Creative / Underrated Sets Thread (Read the thread, NO SHITTY GIMMICKS)

Drako said:
Well, with 96 defense evs Keldeo's sub is not broken by Adamant Life Orb Scizor's Bullet Punch pretty much all the time (108 Evs for guarantee). Ferro's Gyro Ball and Rachi's Bodyslam won't break your sub without any defense evs anyway.
I would sacrafice Special Attack evs because Speed is too important for a salac set and Surf is still absurdly powerful in the rain, especially after a calm mind boost.
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Thanks for that. I already intended to drop the Special Attack EVs in favor of the defense EVs, because as you said, Speed is far too important to be lowered. Also, I didn't expect it to be bulky enough to absorb Rachi's Body Slam, that is seriously very impressive bulk!
 
I'm not sure if it has been posted yet but this is an underated set

Latios@life orb
252atk 252speed 4hp
Adamant
Levitate
-dragon dance
-dragon claw
-zen headbutt/earthquake/waterfull/shadow claw
-recover/zen headbutt

It is a quite good late game sweeper. Most people think it will be the standard special set so they bring in their special wall as you dragon dance up then nail them with a dragon claw. Dragon claw is your main stab, it is suggested to have recover and a coverage move but you don't need recover if you want more coverage. You life orb and adamant are extremely usefull but if you aren't using recover you probably should use lefties

Edit: I said Latias instead of latios.
 
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Landorus-T (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 Atk / 4 Def / 248 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

I really like this set for its surprise factor and incredible power. People will expect landorus-t to hit hard, but not this hard. It seems like all the other Nyandorus are running physical wall sets. While that set is amazing this one can sweep quite easily. The key thing for its success it the surprise factor, people will switch a forretress in if they think I am bulky. I run this on a sand team with tyranitar and when you see a tyranitar and landorus-t sand team you can almost assume landorus-t has rocks and tyranitar is banded. I still really like SpD tyranitar because it can still trap ghosts and psychics, but now it has chople berry to take a focus blast. This set can still check terrakion easily, with intimidate softening its blows considerably. I also use a forretress on my team, together they can wall almost any physical attacker. Rotom-W and Latias can usually handle the others. Gengar completes my squad a s wallbreaker and cleaner. When people switch in bulky steel types you set up. The next turn they switch out or go for a weak attack as you swords dance. Then a sweep is relatively inevitable. Opposing landorus-therian and gliscor are the best checks for him, Breloom and Celebi are not bulky enough.
 
Dcae said:
So I was playing around with random sets trying to turn them into deadly sweepers, and then I came upon this gem: SubSalac CM Keldeo. CM Keldeo is a pretty deadly set, but too slow for the current fast-paced meta game. This set paired with Salac Berry gains the Speed of a Scarf but deals huge damage through the use of Calm Mind. It can play a bit like a double dancer set, boosting Speed against an offensive team while setting Calm Mind all over a stall team. Combining the both makes it a bulky, powerful, and quick sweeper that smashes stuff to the ground.

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Keldeo @Salac Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Secret Sword

I am not very good at EV spreads, but I want to make this set more bulky on the physical side to be able to set up on Ferrothorn only running Gyro Ball, or Specially Defensive Jirachi, and increasing its ability to take priority moves. If anyone would be willing to help me input EVs that accomplish these, I would appreciate it. Overall, this is a set that deserves more usage due to its unparalleled combination of speed, bulk, and power.
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Walled by Jellicent.

If u set up a Sub, it taunts you
if you set up a CM, it taunts you.

Jelly walls your STABs, leaving you useless.
 
victinivcreate1 said:
Walled by Jellicent.

If u set up a Sub, it taunts you
if you set up a CM, it taunts you.

Jelly walls your STABs, leaving you useless.
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Yeah posts like these are completely stupid and unneeded. All you did was show us that you know that Jellicent resists water and fighting moves, congrats

Now onto Dcae's set-

This set actually looks really cool and I tried it way back in like January modeled after sub sd rak. The only problem I really have with it is that Water/Fight Coverage is much easier to beat then Rock/Fight which always made the set seem less effective. You could also pair Keldeo with Ttar to get rid of checks, but if you get to salac boost then, SS will start chipping away at your hp until you die, i think it needs 4 hits to kill you from 25 or lower %. Nevertheless, this set seems really cool as a late game sweeper and could work really well in tandem with Ttar
 
ThunderBlunder said:
Yeah posts like these are completely stupid and unneeded. All you did was show us that you know that Jellicent resists water and fighting moves, congrats

Now onto Dcae's set-

This set actually looks really cool and I tried it way back in like January modeled after sub sd rak. The only problem I really have with it is that Water/Fight Coverage is much easier to beat then Rock/Fight which always made the set seem less effective. You could also pair Keldeo with Ttar to get rid of checks, but if you get to salac boost then, SS will start chipping away at your hp until you die, i think it needs 4 hits to kill you from 25 or lower %. Nevertheless, this set seems really cool as a late game sweeper and could work really well in tandem with Ttar
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Yeah, the STAB coverage isn't wonderful, but I like it more lategame, and that's what teammates are for: to take out counters and checks. The reason I thought Keldeo is a good pick is due to its above average bulk. I paired it with a Ttar to take out the counters as well, which was really useful. However, when I'm playing Rain teams, I use Ttar to get rid of checks/counters, then I let it die so I can then get rid of Sand damage and get Rain boosted Surfs. It's a really fun set to play around with.
 
Dcae said:
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Keldeo @Salac Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Secret Sword
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I tried this same set out a few months ago and out of the 20+ matched I tried with it it only swept once or twice. I was unfortunately underwhelmed by it as I thought it had potential, but in the end it was just to easy to stop. :( .
 
anty208 said:
I'm not sure if it has been posted yet but this is an underated set

Latias@life orb
252atk 252speed 4hp
Adamant
Levitate
-dragon dance
-dragon claw
-zen headbutt/earthquake/waterfull/shadow claw
-recover/zen headbutt

It is a quite good late game sweeper. Most people think it will be the standard special set so they bring in their special wall as you dragon dance up then nail them with a dragon claw. Dragon claw is your main stab, it is suggested to have recover and a coverage move but you don't need recover if you want more coverage. You life orb and adamant are extremely usefull but if you aren't using recover you probably should use lefties
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I have a latios on one of my team with a set like this with dragon dance, outrage, earthquake, and hp fire with a life orb and it's good set to surprise kill Jirachi and Tyranitar(two of latios most common switches) with earthquake after prior damage.

Shuckle@leftovers
252HP/252SpD/4Def
Calm
-Defense Curl
-rollout
-Rest
-Toxic

After a few defense curls and sandstorm support, this thing defenses reach insane levels. The combinations of defense curl and rollout will gradually do a lot even with shuckles low attack. Rest is there to heal up and prior damage and toxic is there to wear it down even more.

This isn't really the best set to use, but it can sweep if used correctly.
 
I think Focus Blast OHKOes Breloom too, so you may as well use it. I'd rather that than U-turn, anyway.
 
I really enjoy using Whimsicott, she causes lots of unjustified rage quits...

this match is an interesting watch, I did no wrong but he used blasphemies at the end...

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-15129738


Anyway onto "one" of her many many many many useful sets...


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Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Encore
- U-turn/Taunt
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]

In the above set, encore is essential and you'd want to be using whimsicott with choiced pokemon as regardless of whether the opponent switches or koes Whimsi or not, encore prevents set up from most problematic sweepers. U turn scouts switches if you're feeling brave, taunt prevents hazards from popping up everywhere. Giga drain lets you do some real damage and threaten most rain teams and lets Whimsi be a rotom-w hard counter, hp fire ensures the primary U turn user in OU takes a nice big chunk if its not raining. Whimsicott might have only 76 special attack but you'd be surprised at how many Scizor faint to hp fire after SR damage! It can also 2hko some variants of Ferrothorn!
 
You might want to try out LO your Whimiscott, which ensures the OHKO on Scizor and 2HKO on Ferrothorn as well as Giga Drains damage output. Whmiscott isn't meant to take a lot of hits with the given EV-spread and the lack of Leech Seed anyway and when it comes in you're normaly encoring or taunting your opponent so you're probably not taking any damage at all.
Beside that, interesting set which probably works great with Lati@s, might test it out as well.
 
I actually managed to succeed by using a completely offensive version of it. It's more or less the same EV's you were using, but instead mine had Chlorophyll, special attack investments, and defensive investments for at least a bit of bulk.

Growth made its special attack shoot up to a good level, and then two attacks + Stun Spore made for a good field day.

However, the only reason why my sets involving that really worked was because of the surprise factor -- nobody expects getting hit with an offensive Whimsicott in the face.
 
Here is my innovative set of the day:

Politoed (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
-Waterfall
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake

This has different coverage and similar power to the specs set, since Politoed's attacking stats aren't much different. Waterfall is a must, being Politoed's best physical STAB move and hitting many neutral and weak targets heavily under rain. Brick Break is mainly for Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey on the switch expecting to absorb a special move with ease. Ice Punch is for all those 4x-weak Pokemon such as Garchomp, Salamence, Landorus, etc. Finally Earthquake is a final semi-useful move but is decent against a small handful of things such as Toxicroak and Ninetales. Adamant and 252 Atk EVs give maximum power, while 252 HP gives it nice bulk. This is basically designed as the physical counterpart to the specs set.
 
Explorer said:
Here is my innovative set of the day:

Politoed (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpD
Nature: Adamant
-Waterfall
-Brick Break
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake

This has different coverage and similar power to the specs set, since Politoed's attacking stats aren't much different. Waterfall is a must, being Politoed's best physical STAB move and hitting many neutral and weak targets heavily under rain. Brick Break is mainly for Tyranitar, Chansey, and Blissey on the switch expecting to absorb a special move with ease. Ice Punch is for all those 4x-weak Pokemon such as Garchomp, Salamence, Landorus, etc. Finally Earthquake is a final semi-useful move but is decent against a small handful of things such as Toxicroak and Ninetales. Adamant and 252 Atk EVs give maximum power, while 252 HP gives it nice bulk. This is basically designed as the physical counterpart to the specs set.
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I don't see what this set has over the specs set. Hydro pump is >50% more powerful than waterfall, and ice beam is considerably stronger than ice punch. You'd be better off with a more powerful physical water type, like Azumarill or Gyarados.
 
skeezyj said:
I don't see what this set has over the specs set. Hydro pump is >50% more powerful than waterfall, and ice beam is considerably stronger than ice punch. You'd be better off with a more powerful physical water type, like Azumarill or Gyarados.
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Surprise value

Spdef roton/celebi/anything don't like choice boosted attacks to their weaker end (especially blissey)
Would prob work well with other strong sp attackers
 
Choice Band Ice Punch does 46.53 - 54.95% to specially defensive Celebi while Choice Specs Ice Beam does 48.01 - 56.93%. Choice Band Waterfall in Rain does 34.65 - 40.92% to specially defensive Rotom-W while Choice Specs Hydro Pump in Rain does 43.23 - 51.15%. Choice Band Brick Break does 47.61 - 56.02% to 252/252+ Blissey, so even then the 2HKO can be avoided with Wish and Protect.

Don't use Choice Band Politoed. "Surprise value" isn't a good reason for using an otherwise inferior set.
 
this reminds me of when people thought belly drum darmanitan was a good idea in bw2 ou...needless to say, don't use bad sets just because of surprise value, as gibbs pointed out if the set sucks then surprise value doesn't mean shit because once the opponent catches onto your gimmick it's still just as useless.

and i'm pretty sure "no shitty gimmicks" is in the title
 
Ubiquitous said:
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Defensive Calm Mind Latias
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Roost
- Dragon Pulse
- Substitute

This set has been my personal favourite this generation. The EV spread is already listed in the OU analysis for Latias. Basically this more defensive EV spread makes Latias a better check for the numerous Fighting types in the tier in the early to mid-game, as well as letting her take random unSTABed U-turns, as well as not dying to Pursuits from ScarfTar and Banded Scizor. Towards the late game this set allows Latias to set up on various defensive Pokemon which now cannot break her sturdy Subs. Here are some examples:

0 Atk Careful Jirachi Iron Head vs 252/0 Timid Latias: 25-30%, guaranteed to break sub
0 Atk Careful Jirachi Iron Head vs 252/228 Bold Latias: 18-22%, never breaks sub
0 Atk Relaxed Ferrothorn Gyro Ball vs 252/0 Timid Latias: 39-46%, guaranteed to break sub
0 Atk Relaxed Ferrothorn Gyro Ball vs 252/228 Bold Latias: 21-25%, very small chance to break sub

That's just two examples of where a normal CM Latias would not be able to set up on defensive Pokemon, but with the Defense investment, her Subs are now extremely sturdy. In my opinion the ability to set up on a wider array of defensive threats, check Fighting types better, and survive Pursuits and U-turns more easily is more valuable than being able to outspeed a few random Dragon types, and therefore I believe this set deserves more usage.
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I must say that this set is indeed amazing. It just has so many opportunities to set up it's ridiculous.
I'd like to correct you about Ferrothorn's Gyro Ball tho, since usually the ones I've encountered don't have speed IVs, so Gyro Ball does more than 21%-25%, more like 33%-39%. It is still possible for Latias to outstall Gyro Ball PP, although it could get a bit tricky.
This Latias should be handled with extreme care, because even what-seems-to-be-meaningless burn could potentially ruin her.
 
Lavos Spawn said:
this reminds me of when people thought belly drum darmanitan was a good idea in bw2 ou...needless to say, don't use bad sets just because of surprise value, as gibbs pointed out if the set sucks then surprise value doesn't mean shit because once the opponent catches onto your gimmick it's still just as useless.

and i'm pretty sure "no _____ gimmicks" is in the title
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This is not supposed to be a gimmick. It is also considered a physical substitute to Belly Drum. Previous posts justify the viability of this exactly. Plus you don't have to rely on Focus Blast's terrible accuracy.
 
no there's no justification of its viability at all, just you talking about how it might be good in a theorymon sense. if you can provide me actual logs where choice band politoed does something useful then maybe it can be considered a "creative" set but as far as i'm concerned it's taking a pokemon that has at least some potential and ruining it beyond belief. 75 base attack and 70 base speed does not a choice bander make. and belly drum sucks too...seriously what are you talking about go play the game before posting these awful sets
 
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Starmie @ Life Orb
Trait: Analytic
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder / Psyshock
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin

Standard rain Starmie with a twist: Analytic. For those that don't know, Analytic works on switches, meaning that every time Starmie forces something out it gets to hit the switch-in with an Analytic-boosted attack. Here are some calcs that showcase Analytic's usefulness (on 2HKOes Analytic is counted only on the first hit):

Hydro Pump

  • vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Celebi in rain: 151-178 (37.37 - 44.05%) -- possible 2HKO with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 248 HP / 232+ SpD Rotom-W in rain: 144-170 (47.52 - 56.1%) -- nearly guaranteed 2HKO with Psyshock after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias in rain: 166-196 (45.6 - 53.84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn in rain: 159-187 (45.17 - 53.12%) --
Thunder

  • vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 354-419 (87.84 - 103.97%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 220+ SpD Jellicent: 265-312 (65.59 - 77.22%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 232 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 174-205 (58.19 - 68.56%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Psyshock

  • vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 364-430 (55.82 - 65.95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Jellicent: 235-278 (58.16 - 68.81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 56 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 185-218 (45.67 - 53.82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 64 Def Kyurem-B: 173-204 (38.1 - 44.93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Spikes
  • vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 175-207 (57.75 - 68.31%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Gastrodon: 226-266 (53.05 - 62.44%) -- 2HKO after Stealth Rock more than 50% of the time
Ice Beam

  • vs. 252 HP / 236+ SpD Celebi: 216-255 (53.46 - 63.11%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Celebi: 294-346 (82.81 - 97.46%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
  • vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 270-320 (89.4 - 105.96%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see, with Analytic Starmie can 2HKO some of its biggest counters without even predicting, as Hydro Pump followed by the appropriate coverage move can 2HKO SpD Celebi, SpD Rotom-W, and CM Latias after SR. Starmie can also do ridiculous things with Analytic, such as OHKOing standard Jellicent after SR with Thunder or doing ~50% to standard Ferrothorn with Hydro Pump under rain. Analytic should be used with LO and on rain teams, and tbh, the loss of Natural Cure didn't hurt as much as i thought it would, as i rarely switch offensive Starmie into anything, considering how frail it is and that i don't want my rapid spinner to easily die.

tl;dr Analytic LO Starmie is SCARY!!!
 
that actually is pretty scary, and you're right that the loss of natural cure isn't often a big deal, as most times the mere presence of starmie (which the opponent will automatically assume is natural cure, since it almost always is) will deter the opponent from attempting to status it especially if the switch is obvious. anyways, i'm super impressed. the calcs on jellicent and celebi in particular make it seem like this starmie would give sand stall one hell of a time. guess i'll test it out
 
That is actually incredible, making Analytic a lot more viable in general. I would also definitely recommend pairing this with Politoed (for instant rain) and maybe Toxicroak (to get around Tyranitar). Many people will assume it has Natural Cure and not bother to status it, either!
 
Yeah, most people will probably never understand that it has Analytic, unless they run calcs during the game. That is quite the original use of the ability, faking the Natural Cure while dealing out huge hits. Nice set.
 
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