Adamant max attack Ttar ohko with earthquake anyway..Also DD T-Tar is an amazing counter against Aegislash. Not sure what the exact calcs are, but I've been able to OHKO near full HP Aegislash's with a STAB+1 Crunch.
Adamant max attack Ttar ohko with earthquake anyway..Also DD T-Tar is an amazing counter against Aegislash. Not sure what the exact calcs are, but I've been able to OHKO near full HP Aegislash's with a STAB+1 Crunch.
His defences are sadly not incredible. 60 HP is 10-20 too low to avoid so many easy OHKOs.I honestly think Aegislash will easily be OU this generation. People argue, no he can't because of his low speed, no he can't because he is predictable, but they also fail to look at the positives of this Pokemon, and some of the things that they say is just outright wrong. Aegislash is a pokemon with 60/150/150 defenses, with ghost/steel typing to back this up. Just as a defensive pokemon this is incredible as this is great on stall teams if they are facing another stall team, they will need a spin blocker (honestly you would have to be stupid to put defog on a stall team instead of rapid spin), and he can counter many offensive threats. Lets look at OU from last generation, he can counter Breloom, Celebi, Cloyster, Conkeldurr, Espeon, Jirachi, Jolteon, Kyurem-B, Latias, Latios, Reuniclus, Scizor, Starmie, and Terrakion. This is not including all of the Pokemon that he is able to check. The other thing that people forget is that, even as a defensive pokemon, he still has the ability to revenge kill many sweepers thanks to priority shadow sneak. You need to look at the utility of this pokemon to decide whether or not it is worthwhile. The other problem people are saying with him is that he is very predictable, and this is completely not true. He is one of the few pokemon where it is very viable to have mixed coverage, and the only one to still retain great defenses with those attacking stats. He can use swords dance to go on a priority late game sweep. He can use automize to increase his 60 (not 50) base speed. He can choose to use choice scarf, choice band, or even choice specs to get a surprise kill against things like unsuspecting Gliscors. People also complain how predictable he is, but really prediction works both ways. Instead of using King's Shield to get into defensive stance I may just attack and therefore prevent you from setting up. This is why the 'predictability' argument is invalid, and clearly based off of someone who has never used him. I feel that even without focusing on the incredible offenses of 150/150, he will be OU due to his defenses.
Uh no:Adamant max attack Ttar ohko with earthquake anyway..
Yeah you're right. He is a bit tankier than I'm implying and I didn't do much research i just assumed he ran 252 SpD not HP. I've just been basing it on my garchomp wrecking him on showdown. But I don't think skarmory is a great example since it has recovery and fire/electric are not as common on physical attackers as ground/dark.Uh no:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom): 260-306 (80.24 - 94.44%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Anyways Tyranitar would be using crunch against Aegislash, but even then that would not make him a counter at all, a check if he is choice band, and only if your opponent does not know that he is choice band, but you otherwise can't get to +1 on the first turn, where as Aegislash can kill with either Sacred Sword or Iron Head
And I don't know what planet you are living on if 60/150/150 base defenses aren't incredible, for example skarmory has 65/140/70
And I don't know when everything in OU had earthquake, honestly even if it is in their movepool, they may not choose to use it.
If Houndoom gets used enough in OU because of its Mega Form it will be OU and you couldn't use it in UU even without its megastone, if it were UU and the UU council/senate (whatever is responsible for the UU tier in XY) would decide that Mega-Houndoom is broken in UU they will either ban Houndoom as a whole to BL or just ban the Mega Stone.Forgive me if this has been mentioned earlier in this thread, but is there a possibility that a pokemon and it's mega stone would be in different tiers? For example, say Mega Houndoom is becomes OU, but without the stone, Houndoom remains UU.
Strongly disagree with all of these. COnkeldurr is still fantastic in the current OU meta, hits extremely hard, lasts a long time, and depending on coverage move completely destroys any check, fairies are barely a hit to it, theyre all pathetically weak physically or defensive or get wrecked by existing coverage moves, or the infamous poison jab.Conkeldurr
Forretress (unsure)
Hydreigon
Venusaur
By your logic anything with a weakness is horrible . I wasn't aware in a competitive atmosphere I am going to leave my pokemon in on super-effective attacks.Or blindly switch into them.Aegislash is terrible.. How can anyone think he is worth OU! The most common attacking move in the game - Earthquake - does not make contact (so it isn't affected by King's Shield) and yet pretty much every user of it will OHKO him with it even in defensive stance. Not to mention Special attackers with fire attacks, dark pulse, shadow ball.. I mean come on this pokemon is horrid.
remember also, Breloom also got a HUGE buff this gen for just being Grass type, being immune to all form of spore attacks is awesome.Breloom is practically nowhere to be seen and might end up being a UU. With his nerfs, he might not be BL at all.
sorry but this works completely counter to Breloom only. Really, take a long hard look at the OU tier. Who is using spore/stun spore/sleep powder. Breloom, venusaur, and that's it. Too bad for breloom, the only other mon that uses a move its gained immunity from completely walls and KOs it with sludge bomb. Breloom is now completely stopped cold by mega-venusaur (or just regular venusaur), celebi, and gourgeist. Other new threats liek aegislash, and talonflame perform quite well against breloom too. It lost low sweep on top of all these. Breloom got it the worst this generation, grass/fighting was never a great attacking combo, but breloom could always just spore something giving you a huge advantage, almost making it worht a teamslot everytime. Now, there's 3 full stops to breloom that are going to definitely see usage in OU. Breloom in the face of those pokemon has almost no effect on the game, and loses momentum everytime. It's kinda sad. Breloom is still scary, not every team has that grass type, breloom doesnt always need low sweep, but, it's still pretty bad for it. I mean, just what can breloom now hope to do to damage mega-venusaur, or celebi?remember also, Breloom also got a HUGE buff this gen for just being Grass type, being immune to all form of spore attacks is awesome.
He learns Shadow Claw.I still find aegislash to be overrated. He has godly offensive stats in his offensive stance, but don't forget: stab ghost is only shadow sneak,
I missed that. Ok, that's a semi reliable move, but still a 70 base power. Not exactly some mind blowing power. Firthermore aegislash can't hope to use any choice item for better power or decent speed. Life orb or leftovers. Predictable. you muist be good with king shield. And if opponent is not using contact moves, it's just free spam untill he hits you. Also, does infiltrator bypass king's shield as well?He learns Shadow Claw.
Remember, he has 150 Base Attack, so 70 BP isn't that bad on him. And you could absolutely run a Choice Scarf set. Jolly Choice Scarf Aegislash hits 360 Speed, which makes him faster than any Pokemon under 115 Base with a +Spe nature. Infiltrator does not go through King's Shield I believe.I missed that. Ok, that's a semi reliable move, but still a 70 base power. Not exactly some mind blowing power. Firthermore aegislash can't hope to use any choice item for better power or decent speed. Life orb or leftovers. Predictable. you muist be good with king shield. And if opponent is not using contact moves, it's just free spam untill he hits you. Also, does infiltrator bypass king's shield as well?
He's still faster than most of the metagame. And so what if he loses his ability? 150 Base Attack, yo. Also, starting in Shield Stance means you can swap him in pretty easy.I find him a subpar scarfer: loses his ability, as he always goes into attack stance and has terrible bulk remaining slower than almost every common scarfed mon. Slow bulky monsters are good scarfers (like tyrannitar or heatran), slow frail monsters are not.