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I will be attempting to aid this project as a writer, as while I'd like to say I'm a good battler, I'm no Stone.
If possible, i'll take Blissey's overview. Blissey because the first few sentences are just a rant on how it's harder to use in BW then in DPP which could be condensed into one, two sentences tops. Current Blissey Overview (OU): Quote:
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also honestly Virizion shouldn't have a OU analysis. It just isn't OU tier.
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Honestly, I initially wanted to have people reserve whatever overviews they wanted (even if someone else already did) and just choose the best (foster competition etc.) because my goal for this project is solely quality, not efficiency (i dont care when it finishes).
However, I had truly underestimated (more forgotten) how writing brings out the bitchiness in users...so, not for efficiency's sake but more my sanity's sake, I'll just go with 1 overview can only have 1 person reserve it, and if a current analysis is being written, the writer for the overview defaults to that analysis writer and others can advise on it. I'll work to update the op with who has reserved what full analyses and make writer -> adviser changes for whoever already posted in this thread.
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I think people are a little all over the place atm on the overviews, so after a chit chat on irc, we've come up with a small template of sorts.
First, a strong, concise statement about the Pokemon's general performance in the BW2 OU tier (first and upfront so the reader knows exactly what he is dealing with). Then, if applicable, a brief description of how it has changed from previous Gen OUs (so people looking to compare generational roles know where to start). The previous two can even be a single statement as long as it is clear and informative. Finally, and this is the brunt of the overview, why you should use this Pokemon. This encompasses two main things: its strategies (note strategies, like hazards stacking on Deoxys-D, not moves / items, like Dragon Dance on Salamence or Focus Sash on Alakazam; the latter are overly specific for an overview, unless of course you feel those specifics are the LARGE majority of what a Pokemon does) and how it does something notable in comparison to similar pokemon (try to keep this very brief, though this may also be an instance where you get specific). The overview shouldn't dwell (too much) on specifics, unless the specific is "iconic" on the Pokemon (I can understand mentioning Multiscale on Dragonite, or Drizzle on Politoed, or Spikes on Deoxys-D), and the overview shouldn't deal with counters / checks (we have a separate section for that). Remember, we're focusing more on breadth here, not depth. Depth is the individual set description part. Here is something close to what I'm looking for, and I ask most of the writers to try to follow this example of posting the current overview, why it should be updated, your fix, and what your fix does better: Sableye: Current Sableye overview - While Sableye has been considered a mediocre Pokemon in past generations, it received a godsend from the Dream World in the form of Prankster, an ability that gives an added +1 priority to all non-attacking moves. Not only is it the only Ghost-type with Prankster, but it is also the only Pokemon with this ability that has access to both Recover and Will-O-Wisp. Add to this the fact that Sableye is immune to many attacking moves with priority, and you have an insanely annoying Pokemon that can cripple entire teams—if the opponent doesn't quit beforehand. However, despite these perks, it is still an all-around mediocre Pokemon outside of Prankster, with none of its base stats exceeding 75. Furthermore, Sableye can only really switch in to a few select Pokemon, like Alakazam, Reuniclus, or Skarmory. However, Sableye is still a Pokemon you can trust to perform its job well on your team. Why I think this should be altered - I think overall it's a bit wordy, and could do with more relevant information. It also doesn't mention that while yes, it can annoy teams, its main role is a spin blocker that annoys teams. Also nothing mentioning how it is unique in practice from other similar Pokemon. Yes, it mentions the ghost typing and prankster, but it doesn't mention something important like being the premier sun spinblocker, which is a practical reason to use it as opposed to something theoretical. Also seems a bit outdated, calling Sableye "mediocre," which it certainly isn't, especially in BW2 OU. My proposed overview - Sableye, pitiful in previous generations, thanks Arceus for respect in BW2 OU due to the combination of Prankster and a collection of Prankster-abusable moves, like Taunt, Recover, and Will-O-Wisp. It has three primary roles in BW2: to act a spinblocker, to cripple physical offense with priority Will-O-Wisp, and to break stall with priority Taunt. While Sableye has utility on most team archetypes, it is important to note that it is the premier spinblocker on Sun teams, as Drought allows it to easily beat Tentacruel and Starmie while Will-O-Wisp and Taunt allow it to take care of Donphan and Forretress. Why this overview should be the update - I cut out a lot of the fat and just mentioned the main reasons to use Sableye (Prankster + 3 moves). I talked about its 3 main roles and mentioned something notable it does for spinblockers. Honestly, Sableye was probably easier than other OU Pokemon, as its only real set is Recover / Taunt / WoW / Dark Move (the calm mind set listed isn't serious in BW2 OU anymore) and its actually decent enough to not have to dwell on why it is bad. The overview should just quickly tell the reader how the pokemon is in ou (is it good, bad, or decent), how it compares to previous generations, what its main strategies are, and something notable about it.
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Here is the Celebi Overview. I have mentioned that Celebi struggles with Genesect and Tornadus-T around, but i don't think that the overview should be particularly negative, as Celebi is still a pretty good poke that has a lot of good qualities, such as being the best Keldeo counter in the tier, and checking Thundurus-T, SubCM Jirachi, and rain teams in general. Not to mention it is a fantastic pivot with exceptional utility moves. Rotom-W
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Deoxys-D Since its cousin Deoxys-S was banished from the tier, Deoxys-D has risen to its place as the most threatening lead in the OU metagame. Because of its consistency and efficiency, Deoxys-D is the premier supporter on Weather-less offensive teams, as entry hazards quickly become an even greater advantage than controlling the weather. With the rare trifecta of Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Taunt, opponents can only gaze disappointedly as Deoxys-D sets up multiple layers of entry hazards while they are unable to set up even a single layer themselves.
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[Overview] <p>Although its stats indicate otherwise, Deoxys-D is the premier offensive spike-stacker in the OU metagame. Its base 90 Speed stat allows it to outpace just what it needs to, while its enormous bulk make it impossible to take down in one blow, allowing the user to get at least one, if not two, layers of entry hazards set. This consistency appeals to many players, and as the generation has progressed, so has Deoxys-D's recognition as one of the best. Not only does it have the tools necessary to be a great spike-stacker, but it can also run certain moves to ensure that its work cannot be blown by common Rapid Spinners. It has essentially defined the new, fast pace BW2 metagame, as it is used on nearly every hyper offensive team. Unfortunately for Deoxys-D, it is a Psychic-type, which leaves it vulnerable to many common attackers, most notably Genesect and Tyranitar. It also has no way of breaking through either of the Magic Bounce users, Espeon and Xatu, rendering it essentially useless as long as those Pokemon are in battle. Despite these flaws, Deoxys-D has risen up to the creme of the crop, firmly holding a position as one of the elite.</p> Both are good and what I'm looking for, and initially, when I wanted multiple people to be able to reserve an overview and compete for the best, this is exactly what I wanted. However, since yesterday I realized people can be massive bitches when it comes to writing, we're going with the writer is the reserved analysis person. That said, I like how myzozoa explicitly mentions "lead" (because that is what deoxys-d does) and how he specifically says "weatherless offense," because deo-d is iconic on weatherless offense, and newer readers need to know that. If we could get pttp to mention lead and weatherless offense, this overview would be perfect to me. I also don't think pttp just mentioning hyper offense is enough because while weatherless offense could fall under that umbrella, there needs to be specific mention of where the reader will see deo-d mostly (weatherless offense teams).
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Like a plethora of other Pokemon that were hopelessly useless in DPP, Sharpedo went from a sub-par attacker to a legitimate BW OU threat as a result of its new Dream World Ability. Sharpedo is used almost exclusively as a Life Orb sweeper on offensive rain teams, utilizing Protect to nab a free Speed Boost and then attempting a sweep with its great movepool and deadly dual STAB. Thanks to impressive mixed attacking stats, Sharpedo can choose to go either fully physical or mixed, and it has access to powerful moves such as Waterfall, Crunch, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Earthquake. While Sharpedo possesses all the tools it needs to be a top-tier sweeper, its hampered by its pitiful defenses that rank among the worst in the entire game, meaning it can't even switch into resisted attacks. Sharpedo is also almost completely walled by the one Pokemon that almost always gives rain teams the shivers: Ferrothorn. However, when played to its strengths as a late-game cleaner with Drizzle support, Sharpedo can prove to be both a unique and useful offensive presence.
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thanks for the gp checks mafeking! and yeah for hitmontop i feel that translated is the best word to use in that scenario hitMONSTERtop [gp 1/2] <p>In such a fast, high-paced offensive metagame, many average Pokemon often get spun under the table. Hitmontop has been more or less relegated to this role—its offensive capabilities are lackluster in comparison to other Fighting-types in Terrakion and Conkeldurr, while its defensive capabilities are restricted due to a lack of reliable recovery. However, all is not lost for Hitmontop, as the offensive metagame has translated into a flux of spike-stacking teams, often times with the usage of multiple physical attackers. With Intimidate and Rapid Spin in its arsenal, Hitmontop is able to carve itself a niche as an ever-valuable Rapid Spin user that is also able to beat dangerous physical threats such as Terrakion and Lucario. Hitmontop is an incredibly limited Pokemon in terms of versatility outside of these two roles, but they might just be what you need to succeed.</p> STARaptor [gp 1/2] <p>Unfortunately for Staraptor, it has been banned into the barren wasteland known as BL. Too strong for UU, but too weak to be used consistently in OU, it struggles to find a place on most teams. Its weakness to Stealth Rock and paper-thin defenses contribute to this, as it has a hard time switching in unless after a kill. Despite having Close Combat in its movepool to alleviate the poor coverage between its STABs, it struggles to break through certain Steel-types, such as Jirachi. Its 100 base Speed puts it in an awkward position, as with a Choice Band equipped, it just isn't fast enough to be effective in a metagame flooded with speedy attackers, and with a Choice Scarf attached, it struggles to do enough damage. On the bright side, it receives a nifty Dream World ability in Reckless, which powers up its main two STABs, Brave Bird and Double-Edge, to incredible levels. It also has access to U-turn, an excellent move in a metagame based so heavily on momentum. Although a rather risky Pokemon to use, Staraptor can perform well under favorable conditions.</p> SCRAFTY [gp 1/2] <p>It is safe to say that Scrafty is not the Pokemon it once was in BW1, and its drop from OU to UU reflects that. With the new, powerful Pokemon that BW2 has brought in the form of rain attackers, namely Keldeo and Tornadus-T, Scrafty just cannot find its place in the metagame. Its bulk cannot withstand the onslaught of attacks that it is bound to take from such threats, and even if it manages to get a Dragon Dance boost, it is still outsped by Tornadus-T. Unfortunately, the transition to a fast paced metagame means that Scrafty's main perk in beating stall has been nullified, as stall is no longer nearly as prevalent as it was in BW1. Although extremely vulnerable to the multitude of rain attackers, Scrafty still maintains its dominance over most sand teams, and that in itself could warrant a slot on your team if desperate.</p> NINJABUG [gp 1/2] <p>Ninjask has been in existence for three generations, and its job hasn't changed since its inception. Ninjask's main goal is to accumulate as many Speed boosts as possible in order to start a successful Baton Pass chain. In this role, it is second to none, and should be expected on every Baton Pass team. To put it simply, Baton Pass based teams do not and cannot work without Speed boosts to begin the chain, and no Pokemon accumulates Speed boosts nearly as effectively or reliably as Ninjask. However, with the introduction of BW came Ninjask's new main enemy: Prankster. Ninjask is entirely vulnerable to Prankster Taunts and, consequently, the entire chain is ruined by this pesky strategy. Either way, if you're looking to build a Baton pass team, always start at Ninjask.</p> DUGGYDUGGY [gp 1/2] <p>Dugtrio is a very specialized Pokemon, its main use is to maintain control of the weather wars that dominate the metagame through the means of Arena Trap. It is used primarily on sun offense teams for its ability to to trap and KO weakened weather starters such as Tyranitar and Politoed, while also being able to eliminate Pokemon that threaten sun teams such as Terrakion. However, its usage is not limited to sun offense as it commonly finds itself a place on offensive rain teams for its ability to dispose of Pokemon that would normally be a hassle to defeat. Threats such as Ninetales and Tyranitar are now hesitant to switch in out of fear of being trapped by Dugtrio and thus losing the weather war, while Steel-types such as Jirachi have to second guess about switching into Tornadus-T due to Dugtrio's presence. Despite this, Dugtrio is not without its flaws. It has a mediocre Attack, meaning that in order to cause any real damage, it must hit its target super effectively, and even then it struggles to do meaningful damage. Its non-existent defenses mean that it can only come in after a kill, or with excellent prediction. Combine these two things together, and if Dugtrio is not facing an opposing weather team, it will often be dead-weight. Nevertheless, with the dependence on winning the weather war in the metagame, Dugtrio is one of the more important Pokemon in the tier.</p> virizion [gp 1/2] <p>Although Virizion didn't gain or lose anything with the introduction of BW2, the transition from BW1 to BW2 was not a kind one. In BW1, it was used as a check to the multiple threats that rain offense had to provide, but in BW2, it has turned into a burden when facing rain offense. With Pokemon such as Tornadus-T and Genesect being common sights on rain offense, Virizion doesn't stand a chance against the prominent playstyle. Everything in the metagame has gotten faster and stronger, leaving Virizion struggling to keep pace. As such, it has experienced the drop from OU to UU and is probably going to stay there for the foreseeable future. It still does have the niche of being able to check sand offense teams with its two STABs, but now faces competition from Breloom as the primary Grass / Fighting type Pokemon, with Breloom having the advantage thanks to Spore and Mach Punch. The last year has been a tough one for Virizion, and all indications show that that trend will continue.</p> rock bird on site already so...[gp 2/2]? <p>With Team Preview required in all standard BW battles, Aerodactyl's role as a suicide lead from DPP has been greatly hampered. No longer can it prevent the opponent from setting up Stealth Rock; they can just set it up later. As such, Aerodactyl has seen a great drop in usage, dropping from the mantle of OU all the way to down to RU. Its lacking defenses and Stealth Rock weakness make it almost useless mid-game, limiting its roles greatly. On the bright side, the one thing it hasn't lost over the generation shift is its ability to set up Stealth Rock—its amazing Speed allows it to set up the entry hazard with remarkable consistency. Add to that the fact that most players don't account for Aerodactyl when they make their team, and you might just have yourself a key cog to your team. In such a fast-paced, offensive metagame, this niche is more than enough reason to use Aerodactyl.</p> the ACTUAL deo-d overview [gp 1/2] <p>Although its stats indicate otherwise, Deoxys-D is the premier offensive lead spike-stacker in the OU metagame. Its base 90 Speed stat allows it to outpace just what it needs to, while its enormous bulk makes it impossible to take down in one blow, allowing the user to get at least one, if not two, layers of entry hazards set. This consistency appeals to many players, and as the generation has progressed, so has Deoxys-D's recognition as one of the best. Not only does it have the tools necessary to be a great spike-stacker, but it can also run certain moves to ensure that its work cannot be blown away by common Rapid Spin users. It has essentially defined the new, fast-paced BW2 metagame, as it is used on nearly every hyper offensive (specifically weatherless offensive) team. Unfortunately for Deoxys-D, it is a Psychic-type, which leaves it vulnerable to many common attackers, most notably Genesect and Tyranitar. It also has no way of breaking through either of the Magic Bounce users, Espeon and Xatu, rendering it essentially useless as long as those Pokemon are in battle. Despite these flaws, Deoxys-D has risen up to the creme of the crop, firmly holding a position as one of the elite.</p>
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It's quite obvious where Chansey's strength is, her and her sister Blissey best the game in special walling, by miles. However, in the very rare case of BW2 they are unable to do so. New special threats are the reason, Tornadus-T, Keldeo, and Thundurus-T being the new faces of rain and Venusaur getting Giga Drain mean Chansey loses to the most powerful special threats. With it's performance as a special wall it becomes at best an average Stealth Rock setter if anything. If you do decide to use a blob, residual damage is the key in deciding which to use. If you are using a Sandstorm or Hail summoner on your team, Blissey's benefits from Leftovers will far outweigh those of Chansey's extra bulk. Without them, Chansey's bulk generally gives it the nod. Jellicent- Jellicent is the bulkiest Ghost-type available in OU tier and with it's useful Water-typing it has consistently remained viable throughout BW. I'll finish the rest + Machamp later and reserve Skarm for now. |
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