Golurk

TeraGhost · Sep 19th, 2010, 2:39:52 PM

I didn't see a thread for this Pokemon, so I made one, I apologise if there is one. Bear with me for write ups, I'm new to the thing.Note that this thread is for general discussion of the Pokemon, not whether it will be banned or not.

Yes it's shiny. It's amazing when shiny. But let's get to the point.

Goruggo's important info:

Typing:

Base Stats:
HP: 89
Attack: 124
Defence: 80
Spec Attk: 55
Spec. Def: 80
Speed: 55

Abilities:
1) Iron Fist
2) Klutz
3) Dream World No Guard

Level Up Moveset

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TM/HM Moves

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Notable Moves
Earthquake, Dynamic Punch, Stone Edge, Rock Polish, Substitute, Focus Punch, Shadow Punch

Resistances and Weaknesses
x2 Resists:

x4 Resists:

Immunities:

Weaknesses:

Pros and cons

One of the first things that sticks out for Goruggo is that base 124 attack stat. Other than that, Goruggo stats are a little lacking, especially in special attack and speed. It's defences aren't too bad, but they won't be winning awards defensively.

So how does Goruggo stack up against attack types? First things first, it is immune to Normal attacks and also Fighting and Electric, two common attacking types on the standard team. It's also resistant to Bug and Rock, two more common attacking types. It's also x4 resistant to Poison, which doesn't see much use due to the lack of SE. This gives Goruggo notable resistances and immunites to Explosion, the new Electric powerhouse moves and Despiration and Stealth Rock.

This is where the good news ends though and the bad news start. Goruggo is weak to Water, Ice, Grass, Ghost and Dark. All of those types can be found on the standard team, which hinders the amount of Pokemon Goruggo can switch in on and threaten since it's defences and speed are poor. Most notably, it's weak to Pursuit, meaning Tyranitar, Scizor and friends can come in and scare Goruggo out, though they have to watch out for Dynamic Punch. Goruggo is also prone to Spikes and Toxic Spikes, limiting it's switch in opportunites further.

Ability wise, it has 3 options, Iron Fist, Klutz and No Guard.

1) Iron Fist Iron Fist would be all right on a SubPunch for Goruggo, since Goruggo has access to a few punches. It also beefs up the power of Shadow Punch to 108, as well as increase Focus Punch to 180 BP. Unfortunately, it does not get the elemental punches.
2) Klutz No Trick = no go. If Pokemon Gray Tutors bring around Trick for Goruggo, then Klutz may be an option.
3) No Guard Probably the best option for Goruggo, this ensures you get an accurate Dynamic Punch and Stone Edge.

A few sets I thought up of.

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Personal opinion
I don't think Goruggo, the more 'offensive' Dusknoir will be taking the metagame by storm, and will probably be relegated to NU, or maybe low UU. It's a shame that it's slow and it's special attack is unusable when it's special movepool is great. It's physical movepool is not great, but's usable and good enough, albeit predictable. It's also weak to some common priority moves (Aqua jet, Ice Shard and Sucker Punch), which hinder sweeping attempts.

Enough about what I think though, what do you, as a community think? Discuss.

Fangren · Sep 19th, 2010, 2:49:21 PM

Unfortunately, it seems that Thunder Wave affects ground-types now, which kinda sucks...but still, I'm digging this guy as a subpuncher.

He also gets Rock Polish, which may help greatly with his sweeping capabilities.

snowcone · Sep 19th, 2010, 2:58:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Fangren

Unfortunately, it seems that Thunder Wave affects ground-types now, which kinda sucks...but still, I'm digging this guy as a subpuncher.

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Do we know this for fact, I heard that it can go through abilities like volt asorb but ground immunity still functioned.

Thorhammer · Sep 19th, 2010, 2:58:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Fangren

Unfortunately, it seems that Thunder Wave affects ground-types now, which kinda sucks...but still, I'm digging this guy as a subpuncher.

That rumor was disproved.

He seems a lot like Machamp, but with a different type and some different secondary moves. Seems to me like he'll be damn good, although he might not hold up too well in OU with how much stronger it's getting. We'll have to see, though.

Sandstreamer · Sep 19th, 2010, 3:01:34 PM

It's strange how it gets ALL the good special moves with that useless special attack... However, I really like this guy. I think it's main selling point will be countering certain threats. Sandstorm teams (yeah, I have my nickname for a reason) will greatyl appreciate a Fighting AND sandstorm immunity, so I can see this thing becoming a good friend of Tyranitar. I see it switching into many attack and landing a hit as the opponent switches out. It is not so much built for setting up, imo. That said, I'd go with something like EQ/SE/Hammer Arm/Toxic and No Guard (No Guard Toxic is great). It really lacks some sort of recovery, though. It doesn't even get Drain Punch (which would be great)...

EDIT: Btw, does he really get FLY? That'd be kinda interesting, at least on a Iron Fist set. lol

Fangren · Sep 19th, 2010, 3:05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Thorhammer

That rumor was disproved.

Really? Well, that's good news.

Upstart · Sep 19th, 2010, 3:27:03 PM

I love this thing sweet typing and just great appearance. However his stats and movepool are slightly underpar; he will definately find a nitch in lower tiers but who knows he great typing could bring him up.

EvilMario · Sep 19th, 2010, 3:29:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fangren

Unfortunately, it seems that Thunder Wave affects ground-types now, which kinda sucks...but still, I'm digging this guy as a subpuncher.

He also gets Rock Polish, which may help greatly with his sweeping capabilities.

This was proven false. Thunder-Wave now effects Pokemon like Jolteon (with Volt Absorb), and not Ground.

kyu · Sep 19th, 2010, 3:40:47 PM

I think Rock Polish/Substitute + 3 Attacks will work the best. After one Rock Polish, he can outspeed a neutral-natured, scarfed base 100.

TeraGhost · Sep 19th, 2010, 4:04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Kyu

I think Rock Polish/Substitute + 3 Attacks will work the best. After one Rock Polish, he can outspeed a neutral-natured, scarfed base 100.

Maybe. Maybe not. I just listed a few sets I thought could work for my new favourite Pokémon. :P

sax king · Sep 19th, 2010, 4:30:38 PM

Best set

Anti lead

goruggo@ leftovers/life orb
Adamant/Impish
252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def
No Guard

-Dynamic Punch
-Earthquake/smooth over
-Shadow Punch
-Thief/Whatever

Goruggo is a great anti-lead. Goruggo can abuse the no-guard dynamic punch combo, and he can do it quite well due to his high attack stat. Goruggo is also immune to fake out, explosion, and dynamic punch. Goruggo is 4x resistant to U-turn, which is found on many leads. Goruggo has considerable bulk and can survive a few hits as well. The only down side is the lack of physical ghost STAB to hit ghost switch ins. But STAB shadow punch coming rom a 124 attack stat is still going to really hurt ghost type switch ins. Dynamic punch and Shadow Punch have perfect coverage as well. For strong STAB, use Earthquake after the other lead is impaired. If you want a lead that functions somewhat like an icy wind lead, use smooth over to break their sash and then kill on the next turn. This may be unnecessary with Dynamic punch. Thief is another support move, but if you use it, you can't use an item. It's essentially a lesser Knock off, but it works well on a lead.

@Corruptodile. I was just about to start a thread about Goruggo, but u beat me to it.

TeraGhost · Sep 19th, 2010, 4:37:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sax king

Best set

Anti lead

goruggo@ leftovers/life orb
Adamant/Impish
252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def
No Guard

-Dynamic Punch
-Earthquake/smooth over
-Shadow Punch
-Thief/Whatever

Goruggo is a great anti-lead. Goruggo can abuse the no-guard dynamic punch combo, and he can do it quite well due to his high attack stat. Goruggo is also immune to fake out, explosion, and dynamic punch. Goruggo is 4x resistant to U-turn, which is found on many leads. Goruggo has considerable bulk and can survive a few hits as well. The only down side is the lack of physical ghost STAB to hit ghost switch ins. But STAB shadow punch coming rom a 124 attack stat is still going to really hurt ghost type switch ins. Dynamic punch and Shadow Punch have perfect coverage as well. For strong STAB, use Earthquake after the other lead is impaired. If you want a lead that functions somewhat like an icy wind lead, use smooth over to break their sash and then kill on the next turn. This may be unnecessary with Dynamic punch. Thief is another support move, but if you use it, you can't use an item. It's essentially a lesser Knock off, but it works well on a lead.

@Corruptodile. I was just about to start a thread about Goruggo, but u beat me to it.

Ahh sorry about that. I didn't see the Anti-lead set though, I'll add it in.

Smith · Sep 19th, 2010, 7:23:52 PM

I'm not sure how you can have an anti-lead set on there already. Anti-leads are entirely based on what common leads are ruling the roost, and we have no clue how this will pan out at all. Saying that he is immune to dynamic punch is hardly relevant, Machamp probably isn't going to be a common lead any more. I have the same opinion regarding fake out and explosion, but less so since those are a bit more common.

That said, he probably has the best utility as on offensive spin blocker. SubPunch seems perfect.

sax king · Sep 19th, 2010, 7:52:19 PM

I guess you're right, we have no way of really knowing that it is an anti-lead. But I feel that this thing will be tough to counter, and it will be able to counter most other leads, even though we don't know the most common leads yet. I think that Machamp leads will rise in popularity, however, because with the aiming mark, nothing can switch into Machamp's Dynamic Punch without getting confused. I still feel that fake out and explosion will be ever present in leads, simply because no matter what they're still great moves. His role as a spin blocker is even less usefull because of the Aiming mark.
Although SubPunch with iron fist is great, I think it will be outclassed by Roopushin, who has Iron Fist, STAB, and higher attack.
I think Rock Polish +3 moves is the best moveset besides the anti-lead.

Thorhammer · Sep 19th, 2010, 8:13:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sax king

I think that Machamp leads will rise in popularity, however, because with the aiming mark, nothing can switch into Machamp's Dynamic Punch without getting confused.

Aiming Mark does not work that way. The initial assumptions as to its function have been disproved.

M BLADE · Sep 19th, 2010, 8:27:53 PM

This poke seems pretty much a copy of Machamp stat wise, but slightly weaker and less bulkier.

Of course, the typing is entirely different. This poke has 3 immunities, which is good (too bad it doesn't resist that much, and has a whopping 5 weaknesses).

Sub Punch must be it's best set.

Togelover · Sep 21st, 2010, 6:41:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sandstreamer

EDIT: Btw, does he really get FLY?

I too kinda wonder about this, can someone look it up because it says the same on Serebii.

Bonehimer · Sep 22nd, 2010, 3:42:04 PM

It stops being so weird that he learns fly once you consider Goruggo is a homage to Giant Robo, mystery solved.

luminum · Sep 22nd, 2010, 3:45:47 PM

Its pokedex data does say that it can fly around. So yeah, giant flying golem-robot. Sounds pretty sweet.

Omnipresent · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:30:22 PM

Lol I like him, I hope he has something to bring to the table, he IS the only ground ghost typing so at least he that goin for him.

Ghost Fighting type would be so bad ass.

pokemon · Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:06:08 PM

No TR sets for this slow ass guy? I'm disappointed in you guys...loljk

Goruggo@Life Orb
ABility: No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Hp, 4 Def
Nature: Brave
Moves:

Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Shadow Punch

Basic TR set. Lowest speed as possible, No Guard and D-Punch+Stone Edge is absolutely awesome. EQ and Shadow Punch are STABs.

TeraGhost · Sep 25th, 2010, 5:09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Alan

on the anti-lead set, if you are going to use theif, dont have an item.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll edit it in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pokemon

No TR sets for this slow ass guy? I'm disappointed in you guys...loljk

Goruggo@Life Orb
ABility: No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Hp, 4 Def
Nature: Brave
Moves:

Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Shadow Punch

Basic TR set. Lowest speed as possible, No Guard and D-Punch+Stone Edge is absolutely awesome. EQ and Shadow Punch are STABs.

How did I not see this? First write=disaster =P. Thanks, I'll add it to the sets list.

Aqua-Admin-Marco · Sep 25th, 2010, 8:43:56 AM

Its a great Pokemon,and it has Iorn fist so its definatley going to be a good puncher,but why in the world does it know Fly?

Calm Pokemaster · Sep 25th, 2010, 9:08:17 AM

Useless move competitively. Note that it gets No Gurad too, so you could use a non punching set as well. Shame it has a bad Spl Atk, or you have a great mixed sweeper.

I cant imagine a metal Ghost flying around here and there, something like Robotan I guess

DrLemure · Sep 27th, 2010, 5:54:38 AM

It's awesome that he can Fly, but I'm pissed he doesn't get Selfdestruct.

Sep 19th, 2010, 2:39:52 PM	#1
TeraGhost Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32	Golurk I didn't see a thread for this Pokemon, so I made one, I apologise if there is one. Bear with me for write ups, I'm new to the thing.Note that this thread is for general discussion of the Pokemon, not whether it will be banned or not. Yes it's shiny. It's amazing when shiny. But let's get to the point. Goruggo's important info: Typing: Base Stats: HP: 89 Attack: 124 Defence: 80 Spec Attk: 55 Spec. Def: 80 Speed: 55 Abilities: 1) Iron Fist 2) Klutz 3) Dream World No Guard Level Up Moveset ... Lv1: Pound Lv1: Astonish Lv1: Defense Curl Lv1: Mud-Slap Lv5: Mud-Slap Lv9: Rollout Lv13: Shadow Punch Lv17: Iron Defense Lv21: Mega Punch Lv25: Magnitude Lv30: DynamicPunch Lv35: Night Shade Lv40: Curse Lv43: [M484] Lv50: Earthquake Lv60: Hammer Arm Lv70: Focus Punch TM/HM Moves ... TM06 - Toxic TM10 - Hidden Power TM13 - Ice Beam TM15 - Hyper Beam TM17 - Protect TM18 - Rain Dance TM19 - Telekinesis TM20 - Safeguard TM21 - Frustration TM22 - Solar Beam TM24 - Thunderbolt TM26 - Earthquake TM27 - Return TM29 - Psychic TM30 - Shadow Ball TM31 - Brick Break TM32 - Double Team TM39 - Rock Tomb TM42 - Facade TM44 - Rest TM46 - Thief TM47 - Ankle Sweep TM48 - Troll TM52 - Focus Blast TM56 - Fling TM57 - Charge Beam TM68 - Giga Impact TM69 - Rock Polish TM70 - Flash TM71 - Stone Edge TM74 - Gyro Ball TM78 - Smooth Over TM80 - Rock Slide TM86 - Grass Knot TM87 - Swagger TM90 - Substitute TM91 - Flash Cannon TM94 - Rock Smash HM02 - Fly HM04 - Strength Notable Moves Earthquake, Dynamic Punch, Stone Edge, Rock Polish, Substitute, Focus Punch, Shadow Punch Resistances and Weaknesses x2 Resists: x4 Resists: Immunities: Weaknesses: Pros and cons One of the first things that sticks out for Goruggo is that base 124 attack stat. Other than that, Goruggo stats are a little lacking, especially in special attack and speed. It's defences aren't too bad, but they won't be winning awards defensively. So how does Goruggo stack up against attack types? First things first, it is immune to Normal attacks and also Fighting and Electric, two common attacking types on the standard team. It's also resistant to Bug and Rock, two more common attacking types. It's also x4 resistant to Poison, which doesn't see much use due to the lack of SE. This gives Goruggo notable resistances and immunites to Explosion, the new Electric powerhouse moves and Despiration and Stealth Rock. This is where the good news ends though and the bad news start. Goruggo is weak to Water, Ice, Grass, Ghost and Dark. All of those types can be found on the standard team, which hinders the amount of Pokemon Goruggo can switch in on and threaten since it's defences and speed are poor. Most notably, it's weak to Pursuit, meaning Tyranitar, Scizor and friends can come in and scare Goruggo out, though they have to watch out for Dynamic Punch. Goruggo is also prone to Spikes and Toxic Spikes, limiting it's switch in opportunites further. Ability wise, it has 3 options, Iron Fist, Klutz and No Guard. 1) Iron Fist Iron Fist would be all right on a SubPunch for Goruggo, since Goruggo has access to a few punches. It also beefs up the power of Shadow Punch to 108, as well as increase Focus Punch to 180 BP. Unfortunately, it does not get the elemental punches. 2) Klutz No Trick = no go. If Pokemon Gray Tutors bring around Trick for Goruggo, then Klutz may be an option. 3) No Guard Probably the best option for Goruggo, this ensures you get an accurate Dynamic Punch and Stone Edge. A few sets I thought up of. ... SubPunch Goruggo@Leftovers Iron Fist Adamant (+Attk, - Spec Attack) 252 HP / 252 Attk / 4 Spe -Substitute -Focus Punch -Shadow Punch -Stone Edge/Toxic/Protect This set aims to abuse Iron Fisted Focus Punches and dish out some damage towards switch ins. Goruggo has the added bonus of being able to hit Fighting resists with a super effective Shadow Punch. While Goruggo may not be able to produce 101HP Subs, one has to remember it is a ghost type and therefore, Seismic Toss does not affect it. Stone Edge and Toxic are mostly fillers, with Stone Edge hitting flyers, Toxic crippling walls permanently and Protect used for scouting and additional healing. Choice Band Goruggo@Choice Band No Guard Adamant (+Attk, -Spec Attk) 252 HP / 252 Attk / 4 Spe -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Dynamic Punch -Shadow Punch Slapping a Choice Band on Goruggo nets it 571 Attack. Couple that with excellant coverage and you've got a hard hitting Pokemon. Earthquake will serve as your main STAB, with Stone Edge taking care of resistors. Dynamic Punch can be thrown on to hit Dark types super effectively on the switch, and also causes confusion, making Goruggo harder to hit. Shadow Punch may seem a bit redundant and lacking in power, but Goruggo does not offer much outside of the three moves already suggested. Rock Polish Goruggo@Life Orb/Liechi Berry No Guard Adamant (+Attk, - Spec Attk)/Jolly (+Spe, - Spec Attk) 252 Attk / 252 Spe / 4 Def -Rock Polish -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Dynamic Punch/Shadow Punch/Substitute This Goruggo boosts it's speed with Rock Polish and attempts to sweep late game. One of the attractive qualities of Goruggo as a Rock Polisher is that it is immune to Thunderwave thanks to it's Ground typing. Earthquake and Stone Edge form the core of your attacking moves. The last move is up to preferance, Dynamic Punch is able to confuse your opponent, making it slightly harder to hit Goruggo. Shadow Punch can be used to hit Gengar though it should only be used with Jolly so you can outrun Scarf versions of Gengar and friends. Substitute should only be used in tandem with Liechi Berry, but it does have the bonus of blocking status. With Adamant, you outrun Scarf Heatran after a boost, but Jolly allows you to outrun Gengar as previously stated. Anti-lead - Suggested by saxking Goruggo@ leftovers/life orb Adamant/Impish 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def No Guard -Dynamic Punch -Earthquake/smooth over -Shadow Punch -Thief/Whatever Goruggo is a great anti-lead. Goruggo can abuse the no-guard dynamic punch combo, and he can do it quite well due to his high attack stat. Goruggo is also immune to fake out, explosion, and dynamic punch. Goruggo is 4x resistant to U-turn, which is found on many leads. Goruggo has considerable bulk and can survive a few hits as well. The only down side is the lack of physical ghost STAB to hit ghost switch ins. But STAB shadow punch coming rom a 124 attack stat is still going to really hurt ghost type switch ins. Dynamic punch and Shadow Punch have perfect coverage as well. For strong STAB, use Earthquake after the other lead is impaired. If you want a lead that functions somewhat like an icy wind lead, use smooth over to break their sash and then kill on the next turn. This may be unnecessary with Dynamic punch. Thief is another support move, but if you use it, you can't use an item. It's essentially a lesser Knock off, but it works well on a lead. Remember that if you are using Thief, make sure that Goruggo does not use an Item. Trick Room Sweeper Suggested by Pokemon. Goruggo@Life Orb Ability: No Guard EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Hp, 4 Def Nature: Brave Moves: Dynamic Punch Earthquake Stone Edge Shadow Punch Make sure to only use this when you have Trick Room support. When coupled with a 0 Speed IV and a Brave nature, Goruggo reaches a sluggish 103 Speed, enough to 'outrun' Rhyperior and friends, and hit them hard with a STAB Earthquake. Earthquake and Shadow Punch serve as your STAB attacks, while Dynamic Punch and Stone Edge are there for coverage. Goruggo@Leftovers No Guard suggest by UltiMario Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def -DynamicPunch -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Toxic/Protect DPunch for confusion hax, Earthquake for powerful STAB, Stone Edge for Coverage, Toxic to help hurt walls a bit, maybe Protect for scouting for attacks... It's just a standard set to throw on him for him to act a good defensive role on the team and hit back hard. Goruguu @Custap Berry suggest by King of Harts Brave (0 speed IV) HP 252 / ATK 252 / SPDEF 4 -DynamicPunch -Earthquake -Stone Edge -Shadow Punch A different lead set to saxking's suggestion. Personal opinion I don't think Goruggo, the more 'offensive' Dusknoir will be taking the metagame by storm, and will probably be relegated to NU, or maybe low UU. It's a shame that it's slow and it's special attack is unusable when it's special movepool is great. It's physical movepool is not great, but's usable and good enough, albeit predictable. It's also weak to some common priority moves (Aqua jet, Ice Shard and Sucker Punch), which hinder sweeping attempts. Enough about what I think though, what do you, as a community think? Discuss. Last edited by TeraGhost; Oct 7th, 2010 at 12:52:18 PM.

Sep 19th, 2010, 3:01:34 PM	#5
Sandstreamer Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 283	It's strange how it gets ALL the good special moves with that useless special attack... However, I really like this guy. I think it's main selling point will be countering certain threats. Sandstorm teams (yeah, I have my nickname for a reason) will greatyl appreciate a Fighting AND sandstorm immunity, so I can see this thing becoming a good friend of Tyranitar. I see it switching into many attack and landing a hit as the opponent switches out. It is not so much built for setting up, imo. That said, I'd go with something like EQ/SE/Hammer Arm/Toxic and No Guard (No Guard Toxic is great). It really lacks some sort of recovery, though. It doesn't even get Drain Punch (which would be great)... EDIT: Btw, does he really get FLY? That'd be kinda interesting, at least on a Iron Fist set. lol __________________ "Nil Nisi Pokemon" (Looks like how to play Pokemon is not the only thing Smogon needs to learn yet.) Last edited by Sandstreamer; Sep 19th, 2010 at 3:14:21 PM.

Sep 19th, 2010, 3:27:03 PM	#7
Upstart Copy Cat Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 414 ROAR!	I love this thing sweet typing and just great appearance. However his stats and movepool are slightly underpar; he will definately find a nitch in lower tiers but who knows he great typing could bring him up. __________________ Check Out my RMT 4th Gen RMT: Sub For Your Life If the enemy thinks of the mountains, attack like the sea; and if he thinks of the sea, attack like the mountains. Member of the UU and RU QC team, VM me for a check

Sep 19th, 2010, 3:40:47 PM	#9
kyu Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 76	I think Rock Polish/Substitute + 3 Attacks will work the best. After one Rock Polish, he can outspeed a neutral-natured, scarfed base 100. __________________ D/P FC: 1676 1012 2099

Sep 19th, 2010, 4:30:38 PM	#11
sax king Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 767 I'm not sick, but I'm not well	Best set Anti lead goruggo@ leftovers/life orb Adamant/Impish 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def No Guard -Dynamic Punch -Earthquake/smooth over -Shadow Punch -Thief/Whatever Goruggo is a great anti-lead. Goruggo can abuse the no-guard dynamic punch combo, and he can do it quite well due to his high attack stat. Goruggo is also immune to fake out, explosion, and dynamic punch. Goruggo is 4x resistant to U-turn, which is found on many leads. Goruggo has considerable bulk and can survive a few hits as well. The only down side is the lack of physical ghost STAB to hit ghost switch ins. But STAB shadow punch coming rom a 124 attack stat is still going to really hurt ghost type switch ins. Dynamic punch and Shadow Punch have perfect coverage as well. For strong STAB, use Earthquake after the other lead is impaired. If you want a lead that functions somewhat like an icy wind lead, use smooth over to break their sash and then kill on the next turn. This may be unnecessary with Dynamic punch. Thief is another support move, but if you use it, you can't use an item. It's essentially a lesser Knock off, but it works well on a lead. @Corruptodile. I was just about to start a thread about Goruggo, but u beat me to it. __________________ The 90's were awesome

Sep 19th, 2010, 2:49:21 PM	#2
Fangren Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 295	Unfortunately, it seems that Thunder Wave affects ground-types now, which kinda sucks...but still, I'm digging this guy as a subpuncher. He also gets Rock Polish, which may help greatly with his sweeping capabilities.

Sep 19th, 2010, 7:23:52 PM	#13
Smith ☆:.｡. o(≧▽≦)o .｡.:☆ Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,344 Denton, Texas, USA	I'm not sure how you can have an anti-lead set on there already. Anti-leads are entirely based on what common leads are ruling the roost, and we have no clue how this will pan out at all. Saying that he is immune to dynamic punch is hardly relevant, Machamp probably isn't going to be a common lead any more. I have the same opinion regarding fake out and explosion, but less so since those are a bit more common. That said, he probably has the best utility as on offensive spin blocker. SubPunch seems perfect. __________________ [20:44] <@DrFidget> Am I the only one who still uses the internet strictly for porn and videogames?

Sep 19th, 2010, 7:52:19 PM	#14
sax king Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 767 I'm not sick, but I'm not well	I guess you're right, we have no way of really knowing that it is an anti-lead. But I feel that this thing will be tough to counter, and it will be able to counter most other leads, even though we don't know the most common leads yet. I think that Machamp leads will rise in popularity, however, because with the aiming mark, nothing can switch into Machamp's Dynamic Punch without getting confused. I still feel that fake out and explosion will be ever present in leads, simply because no matter what they're still great moves. His role as a spin blocker is even less usefull because of the Aiming mark. Although SubPunch with iron fist is great, I think it will be outclassed by Roopushin, who has Iron Fist, STAB, and higher attack. I think Rock Polish +3 moves is the best moveset besides the anti-lead. __________________ The 90's were awesome

Sep 19th, 2010, 8:27:53 PM	#16
M BLADE Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,226 On a fairy tale. Not cool	This poke seems pretty much a copy of Machamp stat wise, but slightly weaker and less bulkier. Of course, the typing is entirely different. This poke has 3 immunities, which is good (too bad it doesn't resist that much, and has a whopping 5 weaknesses). Sub Punch must be it's best set. __________________ M-BLADE: Saying nonsense since 1988. Owner of the best signatures ever. Ditto.

Sep 22nd, 2010, 3:42:04 PM	#18
Bonehimer Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1	It stops being so weird that he learns fly once you consider Goruggo is a homage to Giant Robo, mystery solved. __________________ 1 2 Last edited by Bonehimer; Sep 22nd, 2010 at 4:16:15 PM.

Sep 22nd, 2010, 3:45:47 PM	#19
luminum Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 14	Its pokedex data does say that it can fly around. So yeah, giant flying golem-robot. Sounds pretty sweet.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:06:08 PM	#21
pokemon Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 324	No TR sets for this slow ass guy? I'm disappointed in you guys...loljk Goruggo@Life Orb ABility: No Guard EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Hp, 4 Def Nature: Brave Moves: Dynamic Punch Earthquake Stone Edge Shadow Punch Basic TR set. Lowest speed as possible, No Guard and D-Punch+Stone Edge is absolutely awesome. EQ and Shadow Punch are STABs. __________________ Soul Silver FC: 3395 5843 7688

Sep 25th, 2010, 8:43:56 AM	#23
Aqua-Admin-Marco Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 290 Sootopolis City	Its a great Pokemon,and it has Iorn fist so its definatley going to be a good puncher,but why in the world does it know Fly? __________________ I dont breed for ivs, care about natures, or ev training, I treat my pokemon like friends and companions instead of tools of war.

Sep 25th, 2010, 9:08:17 AM	#24
Calm Pokemaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,352 Chennai, India	Useless move competitively. Note that it gets No Gurad too, so you could use a non punching set as well. Shame it has a bad Spl Atk, or you have a great mixed sweeper. I cant imagine a metal Ghost flying around here and there, something like Robotan I guess

Sep 27th, 2010, 5:54:38 AM	#25
DrLemure Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13 Funkytown	It's awesome that he can Fly, but I'm pissed he doesn't get Selfdestruct. Last edited by DrLemure; Sep 27th, 2010 at 6:12:48 AM.