I use this on my Hail team, and it works really well. I use it in conjuction with Spikes, rather than Toxic Spikes, and it does it's job really well.
In this case, so does anything with Roar/WW.I have to disagree; with Spikes and Stealth Rock down this actually does a lot of damage with Roar.
That goes without saying. You don't see anybody complaining about Skarmory's lack of offense, do you?In this case, so does anything with Roar/WW.
Skarmory has no plans of attempting to sit in front of your opponent for fifty turns in a row, either.That goes without saying. You don't see anybody complaining about Skarmory's lack of offense, do you?
Though I don't know very many people who run Rock Blast on Octy. Octy tends to benefit more from its diverse special side. Its main physical options are only Rock Blast, Waterfall and Gunk Shot and its offenses aren't nearly high enough to run a true mixed set.I just realised, mixed/physical Octillery does counter this. Rock Blast not only is 2x (Rock > Ice) Damage, but hits through Subs.
EDIT: Of course, this isn't much of a metagame threat (yet?), but running Brave/Quiet and like Rock Blast/Surf/Ice Beam/[Energy Ball or Charge Beam] could pose a big to this set. Pity I am probably the only person to use Octy :(
I lead with Abomasnow, subseed / Focus Punch works well in select situations. Raw Blizzard beats out most Jolteon leads so while it isn't a "good" lead, it works and gets the hail going without too much trouble... and there are some lucky breaks when Abomasnow just pwns the opponent's lead.Question: Aren't you having trouble keeping that hail going? I expect you're using an Abomasnow, but he has a lot of weaknesses so how do you cope with it?
Nope. I only stall as long as necessary, IE: till all enemy sweepers are dead. When I start going up against walls, I pull out my own sweepers and finish the job. There was one smart guy who realized I couldn't do anything to his Cleric Blissey, so I more or less roared for 10+ turns till his Electivire died in the hail / Toxic. When that was done, I pulled Abomasnow who subseeded the walls. (Blissey and Cresselia were left)Another question: are you having problems with running out of pp on this stallrein?
Thank you. Somebody here actually supports what I said.This is pretty (BAN ME PLEASE)y, especially when stall-wars begin.
Seriously Rain Dance Dewgong vs. Walrein is ugh(he still had 3 pokes but I had a lot of rain rests left =/) lol.
This seems pretty effective if you ask me. Good Job, OP.
How is this relevant to Walrein's offense?Skarmory has no plans of attempting to sit in front of your opponent for fifty turns in a row, either.
Unfortunately, the most exciting warstory I have is one where Walrein is not the MVP as I'm pinned up against a Magnezone... and when Walrein does become the MVP (like in a few 6-0 stall outs that I've done), the battle is like 50+ turns long as I sit and wait for hail to take out their steel pokemon, and then wait for toxic to take everyone else out. (At which point the opponent either leaves when he only has walls left, or goes "Kill me now" and probably played sub-optimally from that point on)Is there any chance you could post a warstory showing the effectiveness of your Walrein? I'm really curious :)
Obvious Choice here. Poison/Water Tentacruel resists everything Hitmontop throws at it, except Earthquake which is more or less protected because of Abomasnow's resistance to Earthquake.dragontamer sent out Abomasnow (Abomasnow ).
rycek17 sent out Hitmontop (Hitmontop ).
Abomasnow's Snow Warning started a blizzard!
Hail began to fall!
dragontamer switched in Tentacruel (Tentacruel ).
Hitmontop used Mach Punch.
It's not very effective...
Tentacruel lost 27% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Ah, good ol' Blissey. I got enough Sp. def to survive 3 hits from Starmie, so I'm sure I can finish the spikes job. Not to mention, I need to scout for T-Wave / Sing.rycek17 switched in Blissey (Blissey ).
Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes.
Spikes were scattered everywhere!
Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
One turn of scouting should be enough. Some guys use T-Wave 2x in a row, and I can't afford to get Walrein paralyzed in case he has a phazer.Tentacruel used Toxic Spikes.
Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
Tentacruel is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Tentacruel lost 27% of its health.
Tentacruel is paralysed! It can't move!
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
And I'm in against a blissey. That is game right there. Now for the long long long stall period...dragontamer switched in Walrein (Walrein ).
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Walrein lost 24% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Yeah, T-Wave was coming. Substitute blocks that.Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
Blissey used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
A little explanation here. The #1 priority is to keep Walrein's Substitute up. If it is up while I roar, then even GUTS Choice Band Heracross can't do anything to me. Blissey can not break the sub with Seismic toss (104 HP subs) so a good roar is necessary.Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein used Roar.
rycek17 switched in Hitmontop (Hitmontop ).
Hitmontop was badly poisoned!
Hitmontop was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is hurt by poison!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
This is why you need the substitute up. Nearly every sweeper is faster than you. So using Substitute on the turn they break the sub is how you break their strategy. I would imagine that a slow Metagross alternating between Meteor Mash and Bullet-Punch can get through... but I haven't tested it yet.Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Hitmontop used Mach Punch.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is hurt by poison!
Hitmontop lost 12% of its health.
---
Hitmontop used Mach Punch.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is hurt by poison!
Hitmontop lost 19% of its health.
Gliscor similarly can't do anything on me, except maybe taunt. I don't think EQ breaks the sub either. Either way, it is safe to risk your sub against walls and other weak attackers because simply put... you can easily put it back up while they switch out.Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Hitmontop used Mach Punch.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is hurt by poison!
Hitmontop lost 25% of its health.
---
Hitmontop used Mach Punch.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hitmontop is pelted by hail!
Hitmontop lost 6% of its health.
rycek17's Hitmontop fainted.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
---
rycek17 switched in Gliscor (Gliscor ).
Gliscor used Swords Dance.
Gliscor's attack was sharply raised.
Walrein used Surf.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 71% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
I can't leave a possible baton-passer in with a swords dance. So Roar is the obvious choice.Gliscor used Roost.
Gliscor restored 50% of its health.
Walrein used Roar.
rycek17 switched in Yanmega (Yanmega ).
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
In hindsight, this is a major error on my part. Yanmega can now use hypnosis on me, ending my streak. Fortunately, he does not. But keep in mind that using Surf impatiently here was a seriously bad idea. I should have just waited for him to die from Hail.Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Surf.
Yanmega lost 54% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
Substitute is back up, and I'm in business. Anyway, in a few turns... he dies to hail. Lets skip the next few turns to the part where...Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
Walrein lost 38% of its health.
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
He's setting up? What does he plan to do?Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
rycek17's Yanmega fainted.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
---
rycek17 switched in Forretress (Forretress ).
Walrein used Surf.
Forretress lost 46% of its health.
Forretress used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Forretress is pelted by hail!
Forretress lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Unexpected Chesto-Rest Forretress... either way, he couldn't do anything anyway.Walrein used Surf.
Forretress lost 45% of its health.
Forretress used Rest.
Forretress fell asleep!
Forretress's Chesto Berry cured its Sleep!
Forretress restored 97% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Forretress is pelted by hail!
Forretress lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
---
Walrein used Surf.
Forretress lost 49% of its health.
Forretress used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered everywhere!
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Forretress is pelted by hail!
Forretress lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
---
Walrein used Surf.
Forretress lost 47% of its health.
rycek17's Forretress fainted.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Hmm... Gliscor Earthquake does not break the sub. Good to know.rycek17 switched in Gliscor (Gliscor ).
Gliscor used Earthquake.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein used Surf.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 75% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
rycek17's Gliscor fainted.
Blissey is slower, and is unable to break the sub. So the typical Sub -> Protect -> Sub cycle is now...rycek17 switched in Blissey (Blissey ).
Blissey was badly poisoned!
Blissey was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes!
Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is hurt by poison!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
---
Walrein used Surf.
Blissey lost 11% of its health.
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is hurt by poison!
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Now its his last pokemon.Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
Blissey used Seismic Toss.
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
Blissey is hurt by poison!
Blissey lost 31% of its health.
rycek17's Blissey fainted.
---
rycek17 switched in Infernape (Infernape ).
Infernape was badly poisoned!
Infernape was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes!
Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Infernape used Mach Punch.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is pelted by hail!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is hurt by poison!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
There are some more interesting fights that I've had, out-roaring Skarms / Swamperts, an Aromatherapy Blissey and Moon-light Cresselia that I've managed to out-stall both and then finished up with Sub-Seed Abomasnow... but I didn't save those battles. I just saved this one because it was one of my 6-0s with this set and really shows Walrein's walling capability if you are not prepared for it.rycek17: never seen a walrien used like that before
Infernape used Mach Punch.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is pelted by hail!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is hurt by poison!
Infernape lost 12% of its health.
---
dragontamer: lol
dragontamer: New set
Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Infernape used Mach Punch.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is pelted by hail!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is hurt by poison!
Infernape lost 18% of its health.
---
Infernape used Mach Punch.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
The substitute took damage for Walrein!
Walrein's substitute faded!
Walrein used Substitute.
Walrein lost 25% of its health.
Walrein made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is pelted by hail!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is hurt by poison!
Infernape lost 25% of its health.
---
Walrein used Protect.
Walrein protected itself!
Infernape used Mach Punch.
Walrein protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Walrein absorbed the hail!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is pelted by hail!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
Walrein restored 6% of its health.
Infernape is hurt by poison!
Infernape lost 31% of its health.
rycek17's Infernape fainted.
dragontamer wins!
dragontamer: gg
rycek17: gg
rycek17 has left the room.