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Abomasnow [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Mazz, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. Mazz

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    Thanks Gato! Implemented that check.
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    [Overview]
    <p> As the only viable hail setter in the game, Abomasnow is relatively mediocre in the Ubers metagame. It faces stiff competition from Ferrothorn and Arceus-Grass for the title of bulky Grass-type in Ubers, but the combination of residual damage from hail and Leech Seed can give Abomasnow an edge over its competition. An unfortunate Stealth Rock weakness, seven very common weaknesses, a selfish weather&mdash;Kyurem-W is really the only thing that benefits from it&mdash;and abysmal stats hold Abomasnow back from beinng overly successful in Ubers. However, all isn't bitterly cold for Abomasnow, as its ability to summon permanent hail has its uses. Hail makes Kyurem-W all the more potent, being able to run Blizzard over Ice Beam. Abomasnow can also beat both Groudon and Kyogre (with the help of previous damage) with its exclusive STAB combination. Strangely enough, it also pairs well with both Kyogre and Groudon, forming a solid dual-weather core. Abomasnow sports a decent offensive movepool backed by a passable support movepool, allowing it to compete in such a powerful metagame. Abomasnow and hail are highly underrated, but still awkwardly effective in their own way, and should be considered when teambuilding.</p>
    [SET]
    name: Leech Seed
    move 1: Protect
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
    move 4: Blizzard
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Calm / Sassy
    evs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>With the given EV spread, Abomasnow is capable of going toe-to-toe with Kyogre, avoiding the 2HKO from Choice Specs Water Spout 86% of the time while being able to switch in on Stealth Rock 4 times. Protect enables Abomasnow to stall and scout the opposing team while racking up residual damage from Leech Seed and hail. Besides additional residual damage, Protect also gives Abomasnow the chance to scout opposing Genesect, potentially locking them into U-Turn, Flamethrower, or Iron Head, allowing an appropriate check to be sent out. Leech Seed provides Abomasnow with a means of recovery, keeping it alive for longer in the match. Leech Seed can also act as a deterrent, keeping many frail setup sweepers from staying in for too long. Grass Knot is STAB and allows Abomasnow to 2HKO Kyogre and Groudon, making it easier for other members of the team to bust through the opposition's weather. However, Wood Hammer hits threats such as Kyogre, Manaphy, and Ground Arceus harder, making it an acceptable choice over Grass Knot. If opting for Wood Hammer, run Abomasnow with a Sassy nature, to keeping its Attack as high as possible while maintaining its Special Defense. Blizzard, now 100% accurate due to hail, is also STAB, hitting the multitude of Dragon-, Grass-, and Flying-type Pokemon available to Ubers. Blizzard is also useful for beating lighter Ground-types and other neutral switch-ins, as Grass Knot's base power varies from Pokemon to Pokemon.</p>
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Substitute may be used in conjunction or in place of Protect to help stall out the opposing team for longer and allow Abomasnow to fire off a Blizzard or Grass Knot. However, Abomasnow will be hard-pressed to find room to set up a Substitute in such a fast and powerful metagame. Ice Beam is a perfectly usable option over Blizzard if Abomasnow is going to be played outside of its weather for the most part, as it sports perfect accuracy and higher PP, while still doing similar amounts of damage to threats such as Rayquaza or Shaymin-S. Hidden Power Fire is the only move that prevents Abomasnow from becoming hazard-bait against Ferrothorn and Forretress, as Blizzard scores a 4HKO against Ferrothorn at best while failing to harm Forretress in the slightest. Focus Blast is necessary if it is vital that Abomasnow isuseful to remove Tyranitar, and can be used over its Grass-type STAB.</p>
    <p>Abomasnow must be paired with a Pokemon that has access to Rapid Spin, such as Tentacruel, which has great synergy with Abomasnow, as Stealth Rock steals 25% of Abomasnow's health per switch-in. Tentacruel can also lay Toxic Spikes, increasing the amount of residual damage Abomasnow can score through hail, Leech Seed, and Protect. Because of Abomasnow's innumerate number of weaknesses, it's going to want teammates capable of absorbing those attacking types. Heatran is a solid answer to Steel- and Fire-type attacks directed at Abomasnow and Arceus-Ground and Dialga scoff at Rock-type attacks, while Dialga also resists any stray Bug-, Poison-, and Flying-type attacks that could be found in Ubers. Kyogre and Groudon, despite annulling the hail brought by Abomasnow, make for solid partners, as the tandem of either Abomasnow and Kyogre or Groudon really screws with other weather teams. Abomasnow and Kyogre also share type synergy, with Kyogre resisting Fire-type attacks aimed at Abomasnow and Abomasnow resisting Grass- and Electric-type attacks aimed at Kyogre, making it easier to break through opposing sun teams. Abomasnow and Groudon work much in the same really, sharing some defensive synergy&mdash;Abomasnow resisting Water- and Grass-type attacks, and Groudon resisting Rock-type attacks while making life hell for Kyogre, busting through rain teams. Ferrothorn on its own is a one-Pokemon check to Abomasnow, resisting its Grass-type STAB and taking mediocre damage from Blizzard, fearing only a stray Hidden Power Fire. Pokemon such as Magnezone, Ho-Oh, or Reshiram thus make excellent partners for Abomasnow, as their STAB Fire-type attacks or ability to trap Ferrothorn (in Magnezone's case) make quick work of it. Pokemon that are comfortable stomaching powerful Fire- and Fighting-type attacks, such as Griratina or Latias, make for excellent partners for Abomasnow, as they keep it safe from threats such as Ho-Oh, Terrakion, and Blaziken. Because Genesect is such a pain for Abomasnow, carrying a U-Turn resist, such as Giratina or Dialga, and maintaining entry hazards and hail will help discourage it from staying in a match, keeping Abomasnow safe. Kyurem-W, although notorious for sporting similar weaknesses, likes being paired with Abomasnow, as it lets it forgo Ice Beam for Blizzard, nabbing an extra 25 points in Base Power, becomingwhich makes it even more of a menace.</p>
    [Other Options]
    <p>A mixed set is somewhat viable in Ubers, but too many bulky checks exist and leave Abomasnow hard-pressed to do what it needs to do. A Choice Scarf set may seem plausaible, but in a much stronger metagame than OU Abomasnow finds it difficult to compete with much of the unboosted metagame, let alone OHKO much of it. Choice Specs and Choice Band sets seem worthwhile, but Abomasnow is way too slow to attempt it in such a punishing metagame. In regards to all Choice sets, Abomasnow would also prefer not to be bouncing in and out of a match due to its vulnerability to all hazards, specifically Stealth Rock, as it will find its HP nearing zero relatively quickly.</p>
    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Steel-, Fire-, Fighting-, and Rock-type Pokemon and attacks are what Abomasnow have to look out for the most, as even a stray Hidden Power is capable of dealing serious hurt to Abomasnow. Faster Pokemon that gain STAB on these types and have no worries of switching in on Blizzard or Grass Knot, such as Blaziken, Ferrothorn, Ho-Oh, and Dialga, can immediately threaten Abomasnow with powerful STAB and/or super effective attacks or choose to set up as it flees. Genesect can pretty much stomach anything Abomasnow can throw at it and use U-Turn, Iron Head, Bug Buzz, or Flamethrower to quickly annihilate Abomasnow. Even powerful attacks that attain neutral coverage against Abomasnow, such as Draco Meteor from Kyurem-W, ExtremeSpeed from Arceus, or Psystrike from Mewtwo, will cause some extreme hurt for Abomasnow, and can quickly put it into KO range.</p>


    Comments:
    In your overview, i'd say Role or something instead of title. Bulky grass type in ubers isn't really that much of a title.I get what you were going for but still
    You use all twice in 2 sentences in much the same manner so I cut one.
    When you talk about blizzard you don't say it hits them SE. JS. Also it's better than wood hammer on neutrals because of no recoil.
    Your focus blast sentence was just bad, so I cut out a part in the middle. And when would it be vital for that to happen anyhow? It can't switch in and TTar isn't totally averse to switching in but he doesn't love it either.
    The residual damage from Hail and Leech seed isn't actually increased by Tspikes;Tspikes just adds in its own contribution. The way you write it makes it seem like hail does more if Tspikes are down
    What do you mean by "discourage genesect from staying in a match"?? You mean it won't even want to switch in? Or that it'll die? I guess I buy the first but it sounds a little more like the second.
    One does not deal hurt to, this is kind of bad-sounding.

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    Re. above amcheck: I noticed that you've left this unimplemented for some time. I think a lot of the changes are somewhat unnecessary/wrong/sacrifice some information, so my advice is not to implement the check, or at least to use your judgment. ^^; If you do, you don't need to remove the explanation of residual damage. That said, let's move forward with this...

    Placeholder, will give this a second stamp. :)
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    Posting again is probably not too great considering that's my post and all but I felt I needed to address this.

    The residual damage thing literally states that Toxic Spikes boosts Hail and Leech Seed damage. It doesn't, it just helps it out, by doing more residual damage. Seeing as this is quite literally a false statement, I took it upon myself to fix it by just cutting out Hail and Leech Seed. The remaining sentence is both true and accurate, and it does boost residual damage. If you want to specifically address the combination of all 3/2 factors with Protect being used... it could have been done a tad better (By ME, i meant.) but I still think it's fine.

    As for the rest of my edits:A lot of them are small edits I feel are much better and solve minor issues. If any of them are literally wrong, feel free to tell me about it. I can explain any of them if you'd like to ask, as well.

    Edit: I see you're viewing this now. Seriously, I would really appreciate it if you told me what was wrong with any of that.
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    [gp]2/2~[/gp]

    Not bad at all!
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    Calm down, I was viewing the thread because I was in the process of posting the check above... as you can tell, because of this:

    The Toxic Spikes sentence is clunky but it's kind of minor, and I don't think your solution preserves the integrity of the sentence. I didn't make a fix to it in my edit, but since you've posted about it Pokemazter might choose to reword it now. It's not an attack on you, sorry if you were offended.
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    Sorry, I was trying to sound like i didn't feel like that. (And I knew you weren't like viewing it for some other reason)

    In regards to the sentence, I'm still pretty sure that as constituted it's a lie, but it's not really a major deal.
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    Applied the changes. Thanks Jumpluff!

    And with that, this analysis is done!
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    uploaded, good job

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