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Ok, I've decided to replace Quagsire with Celebi, although I feel like I'm too dependent on Skarmory to win against physical dragons. I guess I'll try Shed Shell on it just to prevent myself against DragMag, which completely screws me over now. But I honestly dislike Shed Shell, so what do you guys think it's the best option?@papai noel
I believe that your team could benefit a lot from a Specially Defensive Celebi with a moveset of Psychic / Perish Song / Recover / U-turn. You are very SubM Keldeo weak currently, and Keldeo weak in general, as your only answer to it is Tentacruel, which although sturdy, won't last forever and straight up loses against SubCM. With Celebi you also get a real answer to Rotom-W except from Chansey, which is ridiculously easy to wear down with SR and Volt Switch. Psychic is used to 2HKO Conkeldurr, which could be troubling, as well as Tentacruel and Thundurus-T after SR. And last but not least, Celebi owns both Vaporeon and Tentacrule, which you had troubles with.
Now that you have Perish Song on Celebi (to beat SubCM Jirachi, CM Reuniclus, etc), you can remove it from Politoed, and give it any of Encore / Refresh / Ice Beam or even HP Eletric to 2HKO Gyarados, which seems as a major threat. Also since Celebi beats opposing SubCM Jirachi, you don't really need CM on your own Jirachi, whih i assumed you used to check them. So you can replace CM with Stealth Rock, Protect or U-turn (for momentum, Magnezone and Dugtrio) and Psyshock with Iron Head, as well as use a Relaxed nature.
Finally if you go with SR on Jirachi, Chansey has a free slot to use Toxic, in order to deal better with special attackers.
Dragonite seems very redundant with Latias, checking similar threats and probably less. Mamoswine is a prevalent threat in BW2, so you may want to try either bulky Gyarados or Skarmory to better handle it. By adding Skarmory, you free a moveslot on Ferrothorn for something more useful like Thunder Wave, Bulldoze, or Leech Seed. You can now probably go specially-defensive on Jirachi, too, to better counter OTR Reuniclus and Tornadus.Working with a pretty anti-meta stall team and it works nicely, though for some reason after I made it people started to use Mamoswine in every single match. It may have some trouble against a sun team, but I haven't actually seen one in the past couple days of ladderingDragonite @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Hurricane
- Thunder
- Dragon Tail
- Roost
Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Thunder
- Iron Head
- Wish
- Protect
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 240 Def / 252 HP / 16 Spd
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Scald
- Rapid Spin
Latias (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Roost
- Dragon Pulse
- Roar
Politoed @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Perish Song
mixed versions can't realistically get passed Jirachi and ChanseyBy the technical rules, I am allowed one Pokemon who has an offensive boosting nature or invests fully in an offensive stat. Latias meets neither of these categories. The team has worked ok, I surprisingly have not seen a genesect, but I know I would have problems. Mamoswine and terrakion are big, so I put Jirachi as physically defensive to better handle them. If genesect walks too much over me, I may try another team, shamelessly stealing temp's landorus/rotom combo.
Also, if kyurem is unleashed, what would people suggest? Just give up stall for good? This probably isn't the best place to discuss it, but I'm curious how stall players would respond.
yah teams that run 252 hp / 252 speed sweepers are let in through this rule which i think is a bad loopholewhat if you did a team of:
1. Defensive Politoed
2. Ferrothorn
3. SUB CM Jirachi
4. Bulky Sub-Roost DDnite
5. Tentacruel
6. Tornadus-t
This is just rain balance leaning towards offense, yet it doesn't violate any of the rules. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just saying that it seems like there is something missing from the rules.