said, you can't just look at everyone who voted for HD and say they are clean, and that everyone who didn't is scum. It's more complex than that, but you're dealing in absolutes all of a sudden.
I can appreciate being smarmy and aggressive against certain players, but I don't see Amianki as one of those.
You need to chill out a bit. For starters, we've been getting on Amianki for not posting yesterday, and two posts ago you say that his recent posting is "late to the party"?
Now there's a lot to his post that could have used more detail to help me understand it, but for starters he didn't call everyone scummy. It really seems like you're "no you"ing right now. He thinks some of us are village, he thinks others aren't so much. As I said, you can't just look at everyone who voted for HD and say they are clean, and that everyone who didn't is scum. It's more complex than that, but you're dealing in absolutes all of a sudden.
I can appreciate being smarmy and aggressive against certain players, but I don't see Amianki as one of those.
I said that HD was Pokeguy's biggest naysayer. As in, Haunted Diamond was out for Pokeguy's blood for the majority of the day. That is my basis for thinking he is not mafia in the first place.vonFiedler said:
Inflexible? Please provide an example because I don't really know what that can mean in the context of this game. Is this different from "tunnelly"? If not...vonFiedler said:
I fully admit to being "tunnelly" (assuming you mean singling someone out and aggressively pursuing them) and have explained why I think this is helpful. You have admitted to being "tunnelly" as well.
Please, enlighten me as to what "facts" that I haven't considered. The only facts we have are the dead players' alignments, and I have always adjusted my reads on people based on these facts.
Actually this argument seems fair for now as it's stupid to think the Courier can be deduced solely because of how they act (neutrals and villagers would probably act really similar in many situations), and this is the closest thing to proof that's available. But like I said it's really not great to assume you've got the Courier pegged and not consider other options when it's time to deal with the issue (if we even have to "deal" with the Courier).vonFiedler said:
I admitted to tunneling on one occasion, against you, and maybe that was a bit liberal as I did change my vote to HD. You on other hand go after people and keep going after them no matter how many people point out problems with your arguments. There's zero reason for a villager to do this. It is amateur at best.
Again, you can read literally any post I made responding to you for the bulk of Day 2. You can pretend they don't exist, but if you're really a villager then this seriously seems like a personal problem on your part at this point.
There's an assumption floating around, whether it should be or not, that you, me, and ButteredToast are kinda the golden girls for our role in lynching HD, right? And ButteredToast is a pretty verbose and valuable player. Even in his last post that I criticized, his errors were more in perspective than logic. Remember that this is what he had to say about you:
Which leads us to this thing that you've completely manufactured and built off of in regards to Fate. "Okay guys, I might have been TOTALLY wrong about them on day 1, but HD put a self-preservation vote on Pokeguy after Fate stopped voting him out of the totally townie concern over a bandwagon, and that somehow retroactively makes me not wrong about day 1". Well now we know that you're not the inspector, which is the only thing that might have explained such behavior. It's just a bit ridiculous.
I was checking the thread right before I went to bed (Close to midnight my time), sleep IS a thing.
Anyway, answers:
sunny004 who do you think is mafia and why (name at least one person and provide reasoning as to your choice)
This and the second to last question are the same so I'm going to answer this below
how do you feel about haunted diamond's lynch and its implications (regarding, how did it change/or not change your view on certain players)
It made me think that the people who were really pushing for his lynch to be more townie. Pokeguy, mithril, etc. However it is not safe to assume that they are completely town. Some of them may be trying to distance themselves from HD in order 2 get towncred.
do you think spiffy is the courier and why? should we even care about who the courier is?
It's VERY possible that he is the Courier. I took the liberty of googling him on the fallout wiki and, in case you didn't know, the courier is the player character, who can choose who he backs in the battle. I don't know if its the same thing, but we should probably find out who the courier is because its VERY unlikely that the courier is a serial killer type role (Be the last one standing to win). The role fishing makes sense too so he can see who he wants to join up with, etc.
what is your opinion on lynching fate? do you think he is mafia? rehash previous arguments if you have to provide more than a "yes we should lynch him" type of answer
The vast majority of the posts made by fate lack substance, and that is pretty scummy (I'm a hypocrite). Don't forget what spiffy said earlier:
who are your top 3 mafia reads and give thorough reasoning (min. 5-6 sentences)
Warning: I am HORRIBLE at giving reasons. So yea.
Fatecrashers:
Read above question
Aminamicantspellhisname:
Seems to be tunneling on Buttered, even tho butter is pretty town after the HD flip. Not sure though.
Celever
Not really sure about this one, but like I've said before the majority of his time has been spent tunneling me, and while that is just (With lack of contribution right now, I'd lynch myself), it seems to be the only thing that he does, not helping the town on finding other players.
what is your opinion on user: mithril (please individually view his posts and tell us what you think about him)
He seems pretty town to me. Ever since he's subbed in, he's consistently put support on an HD lynch. If I missed anything let me know.
In regards to the courier, I have been going through old threads and third party mafia articles on the internet and I'm really lost to what the win condition could be. People said something about a cult and reading that it seems broken as shit. So I don't think so. And the other third party ideas I found don't fit the pattern I see right now. I agree that being a BPV is a sign of a courier, and I can't say there are any better leads than him to be the courier. But like I said, I don't know if it matters. All I know is the role PM says that we win if we eliminate the mafia.
However, since Spiffy is so clear to call out other people for claims, and since the Mafia already (allegedly) knows he is a BPV and has said it to the world, I think he should claim his role. Role name, message, the works. If nothing but to clear himself of this suspicion/ reveal himself with a fake post. And put this behind us because we need to move on.
While I agree with Von about Spiffy, I agree with Spiffy about Fate. Going into the day, he and sunny were my thoughts on who best collaborated with Haunted Diamond. While Spiffy got the ordering wrong in his connections between Fate and HD, they did BOTH go after Jalmont, HD went after cancerous because of "blind trust" in "there being something to" Fates brief explination. Fate overreacted to the connection on them and did "something" to break the connection by voting for him, but it became apparent he wasn't willing to push that vote through. Oh and day two they both went after Pokeguy at the same time. Also don't really buy his "I was just kind of helpless so I didn't vote HD and went to bed" excuse he did. But these things don't give me that good of a connection between him where I'm calling for an immediate lynch right now. I think Spiffy is taking it too far on the demanding a claim. But if Fate wants to "easily prove" that he is village by claiming and save us time and he does it because he thinks it doesn't hurt the village then I'm down I guess. But without their role cop they're just kind of guessing at most people.
The people who voted for HD at the beginning I think are pretty clean for right now, but it was pretty apparent that HD didn't really care and gave up on his team and the game. You kind of have no chance but to bus him, but at the time of HD calling for a sub it seems pretty obvious that you hope to play it out for a bit and then jump on/ignore it. I think Fate did this. He was on the thread a lot and didn't say much. Though this could be just simple browsing, it could also be to discuss mafia talks. The flip revealed they do have day chat and they could have talked about what they would do with HD.
But yeah. I think that the mafia target comes from someone who didn't latch onto the lynch at the beginning and voted for terrible lynch candidates that might have caught on like Pokeguy. And Fate is all of these things, plus I feel he has been... lacking all game.
So yeah. I like the questioning, but I'm not sold on the lynch yet.
However, since Spiffy is so clear to call out other people for claims, and since the Mafia already (allegedly) knows he is a BPV and has said it to the world, I think he should claim his role. Role name, message, the works. If nothing but to clear himself of this suspicion/ reveal himself with a fake post. And put this behind us because we need to move on.
While I agree with Von about Spiffy, I agree with Spiffy about Fate. Going into the day, he and sunny were my thoughts on who best collaborated with Haunted Diamond. While Spiffy got the ordering wrong in his connections between Fate and HD, they did BOTH go after Jalmont, HD went after cancerous because of "blind trust" in "there being something to" Fates brief explination. Fate overreacted to the connection on them and did "something" to break the connection by voting for him, but it became apparent he wasn't willing to push that vote through. Oh and day two they both went after Pokeguy at the same time. Also don't really buy his "I was just kind of helpless so I didn't vote HD and went to bed" excuse he did. But these things don't give me that good of a connection between him where I'm calling for an immediate lynch right now. I think Spiffy is taking it too far on the demanding a claim. But if Fate wants to "easily prove" that he is village by claiming and save us time and he does it because he thinks it doesn't hurt the village then I'm down I guess. But without their role cop they're just kind of guessing at most people.
The people who voted for HD at the beginning I think are pretty clean for right now, but it was pretty apparent that HD didn't really care and gave up on his team and the game. You kind of have no chance but to bus him, but at the time of HD calling for a sub it seems pretty obvious that you hope to play it out for a bit and then jump on/ignore it. I think Fate did this. He was on the thread a lot and didn't say much. Though this could be just simple browsing, it could also be to discuss mafia talks. The flip revealed they do have day chat and they could have talked about what they would do with HD.
But yeah. I think that the mafia target comes from someone who didn't latch onto the lynch at the beginning and voted for terrible lynch candidates that might have caught on like Pokeguy. And Fate is all of these things, plus I feel he has been... lacking all game.
So yeah. I like the questioning, but I'm not sold on the lynch yet.
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