Sandstorm is not the only staller! (OU RMT)

Delko · Dec 17, 2009

TEAM UPDATE!
Final version can be found -> here <-

1. Introduction

Hello

This will be my first team that I created after I changed my name. (I was BlackScizor before). Since my computer has crashed I lost all my teams on shoddy. That's when I decided to create a new one, it has been a long time actually. I wanted to build a weather team but after trying a Sandstorm team I just wasn't to happy. Mostly because people are well known with SS-teams since most of them include Hippowdon, etc. After that I decided to try my luck on a Hail team. This is less known by people and it able to play stall just as easy as Sandstorm teams. Besides Hail teams are less common then SS-teams so most people will have less counters. Playing with a hail team also offers me a solid counter against Rain Dance teams.

This team was build after I've read the article of hail-stall from Legacy Raider. When I made hail teams in the past, they looked like mono-type Ice teams or were at least very offensive. For some reason they did not do very good, maybe this has something to do with the fact that Ice isn't a very good offensive type. So when I've read the article I understood the concept of Hail teams a lot better. I also found out that stall teams do not always have to be made out of Sandstorm teams and resisted pokemon. Hail stall is much more efficiënt because the only type being immune to Hail is Ice, which isn't a very common type, while Sandstorm is resisted by Ground, Rock and Steel types. Of course a disadvantage of only one resisted type is that most of my own team members will get hurt by Hail as well. This could be fixed by using only Ice types or pokemon with the ability Magic Guard (the Clefairy familly). But this left my team with to much weaknesses, mostly Rock, Fighting and Fire. So there has to be other types involved in the team, of course resisted to prementioned types. The problem of Hail damage could be fixed with the Items Leftovers or Black Sludge (for Poison types). Without further abdue let's go to the team!

2. In Depth Look

It should be obvious that because this is a Hail team, the lead is Abomasnow, the only pokemon with the ability Snow Warning to automaticly start Hail at the beginning of the match. I didn't want to relay on the move Hail because it vanish after a 5 turns (or after 8 turns with the item Icy Rock). Besides the move Hail will cost me place on a moveset which I cannot afford.

There are many kinds of Abomasnow but because this is a Stall I opted for a defensive type of Abomasnow. Since it is weak to moves like Stone Edge and Dynamic Punch I choose to make him Specialy bulky. The aformentioned moves are covered by Hariyama and Rotom-h while Abomasnow make a good switch-in against Latias or a Rotom form (not able to use Overheat) because he resists Thunderbolt and Surf, moves that could be dangerous for Heatran and Tentacruel/ Wallrein.

Ymer the Abomasnow @ Leftovers/ Calm (Sassy)/ Snow Warning
252 HP, 6 SAtk, 252 SDef

- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Blizzard
- Protect (Focus Punch)

--> Special Bulky Abomasnow makes a great lead for Hail stall teams. And maybe even the only one. Most of the time I switch it out again after Hail has been set up. Hoping my opponent will do the same. The idea of stalling with this guy is like the same as with Wallrein, with the addition of Leech Seed. If my opponent get's seeded he will most likely switch-out. Letting me getting my Substitute up pretty easily. If my opponent switches in a Fire Type (or anyting else I can't hurt with my single attack move) I'll use Leech seed again followed by Protect the next turn. Together with Hail this will still deal a lot of damage although I haven't attacked once. Of course the chances of Protect working 2 times in a row is really low so I would then switch out, most of the time to Heatran, to absorb the fire move. This is yet another turn of Leech Seed + Hail damage. Protect also gives me an idea which counter to go to against Choiced enemies. When the use a Choiced Fire attack against Abomasnow I can switch Heatran in to get a free Stealth Rock set up. Of course every Pokemon should at least have on Attacking move. I opted for Blizzard here, simply because there are to many Dragon types around who can make every team suffer. Besides if my opponent leads with a anti-lead Dragonite, I can outspeed it (because I'm not running Focus Punch there is no need for a Sassy nature) with 220 against 212 and OHKO it. But most lead Dragonite I have faced so far were Life Orb'ed so that makes it harder to predict. I run Leftovers here because Leech Seed + Leftovers give me back my Substitute damage in one turn. This allows me to stall my opponent. This will surely piss them off. ^^

Synergy:

Fire: Heatran, Tentacruel
Flying: Heatran, Rotom-h
Fighting: Rotom-h, Tentacruel
Rock: Hariyama
Steel: Heatran, Rotom-h

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Of course Abomasnow isn't my only member on my Hail Stall team. I needed something that could be a perfect partner for Abomasnow. Tentacruel seemed like a great partner because the cover each others weaknesses quite well. Stall Teams also loves Toxic Spikes on the field, so it was a real must on this team too. At first I had Forretress in this position but since I'm already using Abomasnow my Fire weakness would be to big to handle easily. Another great thing that helped Tentacruel through the selection is his ability to Rapid Spin. When I was still using Forretress I also discovered a Mixape weakness. Tentacruel luckily also solves this (little) problem.

Yggdrasil the Tentacruel @ Leftovers/ Calm/ Liquid Ooze
252 HP, 120 Def, 138 SDef

- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Surf
- Blizzard (Sludge Bomb)

--> Tentacruel make a great companion for Abomasnow. Toxic Spikes gives me more options for stalling especially with to layers up (then it acts the same way as Toxic does and the damage will increase every turn). But the main reason I have Tentacruel on the team is because it can Rapid Spin. Hail teams consists out of many Ice types, who are weak to Stealth Rock so they will surely appreciate them being gone. Tentacruel used to have Knock off instead of Sludge Bomb I'm using now. Sludge Bomb in place is replaced by Blizzard so that Tentacruel isn't a complety set up fodder against the like of Salamence and Gyarados. They are both immune to Toxic Spikes and with Sludge Bomb is can hopefully poison them and stall team to death. Tentacruel is also my Infernape counter (most likely mixape), that's why I have Surf. The Reason why I have Black Sludge over Leftovers is because Trick users will have to Trick twice which gives them more Hail damage, and if the Tricker isn't Jirachi they take damage from Black Sludge as well.

Synergy:

Electric: Abomasnow, Rotom-h
Ground: Abomasnow, Rotom-h
Psychic: Heatran

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Of course every team should have a good status absorber. I had a Rest-Talk Machamp at this position first but after I've tested this guy my opinion has changed and Hariyama was in. With his reasonable defenses and massive HP he makes a good Rest-Talker as well. Hariyama also has the great ability Thisk Fat which offers me kind of offers me a Fire resist and his Fighting types gives me a good switch-in on Rock type moves. Hariyama let me counter my biggest nemesis: Tyranitar. Hariyama has been replaced by Gliscor because it also counters Lucario, a big threat to this team.

Baldr the Gliscor @ Leftovers/ Jolly/ Sand Veil
80 HP, 172 Atk, 252 Def, 6 Spe

- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Aerial Ace

--> Gliscor fit perfect in this team. Not only because I needed a Tyranitar counter, but I also needed a SD Luke counter. Gliscor does great at countering them both. Only Tyranitar with Ice Beam can kill me easy. But they aren't that common. Earthquake lets me deal with Tyranitar, Heatran, Lucario, ... they can really damage my stall plans. That's also the reason Gliscor's ability is Sand Veil, it makes it easier to counter Ttar. Roost is an obvious move and let's me heal of any taken damage. Taunt lets me counter Stall teams easier. It also makes sure that Blissey, Machamp, ... cannot heal themselfs up so that poison will cripple them. Aerial Ace is mainly a filler but it helps me deal with Breloom and to a lesser extend Machamp. Gliscor also offers a better synergy then Hariyama because Ice and Water attacks aimed at Gliscor can give Wallrein an easy switch-in.

Synergy:

Ice: Heatran, Tentacruel, Wallrein
Water: Abomasnow, Tentacruel, Wallrein

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Originally this was a Froslass. But her average defenses and unreliable ability often cost me the match. Rotom-h is the newest member of the team. It fits perfectly in his role as a revenge killer. Blizzard getting a 100 % acc. in Hail is also a nice extra. Rotom-h offers a Fighting and Ground resistance to my team which is greatly appreciated. without it Heatran, Abomasnow, Wallrein and Tentacruel will be having a hard time surviving. Stall teams also appreciate an anti-spinner. Besides, the freeze form looks just awesome right? ^^

Bifrost the Rotom-f @ Choice Scarf/ timid/ levitate
232 HP, 252 Spe, 26 SAtk

- Thunderbolt
- Blizzard
- Shadow Ball
- Trick

--> Scarfed Rotom-f makes one of the best revenge killer there is. It helps me against threats as DD-Mence and DD-Gyarados. With Blizzard and Thunderbolt respectively. Hail makes sure that Blizzard hits 100 % of the time. Trick let's me screw over walls. Shadow Ball is a STAB move just like Thunderbolt and let's me deal with Latias, Celebi, other Rotom, ....
I choose for a bulky EV spread here so I can switch into Gyarados and Mence easier. 26 SAtk EV's still allows me to 2HKO Latias with Shadow Ball. I also tried Rotom-h here because Scizor and Lucario still make dangerous foes. But I always seemed to cover them while Salamence and Flygon caused me trouble. Besides when Overheat was used instead of Blizzard the SAtk drop could Rotom-h be used as set up fodder. Rotom-f also serves as my anti-spinner, which is greatly appreciated on stall teams.

Synergy:

Dark: Heatran, Hariyama
Ghost: Heatran

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With all those Ice Types around I needed a Fire resist. Another problem I came to know is that although this is a stall team I have no Stealth Rocks. I concluded that I really needed that. As I have explained at Abomasnow Heatran could get some rocks on for free. This used to be Dugtrio (as revenge killer) but Heatran does a better job and his ability saved my out a lot.

Ratatoskr the Heatran @ Shuca Berry/ Hasty/ Flash Fire
6 HP, 252 Spe, 252 SAtk

- Fire Blast
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
- Explosion

--> What is this? Leadtran not used as a lead? Well yeah, although this Heatran lead is designed as a lead he works fine as not being one. Stealth Rock is just needed on a stall team and Heatran can deliver them most of the time. After I received a Flash Fire boost Fire Blast will do a ton af damage to everything not resisted. Believe it or not but this is also often used as a Heatran counter itself, thats why is has a Hasty Nature and why it holds a Shucka Berry. If the opposing Heatran is Scarfed, .. I can take it out with Earth Power. Opponents tend to switch-in Latias, Blissey, ... in against Heatran. Explosion will take me out as well but also the dangerous Blissey, who is a nightmare for Stall teams. Latias will Surf but a Choice Specs-less Surf will never OHKO me and the Red-White dragon will not survive the Explosion.

Synergy:

Fighting: Tentacruel Rotom-h
Ground: Abomasnow, Rotom-h
Water: Abomasnow, Tentacruel, Wallrein

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Last but not least we have Stallrein. A dangerous foe to face and fun pokemon to use especially when 2 layers of Toxic Pikes are up. Wallrein has secured many of my victories. It had a place on this team from the very beginning and of course it is a keeper. Stallrein is just essential on a Hail Stall team. Without it Hail Stall looses his ability to really stall effectively. Wallrein is often saved as my last pokemon or when I can set him up safely he might join the fight a little sooner. Together with Abomasnow he makes my Stall core, while the other members help them setting up and removing their counters.

Dvergar the Wallrein @ Leftovers/ Bold/ Ice Body
220 HP, 242 Def, 48 Spe

- Protect
- Substitute
- Super Fang (Roar)
- Brine

--> What is a Hail team without this guy? The answer to that ... Nothing! Stallrein was another must on my team. When used correctly this thing can go on for a very long time, stalling the opponent with both Toxic damage (from Toxic Spikes) and Hail damage. Super Fang is used against those who are immune to Toxic Spikes. It cuts the opponents health in half so when you combine that with Brine which 65 Base Power is doubled and you have a pretty offensive Wallrein. Of course it isn't used as a offensive sweeper and the prementioned strategy is only applied when stalling has turned useless. Everyone knows the Substitute - Protect combo the Stallrein (with Ice Body) loves to use. This let's Wallrein recover its Substite damage in two turns so it can change between Substitute and Protect to remain at the same health. While I'm doing this my opponents looses health every turn. Wallreins natural bulkyness makes sure he is rarely OHKO. This thing can be really frustrating to battle against and it is my teams star. Although everyone who has some experience know a Wallrein is about to come when you face a stall team, they still have some problems facing it.

Synergy:

Electric: Abomasnow, Rotom-h
Grass: Heatran, Abomasnow
Fighting: Rotom-h, Tentacruel
Rock:Hariyama

3. Conclusion

With this team I have reached a CRE of almost 1400. And that in the one week I have been using it. Normally I don't like to use Stall teams but this one has given me a lot of fun moments.

You might have noticed the strange nicknames my pokemon have. Well it's because I study history at college and currently we are working on the Norse Mythology. So that's were the nicknames find their origin. If you'd like I can add who each member is and why I gave it the nickname.

Thank you for reading this RMT. I know it was long but I hope you liked it. Please rate, comment, copy, ...

Changes will be in Blue.

One last look at the team:

Previous members:

Baldr the Hariyama @ Leftovers/ Impish/ Thick Fat
80 HP, 172 Atk, 252 Def, 6 Spe

- Revenge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Payback

--> The teams status absorber. Many opponents try to take Hariyama out by poisoning it a stalling it out. Of course they are very dissapointed when they find out Hariyama is a Rest-Talker. One of the most dangerous enemies of Hail teams is Tyranitar and there is no Tyranitar that could beat this Hariyama set without a lot of Hax. To stop Tyranitar Revenge is my most solid option. It also helps against many other pokemon because of Hariyama pretty low speed. The same goes for Payback which is used against those who resist Revenge. Since it is a Rest-Talker Rest and Sleep Talk are obvious moves on it. When Heatran is taken out I have huge Fire weakness. Hariyama's Thick Fat is here to reduce that. That's also the reason why I took out Machamp who was here in the first place. I had Whirlwind on him before but I have replaced it with Payback so that I can do something at Latias and the Rotom forms. Hariyama is my best shot against Lucario who could otherwise sweep my team completely.

Synergy:

Flying: Heatran, Rotom-h
Psychic: Heatran

mohaji · Dec 17, 2009

Well first of all I think it would be better if you play Tentacruel as lead.
So your opponent don't know that you're playing Hail so it would be difficult for him to make a strategy against this.
Also I think that Hariyama isn't good in that team. Maybe Snorlax would be better as Resttalker.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
EVs: 244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
Ability: Thick Fat
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Body Slam
~ Earthquake

Earthquake to stop Tyranitar is good I think.

Maybe Timid as nature would be better than Calm. So you've the chance to outspeed some Pokémon and K.O them.

jc104 · Dec 17, 2009

This team is generally solid, so just a few things:

Regarding Tentacuel: I generally disapprove of the use of Black sludge as an item. This merely allows another of your pokemon to be crippled by trick, so use leftovers. Also, Sludge Bomb should be replaced with Blizzard IMO (much better against salamence/gyarados)

I would still recommend a Sassy nature for your Abomasnow, regardless of whether you are running Focus Punch. If you do so I would also suggest dropping your speed IV until you are slower than Hippowdon so that you can keep your hail against sandstorm leads. Although this means you lose to Dragonite, he is less common than the sandstormers, and sandstorm teams pose a greater overall threat.

Do you ever find that your Rotom faints a little too easily to carry out its spin blocking duty? With hail damage, it will be worn down quickly, and is prone to being trapped by pursuit users. You could also find that if it falls you lose to faster sweepers carrying ground moves, such as agiligross, and even DDmence. I was going to suggest that you use a RestTalk Rotom and add a scarf to your Heatran but that would lead to you having no stealth rock (well, I've never tried stealth rock on scarftran, but I suppose he forces switches enough to get a free turn)

One thing, how is Ice a poor offensive type? It is one of the worse defensive typings in the game, but Ice moves are used by all manner of Pokemon, particularly to counter dragons. The reason offensive hail teams don't work is the frailty (along with hail not bringing significant offensive advantages.)

edit: in response to the above poster - Hariyama is necessary to counter Tyranitar (Machamp would be the obvious alternative, but he has already tested that.) Using Tentacruel as a lead would be inadvisable, because he will often faint (despite usually setting up Toxic Spikes) and leave you with no spinner, which is absolutely necessary for such stealth rock weak teams as hail teams. If you want to hide your hail strategy, use Heatran as the lead

azriel · Dec 17, 2009

My only suggestion is that you switch Hariyama's ability to Guts. I don't see a huge fire weakness that Hariyama is patching up for you. Consider the primary users of fire attacks in OU: Infernape, Heatran, certain Salamence sets, and the odd Scarf-Magnezone set with HP Fire. Infernape is readily countered by Tentacruel, Heatran can be dealt with by your own Heatran (Hariyama can't stop Heatran anyway, your Hariyama runs no SpD EVs and will be easily 3KOed by any Heatran, 2KOed if it's a pure offensive set). Mixmence with Flamethrower isn't threatened by any of Hariyama's attacks (perhaps switch Payback with Stone Edge?) and Scarf-Magnezone stuck on HP Fire is just bait to start your Stallrein shenanigans. By switching Hariyama to Guts, you are still retaining his status-absorber abilities, but taking better advantage of your sizeable Atk EV investment and turning Hariyama into a threat, even when sleeping. STAB Revenge coming off of a boosted 478 attack is nothing to laugh at, and should prove especially useful for a team that otherwise has no physical offense with which to threaten a non-Toxic Spikes stricken Blissey.

MrIndigo · Dec 17, 2009

I've always found this Abomasnow to be a very effective lead:

Abomasnow @Life Orb
<Snow Warning>
[Naughty] 240 Atk, 124 Sp. Atk, 144 Spd.
- Blizzard
- Wood Hammer
- Protect/Ice Shard/Leech Seed/Toxic
- Protect/Ice Shard/Leech Seed/Toxic

It's principle purpose is to OHKO the two leads the team has most problem with; Tyranitar and Hippowdon. I can't remember how it was EV'd, exactly, but I think it outspeeds lead Hippowdon and OHKOs with Wood Hammer, and underspeeds Tyranitar to get Hail and OHKOs with Blizzard or Wood Hammer. Or something like that. Been a while since I used it, but it eliminates both of those threats well, and supports the team, as well as coming back in late game to bash some stuff.

My choices for support move are Ice Shard and Protect, but any combination can be useful depending on what you want to do with it.

Delko · Dec 18, 2009

Okay thanks guys for rating. ^^
I've tried all of your suggestions!

@ Mohaji: As jc104 already answered Tentacruel isn't the greatest of leads. Besides Abomasnow get's the Hail started from turn one, destroying Sashes on leads.

@ jc104: I have doubted a long time about giving Tentacruel Leftovers. But since the most common Trick user against Tentacruel is Latias, Black Sludge will take away damage, that combined with Hail doesn't give it much opportunity to Trick it on another member.

I'm still able to outspeed Machamp with Abomasnow so I can (PP) stall it out (hopefully with Leech Seed) with Protect and Substitute. Machamp can be a problem to my team otherwise.

I have changed Sludge Bomb for Blizzard, thank you for this suggestion!

@ azriel: Guts is an option here but pokemon like Tyranitar are KO'ed by Revenge anyway. But I'm definitly trying it because Guts is also activated by sleep. So When I'm Sleep Talking I can do massive damage.

@ MrIndigo: Well that Abomasnow could work. But this is a stall team and that set is a little to offensive for my taste. It's primairly used for stalling so I need to have as much defensive bulk as possible.

--> I do however have a question. Since my team get's raped by SD Luke and SD Scizor on the regular, I was thinking about giving Force Palm instead of Revenge on Hariyama. Is this a good idea? The paralysis will really help me here.

Keep rating!

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Dec 20, 2009

Did you come up with that stallrein moveset yourself?... That looks incredible! Anyway, I feel like some spikes support wouldn't hurt too much (Froslass?), but then again, the only thing your incredible Wallrein is unable to do is Roar, which is sad considering you have plenty of entrance hazards... Also, do you ever find yourself without Abomasnow and without another hail user when they bring in Tyrannitar or Hippowdon? I'd try to have at least one other hail user on this team, otherwise, it looks brilliant!

Delko · Dec 21, 2009

Cipher Admin Lovrina said:
Did you come up with that stallrein moveset yourself?... That looks incredible! Anyway, I feel like some spikes support wouldn't hurt too much (Froslass?), but then again, the only thing your incredible Wallrein is unable to do is Roar, which is sad considering you have plenty of entrance hazards... Also, do you ever find yourself without Abomasnow and without another hail user when they bring in Tyrannitar or Hippowdon? I'd try to have at least one other hail user on this team, otherwise, it looks brilliant!

Well thank you ^^, I haven't seen this Wallrein set before so...

Yeah Spikes was why I used Forretress before, but the Fire weakness forced me to switch him out. But honestly I've never really missed spikes. But I could try Froslass, although that would increase Rock weakness.

The sad thing is that there is only one pokemon with the ability Snow Warning. And the move Hail is rather useless overall. If I ever face a SS user, I would just switch out, and bring Abomasnow back in later.

Thank you for your rate!

DarkCyberElf · Dec 21, 2009

Stallrein can often have the 'last Pokemon' syndrome, and so your set (aka SuperFang) is much better than running anything else. Ghosts aren't likely to come in on you to take Super Fang, and no one likes their Pokemon to come in and instantly lose half their health. So bottomline, keep what ya' have!

Personally, I would recommend you use Bulky Gliscor over Hariyama. First, Gliscor lures Ice and Water attacks, that the rest of your team (especially Stallrein) loves. Second, Gliscor has access to Taunt to essentially make phazing unnecessary (depends on what Pokemon it is though). Gliscor is also an infamous counter of Tyranitar lacking Ice Beam (very uncommon save Scarf and Boah versions), has access to immediate recovery with Roost, can use the Toxic+Roost combo to stack up the damage, and finally, the status that you are so afraid of is taken by a joint effort of Gliscor itself (ThunderWave), Heatran takes Will-O-Wisps, and Toxic is taken by Tentacruel or Heatran. Sleep is very uncommon in OU with the exception of Crobat (Hypnosis), Breloom (Spore), and Roserade (Sleep Powder), all of which are equally uncommon. Also, all those Pokemon that use sleeping moves will die to Heatran respectively (except SubSeed Breloom, who is checked by Gliscor).

Alright, unless you didn't get the whole "Gliscor over Hariyama" thing, here's the set:

Gliscor @ Leftovers - Jolly
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Ability: Sand Veil
Moves:
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt
- Aerial Ace/Stealth Rock/Whirlwind

Being that this is a bit quirky like many of your own sets, I'll explain. Sand Veil is there for situations in which Tyranitar comes in to kick the crap out of Abomasnow, and just won't let him come back in. It let's Gliscor abuse a few turns of extra evasion, as well as the fact that Hyper Cutter is pretty useless unless you plan on using Stone Edge to beat Gyarados, or using a Swords Dance Sweeper set. The first three moves are obvious, while Aerial Ace is here so you can actually beat the common Breloom SubSeed set after they get their Sub up. It takes 3 EQs to break their Sub, after which they will have done a number on you with Focus Punch. Aerial Ace also let's you check the rare Heracross, as well as hurt Machamp like hell. If you find yourself having no problems with Breloom or Machamp, Stealth Rock works here too to let Heatran have a break. Finally, Whirlwind works to get rid of the things that you Taunt but are threatened by. It also stacks up entry hazards since that's what phazing does. The last thing is that Gliscor walls Lucario, who otherwise outspeeds you entire team (bar Rotom) and OHKO's them all as well (Tentacruel may survive but not likely and it can't retaliate well).

If Hariyama works for you, and Lucario isn't an issue, then heed nothing I said xD

Good luck with the team!

PS I am definitely stealing this team! =D

Delko · Dec 21, 2009

Thank you for the rate ^^

I'm definitively going to try that Gliscor set as it also helps me against Lucario and to a lesser extend maybe even Scizor. It also gives me another Ground resist.
I would with Aerial Ace in the last slot to take out Breloom like you suggested.

DarkCyberElf said:
PS I am definitely stealing this team! =D

Lol, that's why I posted it! ^^

YTP · Dec 21, 2009

mohaji said:
Well first of all I think it would be better if you play Tentacruel as lead.
So your opponent don't know that you're playing Hail so it would be difficult for him to make a strategy against this.
Also I think that Hariyama isn't good in that team. Maybe Snorlax would be better as Resttalker.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
EVs: 244 HP / 28 Def / 236 SpD
Careful Nature
Ability: Thick Fat
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Body Slam
~ Earthquake

Earthquake to stop Tyranitar is good I think.

Maybe Timid as nature would be better than Calm. So you've the chance to outspeed some Pokémon and K.O them.

Don't do this! You need Hariyama for a Tyranitar counter.

--

Anyways, this is mostly a solid team. You're pretty weak to Gliscor, however. He can U-Turn + EQ his way through most of the team. This is a really hard fix, considering the hit and run nature of Gliscor. But I think a Swampert could fit over Hariyama.

Delko · Dec 22, 2009

YTP said:
Don't do this! You need Hariyama for a Tyranitar counter.

Don't worry! ^^ I'm testing Gliscor instead of Hariyama now. That would cover my weakness against SD-Luke and Tyranitar. Downside is however that I will not have a status absorber. So I need to predict really good.

Anyway thanks for the rate Yoshi!

rvrstar12 · Dec 22, 2009

Delko said:
Don't worry! ^^ I'm testing Gliscor instead of Hariyama now. That would cover my weakness against SD-Luke and Tyranitar. Downside is however that I will not have a status absorber. So I need to predict really good.

Anyway thanks for the rate Yoshi!

why dont you try rest talk rotom-f for a status absorber...thats what i use on my hail stall team

Delko · Dec 22, 2009

rvrstar12 said:
why dont you try rest talk rotom-f for a status absorber...thats what i use on my hail stall team

Hmmm that could work too. But then I'll loose my revenge killer. Besides Rotom will then only have 2 moves to be used left (Rest and Sleep Talk being the other two). Nevertheless I will try it out. ^^

Thank you!

rvrstar12 · Dec 22, 2009

Delko said:
Hmmm that could work too. But then I'll loose my revenge killer. Besides Rotom will then only have 2 moves to be used left (Rest and Sleep Talk being the other two). Nevertheless I will try it out. ^^

Thank you!

ya but you use thunderbolt and blizzard for your moves...its the same coverage as boltbeam...which is an awesome combo

Delko · Dec 23, 2009

rvrstar12 said:
ya but you use thunderbolt and blizzard for your moves...its the same coverage as boltbeam...which is an awesome combo

Cool, that could work. I shall definitely try it, thanks! ^^

After some testing I have decided to trade Hariyama for Gliscor.
Credits got to DarkCyberElf!

Baldr the Gliscor @ Leftovers/ Jolly/ Sand Veil
80 HP, 172 Atk, 252 Def, 6 Spe

- Taunt
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Aerial Ace

--> Gliscor fit perfect in this team. Not only because I needed a Tyranitar counter, but I also needed a SD Luke counter. Gliscor does great at countering them both. Only Tyranitar with Ice Beam can kill me easy. But they aren't that common. Earthquake lets me deal with Tyranitar, Heatran, Lucario, ... they can really damage my stall plans. That's also the reason Gliscor's ability is Sand Veil, it makes it easier to counter Ttar. Roost is an obvious move and let's me heal of any taken damage. Taunt lets me counter Stall teams easier. It also makes sure that Blissey, Machamp, ... cannot heal themselfs up so that poison will cripple them. Aerial Ace is mainly a filler but it helps me deal with Breloom and to a lesser extend Machamp. Gliscor also offers a better synergy then Hariyama because Ice and Water attacks aimed at Gliscor can give Wallrein an easy switch-in.

Synergy:

Ice: Heatran, Tentacruel, Wallrein
Water: Abomasnow, Tentacruel, Wallrein

So to makes thing clear, this is how the team looks now:

Comments, suggestion?

dastardlycow · Jun 2, 2010

use roar on stallrein because if you have toxic spikes and spikes/stealth rock (or both) use roar the the opponent will be utterly crippled. Stealth rock and spikes takes away damage, whil toxic spikes allows you to stall out an entire team. A wallrein with roar and toxic spikes/spikes/stealth rocks has never failed me. i would seriously suggest this if you want to utterly and totally cripple the enemy

george182 · Jun 2, 2010

No tyranitar set can beat harriyama. Well:

The screech + superpower life orb tyranitar actually has a chance to OHKO your harriyama after rocks. But I think I'm the only one who uses that awesome set. Which also OHKO's hippowdon after a screech + aqua tail.

Also a life orbed focus punch + a life orb superpower/EQ will also take you out

Finally a choice specs hidden power physhic 2hko's.
So yea he doens't counter every tyranitar set, but im just being picky. Onto the actual rate.

Gliscor is probably a much beter suggestion, and you have his ice weakness well covered. A machamp cus also be used to abuse confusion and has more attack. Both of these however don't resist fire, but you have that covered. Machamp can also be just as bulky as harriyama if you give it defence ev's.

I would also suggest using heatran as a lead. After using a hail team you my have noticed that abomansnow sucks, really bad. You can always switch him in to break a sash, but he is a terrible lead. Loosing to pretty much every lead in the game.

good old stallrein, i love dat set.

Sandstorm is not the only staller! (OU RMT)

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